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Originally Posted by bitemymac View Post

If your assumptions are correct about poor people buying cheap HD-DVD players, then I would guess they would all be heavily involved with netflix HD-DVD rental service just like most PS3 owners using BD features would do.

Most J6P would not even own HDTV, so most HD-DVD player buyers would not be J6P at all even for those purchasing $98 players.

Anyway, if you call people buying $98 HD-DVD player being too poor to purchase HDM's, when what do you call those who can't even afford $98 HD-DVD players..... Blu-Ray fanboy?

I really can't understand this need to jump on someone and call them a fanboy (no matter which direction it goes) calling someone a fanboy is just a quick way of letting the world know you can't originate a valid argument.

Between the lines of these two post though is the "evidence" that it is STILL an early adopter market, DESPITE the cheaper prices. do you have a second HD-DVD player?
are these cheap players going into a second location in an already pro HD-DVD household? or are they genuine first time HD-DVD owners?
or, indeed, are they going into homes that are now format neutral?
there is no break down of this information. the market segment of HDM is small and it is not as simple as "you ONLY buy BD/you ONLY buy HD-DVD" as you yourself should well know what price for you to put a BD drive in your HTPC?
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Amazon now has the Samsung Blu-Ray/HD DVD combo player up for pre-order, with an estimated release date of Jan 15. They've got it at $799.99, which is $200 lower than the list price. When that player hits $499, it'll be my ticket to format-neutrality.

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I guess I should just tell YOU to chill, you don't seem to like it when what you say is WRONG, and it's proved to you.

It's the way you go about correcting me that you could ease up on. Like I said, it was an honest mistake and didn't so much matter in the point I was making anyhow. No need to accuse me of spraying FUD and Misinformation from my ass; a simple "those figures are just for North America, not the globe" would do just fine. You act as though I was comparing HD DVD's global figures to PS3's North American figures and claiming they were global, when in fact ALL of the figures were strictly North American when I mistakingly thought they were ALL global. Funny how you only corrected me on the PS3 figures though, and not the HD DVD figures
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... If anything, Star Wars will most likely be on Blu-ray exclusively...but not for a loooooong time. Most likely, years from Blu-ray winning the format war.

I'm sick of this freaking dumb-ass format war. Its ridiculous. And now its stopping me from enjoying my weekly fix of Boba Fett in glorious HD.

Question... will a decent dual-format player put an end to this crap? I would love a blu-ray / HD-DVD player from a solid manufacturer like Onkyo that costs less than $350. Any chances of that in the next 6 months??

Edit: Oh, just saw the above post!!! Go Samsung!!!
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Question... will a decent dual-format player put an end to this crap? I would love a blu-ray / HD-DVD player from a solid manufacturer like Onkyo that costs less than $350. Any chances of that in the next 6 months??

Edit: Oh, just saw the above post!!! Go Samsung!!!

It'll probably be a year and a half before Samsung's combo player can be had for $350; that's the bad news. The good news is, unlike LG's combo player from early '07, Samsung's fully supports both formats' features (or at least the ones Blu-Ray has done so far), and has gotten great reviews as a player.
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Just an interesting note fellas...the numbers that show Blu-ray winning last week,...that was during HD DVD's BOGO promotion...and Blu-ray STILL won 73:27...
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Just an interesting note fellas...the numbers that show Blu-ray winning last week,...that was during HD DVD's BOGO promotion...and Blu-ray STILL won 73:27...

HD DVD didn't have a BOGO promotion.
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Originally Posted by bitemymac View Post

Anyway, if you call people buying $98 HD-DVD player being too poor to purchase HDM's, when what do you call those who can't even afford $98 HD-DVD players..... Blu-Ray fanboy?

