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New Apple product announcements at next week's Macworld Expo in San Francisco could include iTV, a new iPod, and the iPhone, according to a Macworld Rumor Roundup issued by research and investment firm PiperJaffray on Thursday.

"Despite all of the talk regarding new product announcements, or lack thereof, at Macworld, we continue to believe that the announcement of an iPhone would be positive for Apple shares and no sign of this product would be a negative," analyst Gene Munster told clients in the report.

The analyst went on to say that it's his belief that Apple has not missed the boat in the music-enabled handset market. "Apple waited several years to enter the MP3 market, we believe the company is well-positioned to enter the phone market now that early music-enabled handsets have tested the waters," he explained. "Apple will differentiate itself by offering iTunes integration on Macs and PCs, and by leveraging its expertise in software engineering for media playing devices."

Munster also offered his take on several Apple product rumors, including a ranking of certainty and some expected release dates. His analysis on each of the rumors is being published in full for reader appreciation:

Almost Certain (in the next 2-6 months):

1. iPhone entering production phase of 12m units (Certainty rank: 9 out of 10). In Nov-06 two separate reports came from Asian news sources indicating that Taiwanese manufacturer Hon Hai's subsidiary Foxconn had received a 12m unit contract for the iPhone. According to Commercial Time the manufacturer signed the contract with Apple to produce 12m units for a scheduled release in 1H07. Additionally, China Times reported that the manufacturer will produce between 500,000-600,000 units per month starting in early CY07.

2. iTV ($299) release at Macworld with some improvements from September debut (10 out of 10). At a Sep-06 event, Apple introduced the iTV, a wireless media streaming device to view iTunes content on a TV. At the show, the device was simply streaming media (but did not store it locally); we believe Apple could release an improved model with an internal hard disk drive. Downloadable movies average about 1.5GB each on iTunes and one way that Apple can ease capacity restrictions is to add hard drive space to the iTV. We believe Apple will eventually improve on the iTV shown in September, but the improvements may not come until after the initial release.

Likely (in the next 6-12 months):

3. iPhone with candy-bar form factor (9 out of 10). Given the fact that the iPhone will be Apple's first dip into the mobile handset pool, it is likely that the phone will come in a candy-bar form factor. Clamshell devices are often more prone to bugs and glitches, so when Apple releases its first phone, it will probably be a candy-bar style with limited moving parts and simpler software engineering.

4. Widescreen iPod with touch-sensitivity and wireless features (7 out of 10). According to several Apple patents, along with word from component suppliers, Apple is working on a 6th generation widescreen iPod that could feature touch-screen capability. We believe that the new iPod will be a significant improvement to the 5th generation iPod, as the device becomes more video-centric. As such, the iPod line would feature small music-centric and "wearable" players as well as a larger music player with more video-centric features. Eventually, Apple will also likely add wireless syncing technology to the player, but battery drain remains a critical concern before such a feature is added.

5. Second smartphone iPhone model with integrated keyboard (7 out of 10). Indications from component suppliers point to the possibility of a second iPhone model featuring an integrated keyboard. We believe the initial iPhone release will include a single model, but Apple will likely expand the iPhone line to include a smartphone device for instant messaging and emailing at some point.

6. iSight camera, 4GB or 8GB storage on the iPhone (7 out of 10). Recent rumors point to an initial release of two iPhone models: a 4GB version for $249 and an 8GB model for $449. Both models are rumored to feature two separate batteries in the handset, one for the phone and one for the music player. Also, Apple has successfully branded the iSight cameras on the MacBook and MacBook Pro portables and it is likely that they will eventually extend the brand to the iPhone line. With music, photos, and video from iTunes, the iPhone will be a media-rich device and an iSight camera would add to the eco-system of media/communications on the device.

7. Multiple carriers as iPhone providers (vs. Cingular only or MVNO (6 out of 10). We believe Apple will target as broad an audience as possible with the iPhone. Accordingly, the company will likely sell the handset through most or all of the top wireless service providers (Verizon, Sprint, Cingular and T-Mobile in the U.S.). That said it is possible that Cingular could obtain exclusive vending rights for a limited time. Early CY07 could be the ideal time for the release of the iPhone through Cingular. January and February 2007 will include the Macworld keynote on January 9, CES from January 8-11, and key marketing opportunities during the Cingular-sponsored American Idol Premier on January 16 &17 and the Super Bowl on February 4. This may be the "perfect storm" for the release of the iPhone, especially as a Cingular exclusive. An additional option would be for Apple to use a MVNO (Mobile Virtual Network Operator) system. We have not seen any hard evidence that indicates whether Apple will choose to go with an exclusive provider, several providers, or the route of an MVNO (Mobile Virtual Network Operator).

