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It's time for all of us at AI to get back to what we do best: predict what is in store for Apple's future products. So let's start the wild speculation and get Future Hardware started!

As we all know, there have been several rumors about the G5. The speculation has heated up regarding a possible MWSF announcement of PowerMac G5s. Others indicate that the G5 introduction at MWSF is not feasable, and thus we will see the new 7460 G4 aka Apollo. So let's see what could play out.

The 7460 I believe is .13 SOI and seems like it would be more geared to the Powerbook with its low heat dissipation. It should clock at 1-1.333 GHz and I believe it does support DDR RAM. I think that it is more likely that this chip is intended in the next revision of the PBG4 and is merely a back-up plan for the desktops.

The PowerPC 8500 seems to be running at 1.2, 1.4, and 1.6 GHz with a 400 MHz bus and other features like Rapid Transport.

I for one think we will all be surprised. It's Steve's intention to get the G5 out come January, even if this means the systems wont ship till Febuary or March. I honestly feel Steve will surprise us all and unleash the beast.

Here's what should happen for MWSF:

Keynote: The lights are dimmed down and all you see is the faint image of a DJ with a turntable in the back. A hush over the crowd. Music starts. The crowd recognizes the tune as a hip-hop beat, but most of them are wondering what the heck is going on. Is this the right room? A faint Apple logo is in the back and the music continues .....Roll Out.....Roll Out.....the corwd is bouncin! Steve comes out to the music and the lights come on! Finally from the back enters Ludacris and begins to rap to his new single "Roll Out". Steve grabs the mic, and says "We're rollin out the G5!!!" Pandimonium breaks out!! The PowerMac G5 is rolled out onto the stage to a huge applause.
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The G5 would be cool, but I'm still not convinced of a MWSF launch.
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What do you think of my keynote though?
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post #4 of 57
Hopefully the g5 will support the 200MHz bus of the 750fx only double pumped.
post #5 of 57
I will say, for now...

1. G5's
2. LCD iMacs
3. Some new iApp, Probebly related to Photos.
post #6 of 57
Keynote begins with Demo of iPod and all it can do, and how many have been bought, yadda yadda yadda.
10.1.1 is demo'd and released

I believe that the powermac g5 will be demo'd at MWSF.
Noticed i said "demo'd" don't hold your beath kids....it'll be a complete repeat of last years 667mhz and 733mhz models. bakeoff, then...."oh these will be shipping in early feb.


Now MWTokyo....thats the LCD iMac Annoucement. but another tread

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post #7 of 57
G5
iMovie 3
LCD iMac

Lots of demos of already released products.
post #8 of 57
NOPE...

for those of you wishing for both the G5 and the LCD iMac.....ITS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.....

Two major, huge things like that in the same keynote? no way....
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Would like to see the G5s...

When do you think we will see an updated iPod? I am waiting for a 10 gigabyte version...but I would guess that would be a good year away...WAY to soon for MW.
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[quote]Originally posted by TigerWoods99:
<strong>Keynote: The lights are dimmed down and all you see is the faint image of a DJ with a turntable in the back. A hush over the crowd. Music starts. The crowd recognizes the tune as a hip-hop beat, but most of them are wondering what the heck is going on. Is this the right room? A faint Apple logo is in the back and the music continues .....Roll Out.....Roll Out.....the corwd is bouncin! Steve comes out to the music and the lights come on! Finally from the back enters Ludacris and begins to rap to his new single "Roll Out". Steve grabs the mic, and says "We're rollin out the G5!!!" Pandimonium breaks out!! The PowerMac G5 is rolled out onto the stage to a huge applause.</strong><hr></blockquote>

From what I can tell, this is a very interesting idea for a Keynote. However, seeing Steve do a rap is right up there with "Monkeyboy". Just kidding Steve!!

Anyways, I actually see a G5 rollout this MacWorld. Want to know why?? Look at the designs of the current PowerMac models: cleaner, crisper, more well defined. The PowerMac is due, and I think that the G5 is going to be it.

And I think he is going to pull "And one more thing". A G4 iMac. No, I kid you not. I think this is going to happen because he said that he wated for DVD burning to come to the masses. And since iDVD runs only on G4 archetecture, that would have to mean that the iMac gets that speed boost.

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post #11 of 57
My MWSF 2002 prediction:

G5, LCD iMacs: No.
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post #13 of 57
I think Jobs will focus on new iMacs, them poor ones are in need of a major overhaul as bad as the Airbus 300 aircrafts (sigh).

No Final Cut Pro X or iMovie, are they to show up by then there would be alphas/betas at Hotline/Carracho by now. Have yet to see any.

