Originally Posted by emig647
Yes they are, and a big chunk (1/3) are choosing the other side.
No my friend. That would be the smaller chunk. And it's even smaller outside the U.S.
This is the first time in history where the competing medias are actually the same physical shape. Just as DVD+R and DVD-R started working in the same burners / players, hd-dvd and blu-ray are starting to do the same. Yes the dual format players are a very small part of the market RIGHT NOW. They just came out and started selling... give it time. 2008 will be different as far as that goes. At least cheaper and more options. The difference here is the players actually DO EXIST. Dual format players didn't exist for competing formats (unless you count VHS and DVD which weren't meant to compete). I feel the argument "this has never happened before" argument is completely an invalid point. If people thought inside the box like that all the time, technology would be at a very sore spot today. And again, this is really the first time you can have a dual format player... they ACTUALLY DO EXIST
And,...do you assume that the industry involved are going to invest $$$ in educating the public outside the box of buy a movie play a movie for the HVM? Or do you think they'll get it when they have HD DVD players, Blu-ray players, and Dual-format players all on the shelves? Not likely. The point is invalid to possibly people like you and me who have a knowledge of the competing formats and the different types of players, but to the average joe, it is most certainly valid.
Another reason dual-format players are so far in between, is because they are very expensive... just like the stand alone players. I don't get why stand alone players are so much more than the ps3 (blu-ray side). I've heard all the excuses, but I don't think Sony is still taking hits on these players when you can buy dual format readers from LG for a computer for 299.
Darn those companies for wanting to make a ROI on new technology and not simply fire sale it off to the public! Remember, most companies are in this to make money, in addition to winning the format war. Also, the retail chains are in it to make money, and they certainly aren't making much if anything at all on fire sale hardware sold at below cost.
This brings me to my next point, The price on dual format readers for the computer is dropping in price like mad. Just like DVD readers did... they started in the 600s and quickly dropped into the low hundreds... within a few years time. I don't think this is a Beta-max vs VHS war... I feel this is a DVD+R vs DVD-R war. My biggest complaint is a I can't burn hd-dvds.
So you are saying that we ought to look at this format war within the HVM with IT goggles? I'd love to, but the average consumer certainly won't.
It's not about winning weeks in sales... it's about selling a lot of media. Last week Dreamworks (owned by Paramount), had the top selling HD media... Shrek 3. They have a market cornered... and can sell a ton of hd-dvd since they exclusive.
Last time I checked more unit sales = more sold media. Call me crazy on this one. They have a market that has been losing handily cornered, yes. Is that smart? Not necessarily.
Warners HD transfers have been mostly crap. If you go through all the ratings in hidefdigest for Warner, you will see a lot of the reviews get a quality rating of slightly above dvd, and in same cases WORSE than dvd. I would say they have the transferring technique down to go between both formats, but their quality sucks. They do have SOME good movies though.
Ask yourself this...why IYO, does Warner lack in the quality department? It wouldn't have anything to do with having to lower bitrates in order to fit the movie on a HD DVD disc, would it? Or excluse losless audio due to disc space limitations? What I find interesting is that when you quantify all the ratings from HighDefDigest, Home Theatre Forum, HTS, UD, Talk, and others, here is what you get. And notice how those movies from studios utilizing Blu-ray are at the top...look who's on the bottom...yup HD DVD studios.
4.18 \t 4.36 \t4.27\tBuena Vista
3.99 \t 4.16 \t4.08\tSony
3.81 \t 4.08 \t3.95\tFox
4.01 \t 3.84 \t3.93\tParamount
3.96 \t 3.66 \t3.81\tWarner
3.63 \t 3.80 \t3.72\tLions Gate
3.80 \t 3.63 \t3.71\tWeinstein
3.71 \t 3.63 \t3.67\tUniversal
Can you supply a url with them stating they are going to make an exclusive decision after the 4th quarter?
From Ron Sanders...http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/sh...ld_For_Now/965
"Were talking to both sides and its crazy right now," said Sanders. "We remain committed to both for the time being. Well see how the fourth quarter plays out..."
and then this quote from...http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/1123
A Warner Home Video exec says the studio is re-evaluating its dual-format support, and appeared to suggest that it was leaning towards Blu-ray.
As first reported by Home Media Magazine, the studio's statements came at yesterday's Blu-ray Festival press event in Los Angeles, where Warner VP Dan Silverberg represented the only major dual-format studio, following Paramount's move to HD DVD exclusivity this past August.
According to Silverberg, however, that may not be for long.
"One thing that may be changing is our strategy," he said. "When both formats launched and hardware prices were high, we made a decision to support both formats and let the consumer decide. But now that hardware pricing is affordable for both Blu-ray and HD DVD, it appears consumers no longer want to decide so the notion of staying in two formats for the duration is something we are re-evaluating now that we are in the fourth quarter."
Silverberg went on to emphasize the Warner's strong Blu-ray sales, noting that the studio's Blu-ray release of '300' is the format's top selling disc. "We can definitely talk Blu-ray," said Silverberg. "We are committed to the format."