A Stretch (possibly in the next 12-18 months):

8. Ultra-portable 12" MacBook Pro (4 out of 10). With the Intel transition successfully completed, Apple is ready to innovate the product line with the possible addition of an ultra-portable addition to the MacBook family. With the release of the 15" and 17" MacBook Pros, Apple decided not to carry the 12" PowerBook model into the MacBook Pro lineup. If a 12" MacBook Pro is released, we believe the product will address the need for extreme portability; not simply a smaller MacBook Pro. Another possibility is that of a touch-screen tablet Mac. Rather than marketing the tablet computer to business users (like tablet PCs), we believe that a tablet Mac would be targeted at home users desiring to wirelessly control media content. Again, this rumor is 'a stretch' because we have not seen any hard evidence, other than several patent applications, that point to the release of a tablet Mac.

9. Radio-transparent material used for iPhone casing (3 out of 10). Since current iPod casings would serve as poor mobile phone casings, Apple is looking into new casing materials. Specifically, the material must enable radio-waves to penetrate the device's exterior. In a Nov-06 patent application Apple describes a computing device with radio-transparent material like zirconia used as the casing. We see this patent application as evidence that the iPhone is coming, but we hesitate to draw conclusions on the specifics of the device based on such patents.

10. iPhone to feature 'iChat Mobile' video and instant messaging (2 out of 10). Again, we believe that the iPhone will be a media-centric communications device and messaging features would work nicely with such an ecosystem. While it is unlikely that the first iPhone will feature video conferencing, this is certainly a feature the company could add to future models, including a possible smartphone model.

11. OSX 10.5 Leopard release at Macworld (3 out of 10). While Microsoft has delayed the consumer launch of Windows Vista to January 30, 2007, Apple announced plans to release OSX 10.5, Leopard, in "spring 2007." These releases are not necessarily a race to the finish line, but we believe that Apple will work hard to ship Leopard close to the release of Vista.
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PiperJaffray covering their ass. They don't know squat just like everyone else. Wishing is fun, isn't it!

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New Apple product announcements at next week's Macworld Expo in San Francisco could include iTV, a new iPod, and the iPhone...


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no sign of [the iPhone] would be a negative,

Negative? Apple never mentioned anything about a phone. Now, if the iTV wasn't mentioned at all then yes, I could see that as being a negative.
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What about:

1- iWork '07, now free on all Mac pros! Introducing "Options", an easy to use tool that has been thoroughly tested (26,500 person-hours) by forensic accountants.

2- iLife '07: introducing Cover Flow into iPhoto (this is gonna make me really happy ) and simplifying iWeb to a state of the art Homepage builder.

3- a rebranded .mac with a free entry level membership (250MB), making it easier to share your iLife goodies with a community of like minded buddies.


4- a new 20", 24" and 30" Cinema Display with built in speakers!

5- a rebranded iTv (as announced)


6- one more thing: not a phone


Biggest dissapointment (relief?): no phone
Biggest rumour (the day after): phone due in 2 months, ships have been spotted in China!
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So if they dont release the iTV at macworld, since its a 10/10, can I punch him in the balls??
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Unless you're talking about the Cisco product, can you please stop using 'iPhone' for the Apple mobile phone?
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I never siad this before in this way, but here it goes; "Gene Munster is FULL OF SHIT".
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How about a new version of iDVD that doesn't suck? I'll admit I haven't played around with it all that much, but what I did play with bugged me to no end about how little you could actually do. Like providing no size information on buttons, just a slider so unless you copy the button there's no easy way to make 2 buttons the same size (or I missed it somewhere). Or the ability to make bigger changes to the templates than just the drop zones and background music?
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"Apple will work hard to ship Leopard close to the release of Vista."

Apple is in no hurry. They will take their sweet time to get it right. I think the ship date will be sometime in March, maybe April.
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Negative? Apple never mentioned anything about a phone. Now, if the iTV wasn't mentioned at all then yes, I could see that as being a negative.[/QUOTE]

It would be a negative because of the expectation that they will have one.