Sigh. More namecalling. Why am I not surprised? People who can afford $40,000 SUVs generally don't care too much about gas prices. Anybody who's looking for a $1000 used car (the same ones who would say "I'd much rather buy a $199 HD DVD player than a $399 Blu-ray player") definitely care about gas prices. The concept carries over to discs.
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Amazon now has the Samsung Blu-Ray/HD DVD combo player up for pre-order, with an estimated release date of Jan 15. They've got it at $799.99, which is $200 lower than the list price. When that player hits $499, it'll be my ticket to format-neutrality.


It's the way you go about correcting me that you could ease up on. Like I said, it was an honest mistake and didn't so much matter in the point I was making anyhow. No need to accuse me of spraying FUD and Misinformation from my ass; a simple "those figures are just for North America, not the globe" would do just fine. You act as though I was comparing HD DVD's global figures to PS3's North American figures and claiming they were global, when in fact ALL of the figures were strictly North American when I mistakingly thought they were ALL global. Funny how you only corrected me on the PS3 figures though, and not the HD DVD figures

You come across like Sony killed your dog.

The thing is HD-DVD isn't really selling AT ALL well in the rest of the world so the 750,000 for HD-DVD in the US is pretty close to the WW figures anyway, so yourself.
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I think the US is the only country that has anyone that was actually stupid enough to buy an HD-DVD player. I'm guessing mostly Nascar fans.
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I think the US is the only country that has anyone that was actually stupid enough to buy an HD-DVD player. I'm guessing mostly Nascar fans.

Ahh, more asinine city-boy stereotyping. Way to rise above, there.
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I think the US is the only country that has anyone that was actually stupid enough to buy an HD-DVD player. I'm guessing mostly Nascar fans.


Yeah, I gotta say that this kind of format-snobbery is what made me initially want Blu-ray to die a quick and horrible death. I really just wanted all the tool fan boys to have to eat their words.

Blu-ray and HDDVD are about as different as Coke & Pepsi. Is it really worth being a dick over?
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HD DVD didn't have a BOGO promotion.

http://www.dvdtown.com/messageboard/topic/5120/6/0

...and according to many other forums, HD DVD has tried to match the Blu-ray BOGO's over at Amazon as well.
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did you get the boxset then? (think it was you asking a while back if it was worth getting?)

I'd be sort of keen on getting them, despite not really liking the first two movies, but they are far enough down my "must have" list to not concern me at the moment.

and with xmas round the corner and the glut of films that is usually on, i might pick up an OTA recording to put on the AppleTV instead.

Walter, I rented Spider 3 from Netflix. None of the series is a must-buy for me.
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One factor people may not realize: If J6P HD DVD player buyers are so single-mindedly focused on rock-bottom prices, it may be because they don't have much money to spare. It follows that if they don't have the money for an expensive player, they may not have the money for many disc purchases after their freebies, either.

Or for an HDTV.
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Or for an HDTV.

I think we're crossing that threshold though. A $600 TV can be had at Wal-Mart right now for 12 months same as cash. That's $50 bucks a month and within reach for J6P living paycheck to paycheck.

That TV + a Blu-Ray player is $83 bucks a month. That TV + an HDDVD player is $67-$58. (all not including sales tax)
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Ahh, more asinine city-boy stereotyping. Way to rise above, there.

Wow. I actually found one.

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Yeah, I gotta say that this kind of format-snobbery is what made me initially want Blu-ray to die a quick and horrible death. I really just wanted all the tool fan boys to have to eat their words.

Blu-ray and HDDVD are about as different as Coke & Pepsi. Is it really worth being a dick over?

I swear. Haven't you clowns ever heard a joke before? \
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Wow. I actually found one.



I swear. Haven't you clowns ever heard a joke before? \

Yeah, I thought they took it too far as well...

At least I caught the joke! :P
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Yeah, I thought they took it too far as well...

At least I caught the joke! :P

I thought of it because of something I heard on the radio on my way to work this morning. The DJ's were talking about Nascar saying they don't understand why there isn't a big market of Nascar fans amongst black people, and the DJ's were saying "That's like trying to tell black people they don't understand why they are not big fans of Larry the Cable guy - Or, telling middle aged housewives they don't understand why they aren't listening to gangster rap" It was funny as hell.
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Originally Posted by onlooker View Post

Wow. I actually found one.