So, new iMacs, speed-bumped G4s (over 1GHz and so on) and something software related.
post #14 of 57
does anyone here think iBook or PowerBook will see anymore of a bump or a change?? while i love the iBook i keep hoping it will come out in another color than white....

i am going to echo though the same things others have said as to what we will see:
* G5 Power Macs announced, but speed bump G4s available shipping today
* a revised iMac (good chance LCD)
* X revison (more than a bug update)
* new app - iPhoto

complete guess: MWT will bring us another "device" and whatever major hardware that does not show at MWSF
post #15 of 57
[quote]Originally posted by macway:
<strong>I think Jobs will focus on new iMacs, them poor ones are in need of a major overhaul as bad as the Airbus 300 aircrafts (sigh).</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'm not sure that's a good comparison. A300 planes are no more in production since the mid-eighties, and european compagnies don't use it anymore.
They need as much an overhaul as the Mac Plus.
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[quote] does anyone here think iBook or PowerBook will see anymore of a bump or a change??<hr></blockquote>

Not at MWSF. I'd say MW Tokyo at the earliest - and that would be when they were unveiled, not necessarily when they'd ship. The 7460 appears to be the processor of choice for the next revision of laptops, and that isn't due until spring.

[quote]while i love the iBook i keep hoping it will come out in another color than white....<hr></blockquote>

Apple appears to be moving away from colors.
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post #17 of 57
snow - the new beige...

anyway, steve has doen the impossible - he has conditioned us NOT to expect too much - a far cry from a mere 6-8 months ago.

my thoughts:
lcd imac... i dunno. they're in a tough spot. they just released speed-bumped models, BUT in old colors/enclosures, which screams that they released them just to have something to show off, but still clear inventory at the same time (hey, does anyone think the snow doesn't look as odd anymore, or is it just me?)

g5... i hope so. it seems like the imac needs to be boosted to g4, as a previous poster mentioned, to bring "dvd creation to the masses." aside from the whole "i" versus "pro" monikers, apple has relied on the chips to separate the model lines. and if they put a g4 in the imacs, i gotta think they'll have to put a g5 in the towers, just to make the line in the sand very clear.

ipod... yes, we will be very sick of ipod when the keynote is done.

10.1.1 and 9.2.2... non-issues. they will be secret releases - steve just doesn't waste his keynote time on 0.0.x releases anymore (did he ever?).

maybe another consumer device? could we see a simple camcorder? just the basics, hideously easy to use. will never fool anyone for commercial quality video, but gives those imacs with dvd-r's in them (fingers crossed) a cheap alternative to making cheezy home videos compared to those pricey models with a thousand buttons from sony (didn't his steve-ness say they were targeting sony with their "digital hub" philosophy?). hey, with apple having entered the "widget" world once more with the ipod, anything is possible.

well, just about two months, and then we'll know.

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post #18 of 57
MWSF 2002:

- Likely a new iMac, G4 processor, speeds up to 733 mhz.
- New Powermac, hopefully G5, but I don't think so.. That's more something for MWNY. Probably new G4's, same case, speeds up to 1.2 ghz.
- iPhoto
- Another 'breaktrough' digital device?
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post #19 of 57
My prediction is that by the time MWT ends, thePowerMacs will use G5s and the iMacs will use G4s. I'm not sure if they'll be updated at MWSF or MWT, but I think they'll both get updated at the same time. If the iMac gets updated first then the low-end consumer models will have the same CPU as the high-end professional models, and if the PowerMacs get updated first then the low-end is two full CPU generations behind high-end. Neither of these scenarios is impossible, but IMHO both would just look bad.

Oh, the iBook will stay with a G3 until the PowerBook can use the G5 (or dual G4s, whichever comes first). But I really don't feel like speculating on when such an update might happen.

As always, this is pure speculation and is subject to being flat out wrong
post #20 of 57
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First half of 2002:

PowerMacs: 1.2, 1.4, 1.6 GHz G5
Powerbook: 1-1.333 GHz Apollo 7460 G4
iMac: G4 (maybe up to 900 MHz)
iBook: IBM's new Sahara G3 700 MHz-1 GHz
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post #21 of 57
New iMac in glossy, silvery white to match the iBook and new AirPort Base Station.

New displays in the glossy white, with the addition of FireWire ports.
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post #22 of 57
If no one has noticed, OS X 10.1.1 is already out. Check you software update

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Quick note [quote] The 7460 I believe is .13 SOI and seems like it would be more geared to the Powerbook with its low heat dissipation. It should clock at 1-1.333 GHz and I believe it does support DDR RAM. <hr></blockquote>

Well, I'd just like to point out here that DDR is completely independant of the CPU. you can take a P4 and stick it in different motherboards which support SDRAM, RDRAM, or DDR. The CPU doesn't care.