The stock has gone up when it was said they they would be coming out with one, and the stock dropped just because Cisco intro'd a VOIP phone named "iPhone".

Last year this time, the expectations whas that they would have bew iPods, when it was clear that they did not, the stock dropped.

It's all expectations. It has little to do with what Apple will actually do, just what people expect them to do.

It's Apple's own fault for not speaking on these matters.
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What about:


4- a new 20", 24" and 30" Cinema Display with built in speakers!

No no! Never built-in speakers.
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What about:

1- iWork '07, now free on all Mac pros! Introducing "Options", an easy to use tool that has been thoroughly tested (26,500 person-hours) by forensic accountants.

Select mega-encryption or secure file delete from the pull-down menu
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My predictions: the iPhone will be officially called the "iPod phone". There is no way Verizon carries the "iPhone" unless it becomes so popular that they have to. Verizon likes to make their own money form their own services and have no interest in giving that money to Apple. Nobody will give a crap if the camera on the "iPhone" is called the iSight or not (and of course the phone will have a camera on it!!!). I could certainly see some type of iChat integration, but I'd be surprised if it's advertised as anything more than AIM.

The iTV will officially be called the "iPod TV" or maybe "iTunes TV". The "iTV" will not have a hard drive larger than a few GB, it's just plain cost prohibitive. See a recent thread on the iTV for more detailed predictions from me on this, but it doesn't need a big hard drive when it can pull all your content on-demand directly from the iTunes Store.

I predict we will get some nice demos of the iPhone, iTV and some more insight into Leopard. Only one of the devices will be available immediately and the other at the beginning of February.
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If I was a betting man I'd be putting down a lot of on there being a new iSight announced (so it can link to your iTV)
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No no! Never built-in speakers.

Hahaha, I agree!

Maybe Apple will team up with Harmon Kardon again to produce some elegant speakers... you remember the crystal globes that came with the G4 iMacs? Those were some nice little pieces of work. Needed more bass though... I blew mine out within a month.

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If I was a betting man I'd be putting down a lot of on there being a new iSight announced (so it can link to your iTV)

Well, if the iTV sticks with only having a USB port and the iSight continues to be FireWire, I'd say that is not a good bet. It's a good idea though.
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Oh, and no HDD in TelePort (iTV), at least that amounts to anything more than the UI and/or chache/buffer.

There's absolutely no need and would complicate the equation indefinitely, especially concerning digital rights.

Let's assume Munster is right, though, that there IS a HDD in the TelePort and that it can act as a stand-alone media access point. The question remains, how would you be able to get media onto it? Either 1) it comes with some sort of operating system which allowed you to connect it to the iTS for content, or 2) it could be detected by a Mac or PC as a computer/HD over the network in order to drag-n-drop media.

Option 1, I think, is too far-fetched and risky. There would be substantial reliability issues using HDs that small to run an OS (unless the gossip about OS X LT is true, but we have no evidence of that yet). We've all heard many nightmare-ish stories about people trying to bring their home computer to work, booting via iPod, and within a couple months, the iPod's HDD dies. Not good.

Option 2, if this is the case, you already have a full-sized (i.e. reliable) HDD in your computer, which is connected to the internet, (i.e. iTS) for content. Why would you even need a HD in the TelePort box? Basically, Apple would be spending money on MicroDrives which don't have a reliable life-span and take up valuable space inside the box and for what? So that you can have an identical copy of a 1GB movie on both your Mac and your iTV box? As long as streaming works, there's no need. As long as streaming works, there's no need. As long as streaming works, there's no need!

PLUS, with iTunes DRM, you are limited to the number of copies you can make on devices you own. So an HD in the iTV would eat up one of those copies for any of the media you would choose to load onto it.

I do think, however, it might be likely to allow it to connect to .Mac, and *maybe* YouTube, although streaming from the net is slower than from within an internal network... and on top of that, I don't know many people who store full-length, full-quality movies in their .Mac storage. In fact, I don't know any.

So, that's why I think there will be no HDD in the TelePort.

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Well, if the iTV sticks with only having a USB port and the iSight continues to be FireWire, I'd say that is not a good bet. It's a good idea though.

Sadly, Apple is slowly but surely abandoning FireWire. Too few outside manufacturers use it. You're much more likely to find USB ports in media equipment than FireWire. TiVo has USB, also, I think.