I swear. Haven't you clowns ever heard a joke before? \

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think the US is the only country that has anyone that was actually stupid enough to buy an HD-DVD player.


Calling people stupid is not a joke. Some of us made an informed decision based on our budget. HDDVD was attainable, Blu-ray was not. You're a dick. Calling people that called you on it clowns certainly doesn't disprove that.
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Are not ALL early adopters a bit egotistical by definition? I think most of the people who ran out and picked up either format were just dying to brag to their neigbor or fellow early adopter how awesome the pic looks on their TV. And I would be willing to bet that half of them bought their HDTV in or before 2004 and don't even have HDMI, let alone a DVI connection on the back of their TVs!

I say this because i am typically an early adopter, and I bought my TV in 2004, Hitachi 50V500 with a measly DVI connection. But i have managed to hold back on the next gen DVD player purchase because above all, i am a Star Wars fanatic! I will follow George Lucas to the edges of the universe! so... BRING ON STAR WARS ORIGINAL TRILOGY in HD so i can buy it for the 4th time!!! Excuse me while i change my pants...
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Walter, I rented Spider 3 from Netflix. None of the series is a must-buy for me.

Thanks for getting back to me (the threads so all over the place) glad you didn't buy it at least, if you thought it wasn't up to much. Just sat through a TERRIBLE "B" movie that a friend HAD to see... yeek, I'm glad I didn't pay for it.

Nomads... NEVER EVER even give it the time of day. really. its B A D. and not in an 80s way
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I think the US is the only country that has anyone that was actually stupid enough to buy an HD-DVD player. I'm guessing mostly Nascar fans.

Astute observation.

but the nascar thing is over my head, must be a cultural ref.

of course the only thing I know about nascar is that you don't have to turn right*? which seems odd for a "sport"

*or is it left?
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Are not ALL early adopters a bit egotistical by definition? I think most of the people who ran out and picked up either format were just dying to brag to their neigbor or fellow early adopter how awesome the pic looks on their TV. And I would be willing to bet that half of them bought their HDTV in or before 2004 and don't even have HDMI, let alone a DVI connection on the back of their TVs!

I say this because i am typically an early adopter, and I bought my TV in 2004, Hitachi 50V500 with a measly DVI connection. But i have managed to hold back on the next gen DVD player purchase because above all, i am a Star Wars fanatic! I will follow George Lucas to the edges of the universe! so... BRING ON STAR WARS ORIGINAL TRILOGY in HD so i can buy it for the 4th time!!! Excuse me while i change my pants...


ye know the whole "praise be to star wars" thing confuses the hell outta me, I mean I was there in 77' being stunned n all, but why do you need to keep buying the damned films?

they only just fleeced you for the DVD release of the trilogy where Greedo shot first, then did a limited release of the "way it was when i were but a lad/don't rape my childhood memories edition" and it took Lucas about 9 years before he thought DVD was worthy.

how long you think its gonna take till its out on BD? YEARS yet IMO.

Some of the additions like CP3O on the speeder need some serious work to not look like complete ass IMO and that scene isn't the worst either.

I guess I'm looking forward to the FINAL FINAL edition, also a few years to feel like I wasn't ripped on the DVD trilogy

and I don't mind waiting 10 years if they can edit out Hayden Can't-act-inson, maybe put in a plank of wood...
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http://www.dvdtown.com/messageboard/topic/5120/6/0

...and according to many other forums, HD DVD has tried to match the Blu-ray BOGO's over at Amazon as well.

A buy-two-get-one for both HD DVD and Blu-Ray is no a Buy-one-get-one for HD DVD. And I haven't seen or heard of any Buy-One-Get one on Amazon strictly for HD DVD, either.
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I really can't understand this need to jump on someone and call them a fanboy (no matter which direction it goes) calling someone a fanboy is just a quick way of letting the world know you can't originate a valid argument.