I presume Apple designes their own motherboards, so DDR support has nothing to do with Motorola, or which chip type is used.
Support DDR for the 68030!!! :cool:

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post #23 of 57
PowerMac

Processor: 7460 &lt;----Trying not to put too much hope on G5

Speed: 933Mhz, 1Ghz, 1.33Ghz, Dual 933

RAM type / Bus: DDR-RAM, 233Mhz

RAM installed: 128/128/ 256/ 256 &lt;-------Apple, as usual, very cheap on RAM

Optical Drive: Combo / Combo / SuperDrive / SuperDrive

Video : 4X AGP with the same old **** GeForce 2MX across the board (with the GeForce 3 again be option but at lower cost)

Case: Same as QS (New one will be for G5)

Price: Don't want to guess


iMac ---- Definitely will be changed

Processor: New IBM processor (Isn't called Sahara?)

Speed: 600Mhz, 800Mhz, 900Mhz, 1Ghz

RAM type / Bus: SD-RAM / 133 Mhz

RAM installed: 64/128/128/ 128 &lt;------- Again.....Apple, as usual, very cheap on RAM

Optical Drive: CD-ROM / CD-RW/ CD-RW / Combo

Video: ATi Radeon 16MB VRAM

Case: Old case and same CRT for the low end. New case with 14" LCD for the others

Price: 799 / 999 / 1299 / 1499


TiBook
No change

iBook
No change


On the software side......

OSX 10.2
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post #24 of 57
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Leonis, you are the eternal pessimist man! Buck up and get yourself one of those new G5s at MWSF!
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post #25 of 57
My official prediction:

PowerMac G5 1.2, 1.4, 1.6 (why not...I'll leap)

LCD iMac G4

iBook with colors

iPhoto

TiBook DVD/CD-RW Combo Drive


I'll bet on this....but won't hold my breath either.
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post #26 of 57
Steve takes the stage, drinks water.

Much time spent going over the past "really, really great" year. Digital Hub strategy reiterated at length, pausing to admire the iPod, which Apple is "really excited" about, and iTunes 2, which has been a smash hit.

This segues into Mac OS X. 10.2 is announced, and gone over at length. It's available February. It will appear in release form at MWTY, although that's not said. Steve talks about how many apps are appearing, which cues the Death March of the Company Presidents. Adobe demos a bunch of apps, including Photoshop 7, to roars of appreciation. A slew of music apps appear. FCP 2 is announced for OS X, shipping in "spring." The OS X adoption clock is set to 9, not 12.

Steve is "really pleased" with the Apple Stores, and the schedule for the first part of next year is announced, along with some locations.

That leads to what the Stores are selling: Steve brings up the four product grid, and summarizes the current offerings. The notebook sales will be lustrous; the desktop sales will be skimmed over. The new PowerMacs are rolled out; 1GHz 7450s, and G5s at 1.2 and 1.4GHz. The 7450 model is available now. The G5s, in February. Much hay is made of the "GHz," and Jon Rubinstein is not dragged out to explain the "Gigahertz myth."

Bakeoff. Phil Schiller. Photoshop (in OS 9). G5 hands P4 its head. The crowd goes wild.

Oh, and one more thing.

An all-new iMac. G4. Radeon. 15" CRT.
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No Photoshop bake-off. I want SPEC. What is the PC world gonna do about that? You got it, sh!t their pants.
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post #28 of 57
800Mhz (duel optional)/duel 1Ghz/1.3 Ghz "Apollo" G4's {desktop, laptops later (Febuary)} $1,300 ($1,700)/$2,400/$3,000 all combo(CD-RW/DVD-ROM) or Superdrives
LCD iMac's (iBook's) 600Mhz/800Mhz/1Ghz
$600/$900/$1,200 lowest one with just CD-Rom,next with Combo Drive, top with Superdrive
Combo (maybe Superdrive) in Ti books

Photoshop and FCP carbonised OS X 10.1.4 OS 9.3

G5's between March and August (probably late March, early June, mid July or late August)

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post #29 of 57
[quote]Originally posted by TigerWoods99:
<strong>Leonis, you are the eternal pessimist man! Buck up and get yourself one of those new G5s at MWSF! </strong><hr></blockquote>

Well...being an pessimistic a$$ usually makes me feel better when there's no suprise coming out

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post #30 of 57
I too will predict G5s at MWSF. However, I doubt we'll see anything above 1.2/1.4 GHz. The iMac will finally get a case change and a flat-panel screen with a G4 (and Superdrive?) available on the high-end. (Superdrives should be standard on the PowerMacs by Jan.) Finally, I also predict the announcement of an additional iDevice, though I know not what it could be. I still dream my foolish dreams for a settop box though.
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You think the Superdrive will be standard on the low-end? Hmm......somehow I'm not sure but that's good news if it is because I plan on getting a low-end G5.
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The PC world would laugh its head off if we used SPEC to shoot ourselves in the foot.
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G5 and LCD iMac won't be in the same keynote, it's just not going to happen.....
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in january i'm guessing we'll see

