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4/12/07 at 9:14pm
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Korean Newswire on Samsung Universal player

The Thlot Plickens

Yeah, I read this elsewhere. yeah Samsung is really doing consumers a favor here...I mean, this ought to make consumer confusion in regards to HD media about as clear as mud. Because the DVD+/DVD- charade certainly is clear to most now.

In my opinion, sometimes too much choice, causes to much confusion. Here's hoping there is a winner in all this very soon.
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4/12/07 at 9:24pm
Clears up confusion for me. Whenever people talk to me about HD formats I'll be able to say "Just get a universal player and don't worry about it. You'll be able to play any disc on the shelf."

Any word on retail price for the Duo HD?
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4/13/07 at 12:06am
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As Marzetta pointed out, then what do you do when the same people come back and ask should they buy the Blu-ray version or the HD DVD version? Just like people still want to know with today's "universal" DVD burners whether they should buy +R or -R blanks. At which point, it all becomes a morass of which one is more compatible with standalone players, etc.

Call me crazy, but I think it's just so much easier to have a single format, just like I can currently tell people, "Go buy the DVD" or even "Go buy the videocassette" and they'd know exactly what I was talking about. Although even then, there's the problem of which edition should they buy -- the standard edition, the special edition, the extreme edition, the ultimate edition, the 25th anniversary edition...
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4/13/07 at 12:49am
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Clears up confusion for me. Whenever people talk to me about HD formats I'll be able to say "Just get a universal player and don't worry about it. You'll be able to play any disc on the shelf."

Any word on retail price for the Duo HD?

Well... having the universal player option gives consumers more power and choice to find cheaper and better product. Only fanboys would like to see their supporting side to win only and none else to succeed.

You can also see what had happened with hidef audio (SACD vs. DVD-A) market. Even if the software part did not make an impression with J6P due to cost involved to have the system to hear the difference, but the universal hardware had won among the enthusiasts community. Now, you can find an universal audio/video player as cheap as about $80 to as high as $3K+.

Same would also happen with HiDef video market but would probably make bigger impact than the audio market. It's easier/cheaper to see the visual difference than hearing the difference with a given audio system. All one needs is HDTV and HiDef format player. However, in order to get universal hardware to succeed, the price has to come down fast to the $199 level and help J6P to start buying HiDef content movies. Anyway, the current LG universal player is very foully marketed at $1200 MSRP. I'd rather own two separate players than getting the over priced universal unit.

All in all, getting more universal player option is good for the consumers once the price comes down. We shall see $80 universal HiDef players at walmart in not so remote future. When this happens, it's a win/win situation for consumers and the HiDef market as a whole.
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4/13/07 at 12:52am
Easy

You'll tell'em to buy the version that's cheapest or available. Contrary to popular belief, consumers don't have a problem with choice. They have a problem with too many choices.

If we're talking about two potential choices it's either/or. That's easy for consumers.

These players will still be expensive, $1000 but 2nd and 3rd generation players ought to do fine. One format would have been keen but you're rarely ever see a new technology that comes out in one format. Everyone you look there is contention.

Laserdisc vs CED
DVD vs DiVX
DVD+r vs DVD-r
DisplayPort vs UDI
Mac vs PC
Beta vs VHS


Competition is natural
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4/13/07 at 1:15am
http://www.samsung.com/PressCenter/P...413_0000338109

Horses Mouth. As official as it gets. This is Blu-ray's "Appomattox" potentially. Samsung is influential.
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4/13/07 at 6:38am
Yeah, right!

Samsung have talked about combo players for almost two years know - it's not like they have been 100% Blu-ray supporters.
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4/13/07 at 6:43am
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Easy

You'll tell'em to buy the version that's cheapest or available. Contrary to popular belief, consumers don't have a problem with choice. They have a problem with too many choices.

If we're talking about two potential choices it's either/or. That's easy for consumers.

The problem is that the two choices are DVD vs. HD, and as long as the HD crowd can't agree about one format, they can't win.

There are only two options: One format wins or all players will be combo players.

As long as there is a mix, neutral studios will have to continue being neutral and that's an extra cost no matter what.
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4/13/07 at 7:48am
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Clears up confusion for me. Whenever people talk to me about HD formats I'll be able to say "Just get a universal player and don't worry about it. You'll be able to play any disc on the shelf."