Hmm.. what would you call a valid argument?... Did you read what was posted and agree with such ridiculous statement?.....

"Poor people can not afford $20 HDM price after buying a $98 HD-DVD player"

If this isn't a fanboy act/behavior, then perhaps it's act of a troll? Take your pick!

If I had made a similar statement about PS3 owner, I'm sure you will be the first to name me as such.


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Between the lines of these two post though is the "evidence" that it is STILL an early adopter market, DESPITE the cheaper prices. do you have a second HD-DVD player?
are these cheap players going into a second location in an already pro HD-DVD household? or are they genuine first time HD-DVD owners?
or, indeed, are they going into homes that are now format neutral?
there is no break down of this information. the market segment of HDM is small and it is not as simple as "you ONLY buy BD/you ONLY buy HD-DVD" as you yourself should well know what price for you to put a BD drive in your HTPC?

I don't like buying cheap stuff for my main HT, and I did pass up on the $98 HD-DVD player. I wouldn't say cheap, but I need a player with HiDef Audio processing capabilities and analog 5.1 out, but the entry level players do not offer this option. And I already have XA1 & XA2 at two different viewing locations. I would not mind getting a cheaper Blu-Ray player/drive as an alternative HiDef format, though.

If there is a $99 deal on a Blu-Ray player/Drive with profile 1.1 compliance ready hardware this holidays, I would buy one in a heart beat. I'm sure even the alternative HiDef format is worth $100 for the keep sake. I would much prefer a PC drive for the price because I really want to be able to rip all the HDM discs and store them in the HDD. I don't have to worry about optical format at all for viewings and can access entire movie library in every room with a PC.

Anyway, who cares where these $98 HD-DVD players are going. As long as it sells like hot cakes, it will find it's home of new, old, and neutral HDM supporting homes.
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Wow. I actually found one.

I actually couldn't care less about NASCAR, but I do find the whole red-state/blue-state cultural divide (and those who perpetuate it) kind of idiotic.

And typically, isn't the point of a joke to be funny?

More on topic, Rataouille, 2001: ASO, Edward Scissorhands, and Paprika all incoming on Blu-ray. Wewt.
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I think the US is the only country that has anyone that was actually stupid enough to buy an HD-DVD player. I'm guessing mostly Nascar fans.

Blu-ray wakes up in the morning and pisses excellence. HD DVD, if your not first, your last.



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Maybe HD DVD should rename itself the Magic Man? Now you see them...now you don't.
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I actually couldn't care less about NASCAR, but I do find the whole red-state/blue-state cultural divide (and those who perpetuate it) kind of idiotic.

The red state/blue state divide is real, and based on economic forces (red states are poorer, and have a greater difference between rich and poor), I don't see the point in ignoring reality - but it definitely isn't very applicable to the subject. I think that a more valid criticism of the original poster is that he is a snob, and his argument boils down to "Poor people are stupid and have bad taste".
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The red state/blue state divide is real, and based on economic forces (red states are poorer, and have a greater difference between rich and poor), I don't see the point in ignoring reality - but it definitely isn't very applicable to the subject. I think that a more valid criticism of the original poster is that he is a snob, and his argument boils down to "Poor people are stupid and have bad taste".

C'mon guys, it was pretty clear onlooker was joking. Let's give 'em a break.

Speaking of breaks, it seems HD DVD may need a permanent one with the official numbers out now...

Nielsen/VideoScan Numbers ending November 25th

http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/ques...0207/index.php

WE: BD-72% HDD-28% YTD: BD-65% HDD-35% SI: BD-62% HDD-38%

^^^Notice the uptick in favor of Blu-ray in the SI department
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On page 35 of the Nielsen/VideoScan report...

