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Roxio, Axiotron and Other World Computer are among a handful of players in the Mac market that have released new product teasers ahead of next week's Macworld Expo in San Francisco, Calif.

Mac Ta-ta-ta-TeeVo?

Roxio, a division of Sonic Solutions popular for its Toast and Popcorn optical disc authoring software packages, is expected to deliver one of the most sought-after Mac software solutions during the conference.

The Novato, Calif.-based company this week distributed to affiliates a digital invitation to its booth at Macworld, promising a special gift. "We've got a special present for you," it said. "Come to booth #314 at Macworld Expo and see what we've got under wraps."

Roxio in the invitation also promises "show special prices, free gifts and raffle prizes. So what's in the software developer's secret sauce? What was that earlier? Did we say TiVo?



ModBook tablet

Moving on now... Solution hardware manufacturer Axiotron, Inc. and technology solutions provider Other World Computing (OWC) this week announced that they are teaming up during Macworld to unveil ModBook, the first ever Mac tablet computer solution.

"The Axiotron ModBook features WACOM Penabled hardware for true pen input and is fully compatible with Apple's Inkwell, a Mac OS X Tiger feature that provides system level handwriting and gesture recognition to all Mac applications," the companies said.

"Drawing and writing directly on the screen provides for a uniquely intuitive user experience and its slim, slate-style form factor makes the ModBook the ultimate companion for mobile users, artists, professionals and students."



Axiotron and OWC say the ModBook is also the only portable Mac solution that features an optional built-in Global Positioning System (GPS). The product, according to this teaser image, appears to involve an Apple MacBook that has been converted into a tablet. However, the companies aren't providing any further details until after Apple's opening keynote on Tuesday, January 9th.
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What does this have to do with Tivo?
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I'm fairly certain this is what Roxio will unbox:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dmVU08zVpA
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I'm fairly certain this is what Roxio will unbox:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dmVU08zVpA

HAHA I had forgotten about that skit. That entire episode of SNL was very excellent.
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ModBook is the new MacTablet. iTV is the new Asteroid.

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Krikey! This certainly is a bit of all right!
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Krikey! This certainly is a bit of all right!

As an Australian I feel compelled to point out crikey is spelt with a C. Sorry.
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The legality of OWC's product confuses me. If it's just a screen mod, making no other changes to the mb then it makes sense because I guess that's no different then what colour ware pc does.
But if it can swivel and fold and has gps, how is this computer legal? By this time they've surely changed enough that it qualifies as a clone or something.

What'd be hilarious though is if Jobs debuted a mactablet on the 9th.
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As an Australian I feel compelled to point out crikey is spelt with a C. Sorry.

ROFLMAO As an Australian* I feel compelled to ask What The Bloody Hell Is A Tivo Mate? One of em' crazy Yank inventions?

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HAHA I had forgotten about that skit. That entire episode of SNL was very excellent.

HOLY CRAP It'was funny.......
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There's a much more revealing 'teaser' image at http://www.axiotron.com/
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The legality of OWC's product confuses me. If it's just a screen mod, making no other changes to the mb then it makes sense because I guess that's no different then what colour ware pc does.
But if it can swivel and fold and has gps, how is this computer legal? By this time they've surely changed enough that it qualifies as a clone or something.

What'd be hilarious though is if Jobs debuted a mactablet on the 9th.

To be honest i think owc has Job's good graces on this one. it seems like Jobs may have not wanted Apple to go directly into the tablet market and wanted a test run so let someone else do it. Thats just the scenario i could see. Then if he liked it he would do it but do it with "Apple Style"
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How is it a "clone" when you buy an entire macbook, mod it and resell it? There's at least one manufacturer of ruggedized macs (at least the older G5 Xserves) with Apple's blessing...enough that we buy them through our Apple rep.

The secret to a useful tablet is in the SOFTWARE. Better handwriting solution, better support throughout the apps, etc (beyond inkwell). Something Apple could do if they had a mind to. Something Axiotron can't do. Something better than OneNote or InkPad.

Still...probably good enough to stop the erosion of macs in the medical arena.

I might get one if its smaller than a normal macbook and is semi-ruggedized.

It would have been smarter IMHO to use a 15" MBP as the basis and chop it down to 11" slate + docking station (drop the optical drive if need be). Maybe a BT keyboard + trackpad as a cover kinda like how Motion does theirs only make the table be able to prop itself up rather than using the keyboard to do it.

Vinea
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Still...probably good enough to stop the erosion of macs in the medical arena.

Vinea

I agree. Tablets seem to have the most promise in health care IMO. Good tablet + good EMR = holy grail.
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As an owner of a tablet and a nurse at a very tech savvy hospital, I'm not sure the real world agrees with you. I've all but stopped using mine as anything but a laptop and I never see them at work. As much as I would love to see Apple do a tablet, I don't think they have lost a single sale by not having one.
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Oh, and I am the only one who thinks that Roxio's announcement amounts to nothing more than TivoToGo, except that Mac users again will have to pay for something Windows users get for free?