That might be fine for consumers but retailers really won't be too fond of duplication of items in BD and HD-DVD. It takes up more shelf space than it's often worth. I'm sure they'd prefer a victor.
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4/13/07 at 8:41am
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Well... having the universal player option gives consumers more power and choice to find cheaper and better product. Only fanboys would like to see their supporting side to win only and none else to succeed.

And only fanboys will think that the universal players are our answer for cheaper and better product. Last time I checked the LG combo is running at $1,200. I expect more of the same from this Samsung Universal player.

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You can also see what had happened with hidef audio (SACD vs. DVD-A) market. Even if the software part did not make an impression with J6P due to cost involved to have the system to hear the difference, but the universal hardware had won among the enthusiasts community. Now, you can find an universal audio/video player as cheap as about $80 to as high as $3K+.

The problem here though is that the universal hardware didn't win among the masses,...is this really where we want the high def market going as well? Who cares about the enthusiasts community. If you want a format to be truly successful, it most get past the simple enthusiast community and be embraced by the mass consumer.

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All in all, getting more universal player option is good for the consumers once the price comes down. We shall see $80 universal HiDef players at walmart in not so remote future. When this happens, it's a win/win situation for consumers and the HiDef market as a whole.

Hmm, I see. But I'm afraid there will be a clear winner In my opinion by the time universal hardware comes down to $80. For the high def market sakes, let's hope this is true. Otherwise, you're looking at a niche market in the future--much like SACD DVD-A.
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4/13/07 at 8:53am
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Easy

You'll tell'em to buy the version that's cheapest or available. Contrary to popular belief, consumers don't have a problem with choice. They have a problem with too many choices.[

If we're talking about two potential choices it's either/or. That's easy for consumers.

And that is what I'm saying as well--that consumers have a problem with too many choices. But I think it is important that there are more choices in this high def arena than just either/or. It is more like...

Blu-ray?
HD DVD?
Blu-ray/HD DVD combo players?
Blu-ray/HD DVD THD discs?
(edit: As JLL pointed out even the choice of just sticking with DVD)

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Competition is natural

I don't disagree that competition is natural, but more often than not, having a clear, unified, format is what is best for a market in terms of video/audio--Vinyl records, Audio cassete, VHS, CDs, DVDs,...and hopefully a high def victor, IMO Blu-ray. I don't see what good having HD DVD stick around does, at least in the long term, as I see there prescence in the short term having a nice effect on driving down the price of next gen media on both sides. Outside of the short term though, I just see them causing the consumer confusion. That's my take on it anyways.
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4/13/07 at 10:38am
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Samsung is influential.

Samsung is facing a very uncertain future. As sources in the media have noted, they're between a rock and a hard place. They don't innovate as well as their Japanese neighbors do and they're being squeezed by the increasingly high quality manufacturing of their Chinese neighbors. If they can't invent and they can't produce, there's nothing left. The South Korean government is already worried.

Personally, I'd love for Samsung to go kaput. I've said before that I have no intention of buying any product from that crooked company ever again.
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4/13/07 at 10:53am
Why do you repeat and twist to my post? I think your comments are just a repeat of my statement in bold with twisted facts:

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Well... having the universal player option gives consumers more power and choice to find cheaper and better product. Only fanboys would like to see their supporting side to win only and none else to succeed.

You can also see what had happened with hidef audio (SACD vs. DVD-A) market. Even if the software part did not make an impression with J6P due to cost involved to have the system to hear the difference, but the universal hardware had won among the enthusiasts community. Now, you can find an universal audio/video player as cheap as about $80 to as high as $3K+.

Same would also happen with HiDef video market but would probably make bigger impact than the audio market. It's easier/cheaper to see the visual difference than hearing the difference with a given audio system. All one needs is HDTV and HiDef format player. However, in order to get universal hardware to succeed, the price has to come down fast to the $199 level and help J6P to start buying HiDef content movies. Anyway, the current LG universal player is very foully marketed at $1200 MSRP. I'd rather own two separate players than getting the over priced universal unit.

All in all, getting more universal player option is good for the consumers once the price comes down. We shall see $80 universal HiDef players at walmart in not so remote future. When this happens, it's a win/win situation for consumers and the HiDef market as a whole.