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Silly me, one last prediction, since it's Macworld, I'd expect we will see new or updated Macs. At a minimum, maybe a quad core, dual CPU Mac Pro, but that doesn't seem exciting enough ... I'm not sure what though. Ideally, I'd think they would just have Leopard available on minimally updated machines, but I don't get the impression Leopard is ready to go yet. I'm not sure what that leaves ... major changes to the iMac seem unlikely, and while an update for the mini is past due, nothing significant other than a CPU update seems likely there either. The situation is similar for the MacBook and MBP, not sure what significant changes they could make.

Since I'm having a hard time coming up with a predictable major Mac update, I'd say we should expect a BIG SURPRISE on the Mac front!

Then again, maybe they think the iTV and iPhone are more than enough to emphasize and minor updates to the Mac (with more Leopard preview) is all we'll see.
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I want all that and computer related announcements....it's time for me to get flamed

Why not killing everyone by giving road warriors an 11" mbp and hit the home market real hard with a....mid tower FLAME ON!
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Hah. Mid Tower. Don't even get me started.

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post #21 of 40
jesus, this is just getting silly. im just going to wait and see, LIKE EVERYONE ELSE SHOULD
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... possibly with an IPod doc.

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Unless you're talking about the Cisco product, can you please stop using 'iPhone' for the Apple mobile phone?

yeah im tired of them using that name since cisco took it already and i am just doubting that we'll ever see an apple phone. Its been rumored for years, and never turned up, i dont see it at happening at macworld or any time in the near future. Maybe by the summer, but i would like to see it at macworld.
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What about:

1- iWork '07, now free on all Mac pros! Introducing "Options", an easy to use tool that has been thoroughly tested (26,500 person-hours) by forensic accountants.

What? Give away iWork for free? That ain't going to happen. And even if it did, no one would care. Why? Because Pros have less need for iWork then the consumers out there. Most of them already have page-layout and Office apps. What they should do is put it on the Consumer lines, so they could actually have something useful on the computer when they open it up, besides toys like iMovie and iTunes.

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2- iLife '07: introducing Cover Flow into iPhoto (this is gonna make me really happy ) and simplifying iWeb to a state of the art Homepage builder.

Well, I guess if Apple can improve CoverFlow so it can read from some cache or memory. Everytime i use it in iTunes, it always seems slow to load artwork that hasn't been loaded yet.

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3- a rebranded .mac with a free entry level membership (250MB), making it easier to share your iLife goodies with a community of like minded buddies.

Not going to happen. Apple's not looking to compete with Google or Yahoo or MySpace or any of those other free services for this and that. Because they know people will just take the accounts to use as off-site storage, not as an iLife sharing site. Plus, if you've got a community of 'like minded buddies' (whatever the hell that means), then you're all already mac users. What's the point of giving away free stuff to mac users. Its not like they're switching to windows if they don't have it. (For Apple, High cost, no gain).

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4- a new 20", 24" and 30" Cinema Display with built in speakers!

Won't happen. Why? Because it makes too much sense (although a better idea would be optional attachable speakers, which would meld into the plastics). But again, its something users might want, and Apple can't figure out users might want to change the height of the screen, rotate it, hook up more than one computer or video source to it, etc. Hell, we're talking about a company that still has issues giving users easy-to-access USB/firewire ports on the fronts of their computers because it screws up the look of the thing. Forget functionality, its all about style!

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5- a rebranded iTv (as announced)

Yawn! Are people still talking about this thing. It seems so 2006.

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6- one more thing: not a phone

Agree! I just would love to see the deflation over Apple not releasing something everyone is soooo expecting!

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Biggest dissapointment (relief?): no phone
Biggest rumour (the day after): phone due in 2 months, ships have been spotted in China!


No, biggest rumor: Apple was to ship phone, but was pulled at last minute because it ran so hot it would burn user's ears off (I know, I know, stupid rumor, since when did Apple ever stop shipment on a product because it was defective....)
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No no! Never built-in speakers.

Haha! No need to panic! As a sub 100 I am allowed to write silly things
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So that you can have an identical copy of a 1GB movie on both your Mac and your iTV box? As long as streaming works, there's no need. As long as streaming works, there's no need. As long as streaming works, there's no need!

Well, you first have to get passed the big "IF", as in "If streaming works". Second, the problem is response. Streaming is nice if that's all you want, but you ever try backing up and such while streaming music. It's painfully slow.