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Honestly, out of all the movies on that list the only one I would like to own would be 300.
I'm waiting for a few of my favorites to move to Blu-Ray like: V for Vendetta, Sin City, Star Wars (Original Trilogy). I'll get the Pirates Trilogy, The 5th Element (obviously), and I'll have to see what's available after that. I know there is a lot of good movies on Blu-Ray, but I don't think that many were actually shot in High-def so I don't see the point in buying a lot of older movies in high-def. Is it going to be much difference with an old movie like CASABLANCA on a Blu-ray disk over upscaling the standard DVD?
What about a newer one shot with better film with somewhat better resolution like Pulp Fiction?
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The prior week was probably one of the best release week of Blu-Ray. Including Rata & Cars being only two weeks ago.

Here is the release list:

HD DVD
Tremors (Universal)
Star Trek: The Original Series - Season One (Paramount)
Led Zeppelin: The Song Remains the Same (Warner)

BD
Badder Santa: The Unrated Version (Buena Vista)
The Santa Clause 3: The Escape Clause (Buena Vista)
Hairspray (New Line)
Die Hard (Fox)
Die Hard 2: Die Harder (Fox)
Die Hard with a Vengence (Fox)
The Die Hard Collection (Fox)
Live Free or Die Hard (Fox)
Pathfinder (Fox)
Rescue Dawn (MGM)
Led Zeppelin: The Song Remains the Same (Warner)


The prior week is less likely to be repeated again, perhaps ever. The remaining future release schedule seems to be pretty much on par for both formats. The pirates will be the last hope or the Blu-Ray world's end and would have to do a lot more B1G1 Blu-Ray deals to come close to 70/30 for rest of the year.

So... is it going to be B1G1 or the $98 HDM player that will fuel the HDM market for the holidays?
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On page 35 of the Nielsen/VideoScan report...

Jesus, they're really milking their best week of releases for all it's worth, aren't they? Where's the fine print that reads "On Thanksgiving week Blu-Ray released ten films — most of them good — while HD DVD had two shitty films and a $200 boxset"? \ This would be akin to Microsoft taking out an full-page ad the week after Halo 3's release which read, "last week 98 out of 100 console games sold were for xBox 360". Rather misleading, even if it is true.
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Also note that they strategically leave out how many game consoles have been sold, as well as the fact that virtually all major retailers in the US have shunned the Venturer.

Ouch. I almost feel sorry for the Blu-Rayers with this post.

Today Walmart's 'Electronic gifts' flyer landed in my mailbox.
On the front cover, there are three products featured.

The second is the Venturer HD-DVD player bundled with two movies. There's a big blue "Exclusive to Walmart" tag, along with the 'Everyday' price listed as $199.97. There are no Blu-Ray machines or discs listed anywhere in the flyer. The Venturer player is then repeated again on Page 2.

So I guess "all major retailers" have not shunned the Venturer!

And if this signals that Walmart has made its choice, the game just got a lot more interesting.
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Ouch. I almost feel sorry for the Blu-Rayers with this post.

Today Walmart's 'Electronic gifts' flyer landed in my mailbox.
On the front cover, there are three products featured.

The second is the Venturer HD-DVD player bundled with two movies. There's a big blue "Exclusive to Walmart" tag, along with the 'Everyday' price listed as $199.97. There are no Blu-Ray machines or discs listed anywhere in the flyer. The Venturer player is then repeated again on Page 2.

So I guess "all major retailers" have not shunned the Venturer!

And if this signals that Walmart has made its choice, the game just got a lot more interesting.

Your reading comprehension needs work. Do you know what "virtually" means? Virtually all≠all. Comprende?

So, the question is, if someone can buy a Toshiba with ten free movies or whatever the current offer is for the same price or as little as half of the price of the Venturer, then what's in it for the consumer or Venturer? I have to wonder how long before Venturer figures it's not worth it to fight Toshiba itself and throws in the towel.
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Your reading comprehension needs work. Do you know what "virtually" means? Virtually all≠all. Comprende?


Virtually all does equal everyone of consequence though, otherwise it's just mostly all.

WalMart is of serious consequence in the format war, especially since J6P will ultimately decide the winner.
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