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And only fanboys will think that the universal players are our answer for cheaper and better product. Last time I checked the LG combo is running at $1,200. I expect more of the same from this Samsung Universal player.

The problem here though is that the universal hardware didn't win among the masses,...is this really where we want the high def market going as well? Who cares about the enthusiasts community. If you want a format to be truly successful, it most get past the simple enthusiast community and be embraced by the mass consumer.

Hmm, I see. But I'm afraid there will be a clear winner In my opinion by the time universal hardware comes down to $80. For the high def market sakes, let's hope this is true. Otherwise, you're looking at a niche market in the future--much like SACD DVD-A.

Just read my post again.
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4/13/07 at 10:59am
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Samsung is facing a very uncertain future. As sources in the media have noted, they're between a rock and a hard place. They don't innovate as well as their Japanese neighbors do and they're being squeezed by the increasingly high quality manufacturing of their Chinese neighbors. If they can't invent and they can't produce, there's nothing left. The South Korean government is already worried.

Personally, I'd love for Samsung to go kaput. I've said before that I have no intention of buying any product from that crooked company ever again.

is this a personal statement or do you have the link to the worrying government? BTW, no innovation in LCD/OLED/LED market? I would think more of display products will be sold than the optical drive products......
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4/13/07 at 12:35pm
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Why do you repeat and twist to my post? I think your comments are just a repeat of my statement in bold with twisted facts:

and you replied:

Just read my post again.

By no means am I trying to twist, but find your two paragraphs in contradiction, as we all well know the universal hardware is more expensive, and yet you claim with universal players we will have cheaper and better product. Perhaps, I'm interpreting your first paragraph incorrectly. Are you stating that with universal players in the mix, this will cause players of all types to go down? Is that what you mean? Please clarify.

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4/13/07 at 2:15pm
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By no means am I trying to twist, but find your two paragraphs in contradiction, as we all well know the universal hardware is more expensive, and yet you claim with universal players we will have cheaper and better product. Perhaps, I'm interpreting your first paragraph incorrectly. Are you stating that with universal players in the mix, this will cause players of all types to go down? Is that what you mean? Please clarify.

Thanks.

By no means, the universal players at this time are priced outrageously. However, it's only the beginning of HD movie market and within few years the price has no where to go but down. Don't forget that it took about good 3 years for J6P to get involved in DVD market and where the hardware price was hitting right around $199. So, in next two more years we would definitely see hardware prices hitting $199 and below. The HD-DVD hardware is already hitting the street price at $299, so the price drop will occur sooner than how DVD market succeeded.

As for the universal audio players, these models did start at a lot higher prices because the consumers buying these universal players were audio enthusiasts at the time. There are still many/most consumers today who has no idea what SACD/DVD-A is...... Therefore, most hardwares were high end equipments to start off, but they always had cheaper models right around $200 to $300 made by Samsung, pioneer, and etc. I did pay almost $1k for Denon 2900 being audio enthusiast, but I also still have a cheaper universal player that I payed about $150. The bottom line is that once the market matures a little, the price will come down by the time J6P is ready or are the J6P ready because the price had come down? However the case maybe, by the time J6P finds one of these universal HiDef players at walmart, the price will be around $199 and below within next two years.
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4/13/07 at 3:45pm
Some of you Blu-ray make no sense.

Samsung goes neutral and suddenly price becomes an issue?

Panasonic BD Player $1099

Sony BD Player $750

Hell you're already paying a mint for obsolete BD players you may as well get full HD movie support for a couple hundred more.

I see price is only an issue when HD DVD is involved.
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4/13/07 at 4:27pm
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is this a personal statement or do you have the link to the worrying government? BTW, no innovation in LCD/OLED/LED market? I would think more of display products will be sold than the optical drive products......