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PLUS, with iTunes DRM, you are limited to the number of copies you can make on devices you own. So an HD in the iTV would eat up one of those copies for any of the media you would choose to load onto it.

This isn't a problem. The DRM does not restrict the number of devices, just the number of computers. You can use 20 iPods with one iTunes library, if you want. Its still considered just one authentication. The TV device would be just such an add-on (hard drive or not) and not need this type of thing.

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I do think, however, it might be likely to allow it to connect to .Mac, and *maybe* YouTube, although streaming from the net is slower than from within an internal network... and on top of that, I don't know many people who store full-length, full-quality movies in their .Mac storage. In fact, I don't know any.

So, that's why I think there will be no HDD in the TelePort.

This would be just pointless (WRT your post). You have this device being basically a slingbox or Airport Express type thing, where it just plays what's streamed to it. Then why would IT need to go to .Mac or YouTube? Maybe iTunes or FrontRow would get that capability from your computer, but there's no need from the iTV.
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It's Apple's own fault for not speaking on these matters.

I agree. Apple certainly does not have to give the market all it wants, but someone in the CFO's office should be doing a slightly better job of responding to major market signals (whether options backdating or iPod-phone) and managing market perceptions. Given the that it's a one-man show (or perceived to be such) with that man being famously tight-lipped, it seems to me that the rest of the management team comes thru as a bunch of scaredy-cats.... that does not inspire confidence.

AAPL has become quite a volatile stock of late (I am looking at the last six months), and that is not all for the good (unless you were long AAPL options).

They need a Greenspan-like figure to start to get in front of some of these issues.
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Not going to happen. Apple's not looking to compete with Google or Yahoo or MySpace or any of those other free services for this and that. Because they know people will just take the accounts to use as off-site storage, not as an iLife sharing site. Plus, if you've got a community of 'like minded buddies' (whatever the hell that means), then you're all already mac users. What's the point of giving away free stuff to mac users. Its not like they're switching to windows if they don't have it. (For Apple, High cost, no gain).

Well, it's actually allready there on the official Apple site:
1- Quicktime with all the Movie Trailers. vs MySpace
2- An awe inspiring PRO section with creative professionals introducing their work.
3- .Mac with all your personal stuff like your address book, public Calendar, Homepage, Blogs and pictures from iPhoto. vs MySpace
4- A recently updated Mail program vs Gmail
5- A soon to be released fully functional online iCal vs Google Calendar

The only thing they need to do is to reshuffle the whole thing. You can't get a better way to promote iLife and other great Apple stuff. It's what they do allready with the PRO section! But in a rather clumsy way!


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Forget functionality, its all about style!

Nono! Not style! It's rather gonna be about Sense and Simplicity! Which is why I love Ive so much


Sense and Simplicity < It's a mission statement from Phillips, executed by Apple
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My predictions: the iPhone will be officially called the "iPod phone". There is no way Verizon carries the "iPhone" unless it becomes so popular that they have to. Verizon likes to make their own money form their own services and have no interest in giving that money to Apple. Nobody will give a crap if the camera on the "iPhone" is called the iSight or not (and of course the phone will have a camera on it!!!). I could certainly see some type of iChat integration, but I'd be surprised if it's advertised as anything more than AIM.

The iTV will officially be called the "iPod TV" or maybe "iTunes TV". The "iTV" will not have a hard drive larger than a few GB, it's just plain cost prohibitive. See a recent thread on the iTV for more detailed predictions from me on this, but it doesn't need a big hard drive when it can pull all your content on-demand directly from the iTunes Store.

I predict we will get some nice demos of the iPhone, iTV and some more insight into Leopard. Only one of the devices will be available immediately and the other at the beginning of February.

It can't possibly be the iPhone.

How many people read the news? Raise your hands.
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Hahaha, I agree!

Maybe Apple will team up with Harmon Kardon again to produce some elegant speakers... you remember the crystal globes that came with the G4 iMacs? Those were some nice little pieces of work. Needed more bass though... I blew mine out within a month.