I hope I am wrong and this is software/hardware to make your mac into an HD Tivo with real Tivo software.
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As much as I would love to see Apple do a tablet, I don't think they have lost a single sale by not having one.

Well, I'm 100% certain they've lost thousands (tens, maybe hundreds of thousands) of sales (which I'm sure any mainly Mac using site that got stuck buying Tablet PCs would tell you). BUT, that doesn't mean it would be profitable for Apple to produce and sell one.
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I don't think current tablets and software are good either but I do think there is the potential to develope something good. I also own a tablet for my practice and am dissappointed with several aspects of it as well.
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Mac Ta-ta-ta-TeeVo?

Is this something the writer knows, or is this just a guess?

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ModBook tablet

This has been done before. That is, taking a Mac and re assembling it into a different form. It was done before Apple put out their first portable, many years ago.

The question is, just how expensive will it be. All the work they have done, including the R&D, must be added to the cost of the original machine. Doesn't seem to be worthwhile.
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The legality of OWC's product confuses me. If it's just a screen mod, making no other changes to the mb then it makes sense because I guess that's no different then what colour ware pc does.
But if it can swivel and fold and has gps, how is this computer legal? By this time they've surely changed enough that it qualifies as a clone or something.

I apologize that I don't know of any other correlation that is similar enough, but I don't think it's less legal than a conversion van or Saleen Mustang. Use the original unit, make enough changes and make sure it's clear that what it is, and it should be OK. There are/were some high end electronics brands that take an off-the shelf piece of consumer electronics and modify/replace the analog circuitry for improved output quality. The original manufacturer still gets its money because they have to have the original to modify it, and given that it's a fairly major change, it's not really direct competition either. It's also pretty clear what it is too. If they built a knock-off from scratch rather than modifying an original, then I can see the problem.
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I don't get a clear understanding if the report writer knows that TiVo is a specific brand of PVR technology rather than a generic name for a PVR. There's a chance that Roxio could have licenced the technology from TiVo because TiVo is a technology that is licenced to other hardware makers.

The current Mac PVR software pretty much boils down to EyeTV, and there is some third party hardware supported by the same EyeTV software, such as Miglia's tuners. The generel user interface ease-of-use of the EyeTV software is pretty good, but it's not very robust in my opinion, it crashes, stalls flakes out from time to time. Using the exposé "Application Windows" mode reliably makes the playback screen go black, which I bring back using the "All Windows" mode.
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As an owner of a tablet and a nurse at a very tech savvy hospital, I'm not sure the real world agrees with you. I've all but stopped using mine as anything but a laptop and I never see them at work.

There probably needs to be an upgraded end-user application that ties into the organization's information management system to benefit from the technology. I can see where it can be extremely powerful, but it needs to be executed very well because of regulation and liability issues. Often, there is a lot of inertia that needs to be overcome to integrate a new technology into a large organization.
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As an owner of a tablet and a nurse at a very tech savvy hospital, I'm not sure the real world agrees with you. I've all but stopped using mine as anything but a laptop and I never see them at work. As much as I would love to see Apple do a tablet, I don't think they have lost a single sale by not having one.

Depends on if the hospital or office uses tablet oriented software. My doctor's office has gone from paper charts to electronic ones on his tablet. His notes for follow ups etc get entered in his tablet and ends up at the front desk. He's just a GP so no xrays or so forth. That office use to have older iMacs (the G4 lamps) but now Viewsonic tablets. My wife's OB/GYN was testing tablets and they have iMacs as well.

As far as tech savvy hospital goes...does your hospital use the Vocera badges? If not the folks I spoke with at St. Agnes seemed to really like them. Was a couple years ago but if your IT folks are so inclined its worth looking at...it was cool. I'm thinking of trying to get some to try out...but thus far thinking that if we get our users hooked on wireless tablets we can use that instead. But its easier to get them to wear a badge than assume the always remember to grab a tablet. Different field but similar needs.

Vinea

ObDis: Don't have nuthin to do with Vocera.
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The current Mac PVR software pretty much boils down to EyeTV, and there is some third party hardware supported by the same EyeTV software, such as Miglia's tuners.

I think Miglia still bundles their own software with a couple of products, e.g. AlchemyTV DVR PCI card.

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The generel user interface ease-of-use of the EyeTV software is pretty good, but it's not very robust in my opinion, it crashes, stalls flakes out from time to time.

EyeTV versions before 2.3.3 have been very robust on my eMac. I reverted to 2.3.2 because the second or third scheduled recording wouldn't stop and the app required needed a Force Quit.

Lack of saved EPG searches remains my biggest gripe with the software. How Elgato could leave out such an obvious feature for so long is puzzling. I want "Smart Schedule" saved searches of matching criteria in the sidebar, not just Favorite Channels and Playlists (yawn). I don't care if the scheduling isn't automatic although there's no reason that couldn't be an option, too.