If you ever bothered to read any newspapers in the past few months, you would have known that, but no, you just want to be combative. And just where is their LCD innovation? LED backlights, big whoop -- like that took a genius to figure out. They're manufacturers, not researchers. They take what others develop and apply it. No originality. For that matter, where's the innovative OLED market? We've been hearing about how great OLEDs are for how long now? Where is it? Why isn't it on any laptops? If they're so innovative in the LED market, why are the best LEDs made by Nichia, Luxeon and Cree? It's pretty obvious that you just see somebody upscaling things and immediately think "Oh, they're innovating." Where were they in the development of either HD disk format? Oh, that's right, it was the Japanese. For that matter, where were they in the development of DVDs? Where is their innovation in hard drives, where Western Digital, Seagate, and Hitachi still make the fastest, highest capacity drives?
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4/13/07 at 4:43pm
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If you ever bothered to read any newspapers in the past few months, you would have known that, but no, you just want to be combative. And just where is their LCD innovation? LED backlights, big whoop -- like that took a genius to figure out. They're manufacturers, not researchers. They take what others develop and apply it. No originality. For that matter, where's the innovative OLED market? We've been hearing about how great OLEDs are for how long now? Where is it? Why isn't it on any laptops? If they're so innovative in the LED market, why are the best LEDs made by Nichia, Luxeon and Cree? It's pretty obvious that you just see somebody upscaling things and immediately think "Oh, they're innovating." Where were they in the development of either HD disk format? Oh, that's right, it was the Japanese. For that matter, where were they in the development of DVDs? Where is their innovation in hard drives, where Western Digital, Seagate, and Hitachi still make the fastest, highest capacity drives?


hmm... sounds like you have a lot of issues..... talk about being combative....
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4/13/07 at 8:29pm
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Some of you Blu-ray make no sense.

Samsung goes neutral and suddenly price becomes an issue?

Says who? Marzetta just said that combo players are less likely to get cheaper than single format players.
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4/14/07 at 9:11am
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Some of you Blu-ray make no sense.

Samsung goes neutral and suddenly price becomes an issue?

Panasonic BD Player $1099

Sony BD Player $750

Hell you're already paying a mint for obsolete BD players you may as well get full HD movie support for a couple hundred more.

I see price is only an issue when HD DVD is involved.

The reason universals will fail though isn't due to price..it's because there is no way you'll see two competing formats from the studios. One will win. You're not going to see them support both in the long term. Oh, and those prices you have are deceptive. Blu-Ray players are as low as $499 now .

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...bluraycom0b-20
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4/14/07 at 10:05am
It's entirely possible that universal players become the norm and each studio picks its format. Say Universal remains HDDVD exclusive and all the others remain or go Blu-ray. In that case we'd have the same number of discs on shelves. Retailers would have one disc type for each movie and each studio will be supporting only one format in the long term.

Granted, this is not the most likely of scenarios but it's not that unlikely either.
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4/14/07 at 10:49am


I have a question for an expert: Is it possible to copy an HD-DVD movie and then convert it to Blu-Ray format, and burn it to a Blu-Ray disc? That would seem to solve the two format problem.

Another idea may be to copy any movie disc to the computer and use AppleTV to watch the movie. Apple could capitalize on the two format issue and sell more AppleTVs in the process.

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4/14/07 at 11:29am
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I have a question for an expert: Is it possible to copy an HD-DVD movie and then convert it to Blu-Ray format, and burn it to a Blu-Ray disc? That would seem to solve the two format problem.

Another idea may be to copy any movie disc to the computer and use AppleTV to watch the movie. Apple could capitalize on the two format issue and sell more AppleTVs in the process.


Well... you can download DVDFabHDDescripter for free and rip BD and HD movies. So, once you get a software tool to author into HD or BD movie.... anything is possible, even via AppleTV or a Mac/PC.
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4/14/07 at 11:35am
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The reason universals will fail though isn't due to price..it's because there is no way you'll see two competing formats from the studios. One will win. You're not going to see them support both in the long term. Oh, and those prices you have are deceptive. Blu-Ray players are as low as $499 now .

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...bluraycom0b-20

Samsung BD-P1000 is a discontinued product model being replaced by BD-P1200. I'm sure you can find discontinued HD-DVD players for even at $199 with 5 free HD-DVD movies.

The cheapest current BD player still remains to be 60GB PS3 at $599.
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4/14/07 at 11:47am
So with the discontinuation of the 20gb PS3, I guess the entry price of Blu-ray has actually gone up. Although I think we should count discontinued models until you can only get them used.
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4/14/07 at 12:00pm
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So with the discontinuation of the 20gb PS3, I guess the entry price of Blu-ray has actually gone up. Although I think we should count discontinued models until you can only get them used.