-Clive

I still have those Pro speakers, and the iSub as well.
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mr o, that google dude sits on the apple board, they should just fuse the services with co-branding, that way win users see apple+google or something like: apple online ical by google or something.
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Haha! No need to panic! As a sub 100 I am allowed to write silly things

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Well, it's actually allready there on the official Apple site:
1- Quicktime with all the Movie Trailers. vs MySpace
2- An awe inspiring PRO section with creative professionals introducing their work.
3- .Mac with all your personal stuff like your address book, public Calendar, Homepage, Blogs and pictures from iPhoto. vs MySpace
4- A recently updated Mail program vs Gmail
5- A soon to be released fully functional online iCal vs Google Calendar

Yeah, but its not free. There's nothing there that's going to get Apple to go "Hey, let's make .Mac free so we can get people to post stupid videos of themselves dancing in their bedrooms!". .Mac mail doesn't even come close to comparing to the free stuff that there's nothing there to draw in users (except the .mac name, if you're into that kind of thing).

And then the big question becomes: Where's the profit angle? Are you expecting that somehow a .mac will take over the love affair people have with MySpace and drive more people to the mac?

But the biggest detractor to the thought of a free .Mac is this: No one will believe it. Everyone thought iTools was free forever (whether that be correct or not is immaterial, the impression given was that it was being given away for free, and it would always be that way). Then they pulled the rug out on all their faithful users (and all those windows users who got their itools account as well) and made it a pay service. If apple comes out and says "Hey, and we've got a free version now! No, really! Its free! We promise!", how many are going to trust Apple enough to start making it their new 'myspace'?
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Oh, and no HDD in TelePort (iTV), at least that amounts to anything more than the UI and/or chache/buffer.

There's absolutely no need and would complicate the equation indefinitely, especially concerning digital rights.

Let's assume Munster is right, though, that there IS a HDD in the TelePort and that it can act as a stand-alone media access point. The question remains, how would you be able to get media onto it? Either 1) it comes with some sort of operating system which allowed you to connect it to the iTS for content, or 2) it could be detected by a Mac or PC as a computer/HD over the network in order to drag-n-drop media.

Option 1, I think, is too far-fetched and risky. There would be substantial reliability issues using HDs that small to run an OS (unless the gossip about OS X LT is true, but we have no evidence of that yet). We've all heard many nightmare-ish stories about people trying to bring their home computer to work, booting via iPod, and within a couple months, the iPod's HDD dies. Not good.

Option 2, if this is the case, you already have a full-sized (i.e. reliable) HDD in your computer, which is connected to the internet, (i.e. iTS) for content. Why would you even need a HD in the TelePort box? Basically, Apple would be spending money on MicroDrives which don't have a reliable life-span and take up valuable space inside the box and for what? So that you can have an identical copy of a 1GB movie on both your Mac and your iTV box? As long as streaming works, there's no need. As long as streaming works, there's no need. As long as streaming works, there's no need!

PLUS, with iTunes DRM, you are limited to the number of copies you can make on devices you own. So an HD in the iTV would eat up one of those copies for any of the media you would choose to load onto it.

I do think, however, it might be likely to allow it to connect to .Mac, and *maybe* YouTube, although streaming from the net is slower than from within an internal network... and on top of that, I don't know many people who store full-length, full-quality movies in their .Mac storage. In fact, I don't know any.

So, that's why I think there will be no HDD in the TelePort.

-Clive

Who the hell wants to dump a movie anthology on a separate workstation (XRaid capacity for many DVD fanatics) and then only be able to stream it?

Nothing like having 500 DVDs and then go, "No problem, just buy a RAID drive set up and rip'em to digital storage and then stream it from there!"
post #35 of 40
I don't need an iPhone. I don't need an iPhone. I don't need an iPhone.

Maybe if I keep saying that I'll convince me.
post #36 of 40
Durrrr it's gonna be a headless iMac
post #37 of 40
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Originally Posted by livatlantis View Post

I don't need an iPhone. I don't need an iPhone. I don't need an iPhone.

Maybe if I keep saying that I'll convince me.

Have you been following this?

Stop saying iPhone already. That's done. Apple will produce no "iPhone".
post #38 of 40
lol True, but that's the last thing echoing in my head before Mr. Jobs' RDF took over me
post #39 of 40
This even made it on NPR's Morning Edition, this morning. Awaiting Apple's Next Big Thing
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This even made it on NPR's Morning Edition, this morning. Awaiting Apple's Next Big Thing

Sigh!

Yes, but the point is that with all of the splash in the newspapers, on television, and Apple's well publicised stock drop because of it, **CISCO'S** use of the name "iPhone" precludes Apple's using it.

Doesn't anyone ever do anything other than to read a couple of posts on the occasional forum?

At least scan through all of the posts quickly before posting something that has already been beaten to death.

I know it's hopeless...
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