A "keep playback window on top" option would be useful for on-screen playback. Unfortunately the Afloat Cocoa plugin doesn't work even though EyeTV is linked with the Cocoa framework (though the UI sure isn't Cocoa-like).

Oh, and two weeks of EPG listings (like TitanTV's web site) instead of one would be nice.

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Using the exposé "Application Windows" mode reliably makes the playback screen go black, which I bring back using the "All Windows" mode.

Hmm, I couldn't recreate that problem.

I'll be replacing my dead EyeHome with an "iTV" if it'll integrate well enough with my EyeTV 200. Trouble is QuickTime chokes on MPEG-2 transport stream playback; EyeTV, EyeHome, and MPEG Streamclip being the only Mac software I'm aware of with that capability. EyeTV 2 can automatically export recordings "for iPod" to iTunes but I'd rather avoid that slow H.264/AVC transcoding process for "iTV" playback (like I could with EyeHome). An option for significantly faster exporting of larger-sized MPEG streams directly to iTunes would be great; even better with more program details that EyeTV displays saved in corresponding iTunes entries.
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EyeTV versions before 2.3.3 have been very robust on my eMac. I reverted to 2.3.2 because the second or third scheduled recording wouldn't stop and the app required needed a Force Quit.

That happened for me when I tried to record from the A/V input of my hybrid. If I just did a digital TV recording I didn't see the problem at all, or it was recording an analog channel through the antenna jack of my satellite box, I didn't see that problem so much. Since I quit expecting the A/V input to be useful, the last time EyeTV caused problems was when it filled up the hard drive.

I had hoped that I can have two computers share the same recordings folder, but I've found that is another way to crash EyeTV on either computer. That was a pity because being able to seemlessly access any recording from any computer on the network would have been a golden feature. I bought two of the hybrids hoping this would work. I almost returned one or both because of the crashes related to this and the A/V input problem.

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Lack of saved EPG searches remains my biggest gripe with the software. How Elgato could leave out such an obvious feature for so long is puzzling. I want "Smart Schedule" saved searches of matching criteria in the sidebar, not just Favorite Channels and Playlists (yawn). I don't care if the scheduling isn't automatic although there's no reason that couldn't be an option, too.

The guide can be searched from within the app (upper right corner), but there's no conditional recording or smart playlists. I too wish they had smart recording & playlist features. It took an anonymous response to a blog entry of mine for me to get clued into the fact that it can be scheduled to do recurring recordings (daily, weekdays, weekly, etc.)

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Hmm, I couldn't recreate that problem.

It's probably a bug specific to version 2.3.3 or Intel + 2.3.3. I just reverted it to 2.3.2 and it doesn't have this problem.
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Here is some more info on TiVotoGo from Engadget.
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Since I quit expecting the A/V input to be useful, the last time EyeTV caused problems was when it filled up the hard drive.

I've never tried the A/V input on my EyeTV 200.

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I had hoped that I can have two computers share the same recordings folder, but I've found that is another way to crash EyeTV on either computer. That was a pity because being able to seemlessly access any recording from any computer on the network would have been a golden feature.

I've accessed the AFP-mounted EyeTV Archive recording folder on my eMac with EyeTV on my iMac G5, though possibly only while EyeTV isn't running on the eMac.

I move edited recordings to organized EyeTV Archive folders on larger FireWire volumes for playback and/or archival. I create aliases of selected .eyetv recording folders in the EyeTV Archive that's normally used when running EyeTV on the iMac, which also makes the recordings available to EyeHome. Using aliases is much easier than switching between multiple EyeTV Archive folders and they even work with .eyetv folders on different systems. That let's me keep recordings organized and have centralized access just to those I'm interested in watching. Something like that might be a solution for your "seamless access" problem.

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The guide can be searched from within the app (upper right corner), but there's no conditional recording or smart playlists. I too wish they had smart recording & playlist features.

(Re)entering search text in that non-saving field is tediously time-consuming.

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It took an anonymous response to a blog entry of mine for me to get clued into the fact that it can be scheduled to do recurring recordings (daily, weekdays, weekly, etc.)

Trouble with that is you don't get full episode information (e.g. Description text) like with single-program scheduling. And certain programs like to adjust their schedules.

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It's probably a bug specific to version 2.3.3 or Intel + 2.3.3. I just reverted it to 2.3.2 and it doesn't have this problem.

I'm satisfied with 2.3.2 since there's nothing new in 2.3.3 I care about.
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Trouble with that is you don't get full episode information (e.g. Description text) like with single-program scheduling. And certain programs like to adjust their schedules.

I do get the full descriptions for each new recording when it is recorded on a repeating schedule. I too would greatly appreciate automatic shedule adjustment or smart scheduling.
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