Sony announced a planning of cheaper BD player around $600 by end of this year along with BDP-S300 ($999) and BDP-S500 ($999+). So, if you can wait, it will get cheaper and hopefully priced lower than 60GB PS3 price.
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4/15/07 at 2:23am
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The reason universals will fail though isn't due to price..it's because there is no way you'll see two competing formats from the studios. One will win. You're not going to see them support both in the long term. Oh, and those prices you have are deceptive. Blu-Ray players are as low as $499 now .

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...bluraycom0b-20

erm... but arnt there already studios that have put out the same film on both formats... or is the inside of my head making that up?
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4/15/07 at 3:07am
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Sony announced a planning of cheaper BD player around $600 by end of this year along with BDP-S300 ($999) and BDP-S500 ($999+). So, if you can wait, it will get cheaper and hopefully priced lower than 60GB PS3 price.

The BDP-S300 will be $599 - not $999 - and released in July.
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4/15/07 at 3:09am
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erm... but arnt there already studios that have put out the same film on both formats... or is the inside of my head making that up?

I don't think they'll want to continue that way in the long run. It's an extra cost and many shops won't carry two versions of the same movie.
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4/15/07 at 10:59am
Woooosh. Did you hear that? That's HD DVD accelerating past Blu-ray.



I LOVE this battle! It's like watching a sports game complete with the ups and downs and tense moments.
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4/15/07 at 11:00am
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erm... but arnt there already studios that have put out the same film on both formats... or is the inside of my head making that up?

I don't mean to be an ass here, but try thinking that through. They are supporting both formats NOW, but to continue doing so in the long term (as JLL said) would be dumb. I bet that some studios used Beta and VHS too. There will be only one dominant format, as history shows us. Sure, other formats exist, but at the consumer and prosumer level, one format wins. The reason is nothing other than money.
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4/15/07 at 11:16am
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I don't mean to be an ass here, but try thinking that through. They are supporting both formats NOW, but to continue doing so in the long term (as JLL said) would be dumb. I bet that some studios used Beta and VHS too. There will be only one dominant format, as history shows us. Sure, other formats exist, but at the consumer and prosumer level, one format wins. The reason is nothing other than money.

well you were speaking in absolute terms "there is no way you'll see two competing formats from the studios. however, i was pointing out that there ARE already companies with the same film out on different formats. which runs contrary to your absolute statment.

i whole heartedly agree that,as it stands the higher price of universal players is not that appealing, as has been pointed out a few times on this thread, one would e better served buying two players for the same money.

but once the universal players drop in price to something approaching current HD-DVD or BD players, then its very likely they will catch on... IF the format war hasent been settled by then
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4/15/07 at 1:02pm
Let's be fair. Two sentences later in the same post he qualified that absolute statement.

"You're not going to see them support both in the long term."
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4/15/07 at 4:59pm
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well you were speaking in absolute terms "there is no way you'll see two competing formats from the studios. however, i was pointing out that there ARE already companies with the same film out on different formats. which runs contrary to your absolute statment.

i whole heartedly agree that,as it stands the higher price of universal players is not that appealing, as has been pointed out a few times on this thread, one would e better served buying two players for the same money.

but once the universal players drop in price to something approaching current HD-DVD or BD players, then its very likely they will catch on... IF the format war hasent been settled by then

As Guartho points out above,, you took my statement completely out of context. It's clear to anyone what I meant...anyone that can and comprehend.
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4/15/07 at 5:42pm
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Woooosh. Did you hear that? That's HD DVD accelerating past Blu-ray.



I LOVE this battle! It's like watching a sports game complete with the ups and downs and tense moments.


You forgot to mention that HD-DVD version of Planet Earth ($69) series out ranked Casino Royale (BD-DVD) at it's peak ranking.... PE now ranks #5 and I believe Casino Royale peaked at #6. BTW, the BD version of Planet Earth is ranked at #23 and both versions of PE are scheduled for April 24th release.
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4/16/07 at 9:05am
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Woooosh. Did you hear that? That's HD DVD accelerating past Blu-ray.



I LOVE this battle! It's like watching a sports game complete with the ups and downs and tense moments.