1.33ghz G4 ($1600)
2x 1ghz G4 ($2,000)
1.2ghz G5 ($2,200) (512ram, radeon 8500, superdrive)
1.6ghz G5 ($2,500) (1gb ram, nvidia gf 3 ti500, superdrive)

I like the idea off mosr of a July speed bump for the G5's, I'd guess to 2ghz and a case redesign for the quicksilver enclosure.

i dont know enough about the componets of the motherboard(s) to make a guess, but thats the mhz im guessing on.

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[quote]Originally posted by Amorph:
<strong>Steve takes the stage, drinks water.

Much time spent going over the past "really, really great" year. Digital Hub strategy reiterated at length, pausing to admire the iPod, which Apple is "really excited" about, and iTunes 2, which has been a smash hit.

This segues into Mac OS X. 10.2 is announced, and gone over at length. It's available February. It will appear in release form at MWTY, although that's not said. Steve talks about how many apps are appearing, which cues the Death March of the Company Presidents. Adobe demos a bunch of apps, including Photoshop 7, to roars of appreciation. A slew of music apps appear. FCP 2 is announced for OS X, shipping in "spring." The OS X adoption clock is set to 9, not 12.

Steve is "really pleased" with the Apple Stores, and the schedule for the first part of next year is announced, along with some locations.

That leads to what the Stores are selling: Steve brings up the four product grid, and summarizes the current offerings. The notebook sales will be lustrous; the desktop sales will be skimmed over. The new PowerMacs are rolled out; 1GHz 7450s, and G5s at 1.2 and 1.4GHz. The 7450 model is available now. The G5s, in February. Much hay is made of the "GHz," and Jon Rubinstein is not dragged out to explain the "Gigahertz myth."

Bakeoff. Phil Schiller. Photoshop (in OS 9). G5 hands P4 its head. The crowd goes wild.

Oh, and one more thing.

An all-new iMac. G4. Radeon. 15" CRT. </strong><hr></blockquote>


I like that!
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post #36 of 57
The G5 is on the way for sure, but when, let's hope it will soon appear. The 7460 basically have the same design than the 7450 but is based upon 0,13 micron process.
Motorola and AMD work together on the design process. The new athlon is based upon 0,13 micron, why not Motorola ?

The problem of the G5 is that he is based upon a entirely new design far more complicated than the 7450 : is one year sufficiant to make such an improvement ?(remember that the G4 has been stuck at 500 mhz for two years ...) : thats the question.

So dispite other threads i will make only one prediction or too : the GHZ wall will be broken by apple in junuary and the next I mac will have G4 chip. The next Power mac will have an improved RAM technology.
The G3 will be still use for a moment in the I book line.
post #37 of 57
From MWSF this year till today the fastest G4 speed has increased by 133MHz (from 733 to 867), and you are hoping for a G5 at 1.6 GHz all of a sudden? give me a break!

Really, I do trust in Steve and Apple and I really wish for a 1.6 GHz mac in a few months... but I feel it is not going to happen.
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Well percentage wise the jummp from 500 MHz to 733 MHz top speed was 46.6%. this was the case between MWNY 2000 and MWSF 2001. So if we saw a percentage wise increase like that it would 867 to 1271.022, so if we get a big boost 1.2 and 1.4 GHz isnt too unlikely. Plus, Jobs did say we'd begin to close the MHz gap.....when was he planning on it?
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[quote] Mac ---- Definitely will be changed

Processor: New IBM processor (Isn't called Sahara?)

Speed: 600Mhz, 800Mhz, 900Mhz, 1Ghz

RAM type / Bus: SD-RAM / 133 Mhz

RAM installed: 64/128/128/ 128 &lt;------- Again.....Apple, as usual, very cheap on RAM

Optical Drive: CD-ROM / CD-RW/ CD-RW / Combo

Video: ATi Radeon 16MB VRAM

Case: Old case and same CRT for the low end. New case with 14" LCD for the others

Price: 799 / 999 / 1299 / 1499 <hr></blockquote>

Why would there only be 128MB on the 2 top end machines?... those already have 256MB.

Also, unless it was to get rid of remaining stock, I dobut Apple would make 2 different iMac forms. It's either LCD or CRT, not both.
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[quote]Originally posted by TigerWoods99:
<strong>Jobs did say we'd begin to close the MHz gap.....when was he planning on it?</strong><hr></blockquote>

'plan' and 'do' are two totally different story
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