Nope, I didn't hear that...but I did hear this concerning the very abrupt sales spike in HD DVD in terms of SALES RANK on Amazon...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=818991

April 15th, an organized HD DVD buying day planned for a month now...hmm, the desperation of HD DVD zealots knows now bounds. Look for rankings to stabilize...probably sometime this week to our normal weekly day in and day out Blu-ray domination.

And it's nice to see bitemymac try and make the comparison between Planet Earth and Casino Royale based on one day of rankings. Hahahaha. Are we to assume that PE is outselling Casino Royale in the number of copies?....I'm sure you'd like for people to think so...Hahahahaa. Classic. LOL.

So lets be honest gentlemen, did you guys know fully well about the organized purchase day for HD DVD? Or were you simply going to keep that on the DL and try and pull the wool over everyone's eyes here? We give you overall, independent, Nielsen Videoscan sales numbers, coupled with sales rankings from Amazon and DVD Empire over 4 months, and you return to us with Sales rankings from just Amazon right after an organized purchase day for HD DVD discs in an attempt to obviously skew individuals perspective on who is really winning this format war...nice. Interesting that you don't see a corresponding spike over at DVD Empire either...

http://www.dvdempire.com/Content/Fea...99365595302098

Hmm, did you hear that? Quite telling of your graph. Keep trying though.
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4/16/07 at 10:09am
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And it's nice to see bitemymac try and make the comparison between Planet Earth and Casino Royale based on one day of rankings. Hahahaha. Are we to assume that PE is outselling Casino Royale in the number of copies?....I'm sure you'd like for people to think so...Hahahahaa. Classic. LOL.

Well... BD version of Casino Royale ranked #6 briefly, and didn't even last half a day. However, HD-DVD version Planet Earth sat at #5 rank the whole Sunday and today and peaked to #4 last night. So... yes, HD-DVD version of PE is out pacing CR BD version on amazon sales. Actually, if you look up the best selling DVD list on amazon, PE (SD-DVD version) is ranked #1 and if it keeps up, I'd say PE may outsell CR. CR may appeal to kids with PS3's, but PE has more of an appeal for all ages.... if you can appreciate the nature. I had to support my HD-DVD fanatic brothers....so I ordered PE in HD-DVD to celebrate HD-DVD's 1 year anniversary myself.
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4/16/07 at 10:10am
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Nope, I didn't hear that...but I did hear this concerning the very abrupt sales spike in HD DVD in terms of SALES RANK on Amazon...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=818991

April 15th, an organized HD DVD buying day planned for a month now...hmm, the desperation of HD DVD zealots knows now bounds. Look for rankings to stabilize...probably sometime this week to our normal weekly day in and day out Blu-ray domination.

And it's nice to see bitemymac try and make the comparison between Planet Earth and Casino Royale based on one day of rankings. Hahahaha. Are we to assume that PE is outselling Casino Royale in the number of copies?....I'm sure you'd like for people to think so...Hahahahaa. Classic. LOL.

So lets be honest gentlemen, did you guys know fully well about the organized purchase day for HD DVD? Or were you simply going to keep that on the DL and try and pull the wool over everyone's eyes here? We give you overall, independent, Nielsen Videoscan sales numbers, coupled with sales rankings from Amazon and DVD Empire over 4 months, and you return to us with Sales rankings from just Amazon right after an organized purchase day for HD DVD discs in an attempt to obviously skew individuals perspective on who is really winning this format war...nice. Interesting that you don't see a corresponding spike over at DVD Empire either...

http://www.dvdempire.com/Content/Fea...99365595302098

Hmm, did you hear that? Quite telling of your graph. Keep trying though.




Whoosh! That's HD-DVD getting flushed by Blu-Ray.

I wouldn't have caught that. An organized buying day. If that doesn't speall Zealot, I don't know what does. It's desperate. They know it's almost over.
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4/16/07 at 10:18am
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Whoosh! That's HD-DVD getting flushed by Blu-Ray.

I wouldn't have caught that. An organized buying day. If that doesn't speall Zealot, I don't know what does. It's desperate. They know it's almost over.


LOL.... it spells strong support for the HD-DVD Zealots....... and this is the reason that it won't go away. Where's the support from BD zealots?... don't you know it's desparate times for both hidef format against SD-DVD?
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