Originally Posted by AgNuke1707
??? What the hell ... okay dude please point out to me with actual sources and facts how Greenpeace has done anything to promote environmental responsibility.
No, dude, it is up to you to point out actual sources and facts for how Greenpeace has somehow hurt you. But if you can't Google anything, you might want to ask people about whaling protests in which they put THEIR OWN LIVES - not the lives of whalers - on the line.
Saying, "well, we want Apple to use environmentally friendly manufacturing and packaging processes" is NOT a solution to anything.
Well it is a start. And it is not up to Greenpeace to research every manufacturing process know to humanity and do the work that companies should be doing anyway. Their role is to highlight the problems and where they can, give solutions. You might want to actually go to their website before wasting discussion space on your repressed, self-important rant.
Spiking trees was not an answer to logging and killing whalers was not an answer to whaling. It's little more than an eco-terrorist group.
Where is YOUR proof, nimrod? I'm from Oregon and Greenpeace doesn't spike logs. Other fringe groups used to. Read some George Orwell or Thoreau if you don't understand the reasonings and exigencies of the powerless in the face of the powerful. Nonviolent, civil disobedience at times is not only ethical, it is necessary. (see Gandhi)
As for killing whalers ....
... read up on the Rainbow Warrior.
While I admit shining green flashlights into a glass box to promote environmental awareness isn't damaging or terroristic, what DOES it do exactly?
Usually it gets people to talk about it in a public way ... except for people like you who can't stand being reminded of bad things in the world, or who feel they are personally being blamed for problems, or who feel eco-groups are just being arrogant ... while you, yourself express the exact same arrogance. Maybe if you spent 2% of the time you spend ragging on GP, ragging on GE ruining the Hudson River instead, then maybe YOU might be doing something useful.
Greenpeace needs to offer up some solution to expect Apple to give them any mind.
And how do you know they haven't?!?!? Because you read AI forums or listen to talk radio? Again a few minutes of research would answer most of your questions if you truly were interested in answers rather than venting your stupidity.
Apple is a business. They're out to make money. Same as the fucking oil companies. They are concerned about getting a good product out the door as cheaply as possible with as few prohibitive fees in the way as possible. Do you think Apple is going to like sinking tons of money into more environmental awareness when it already has one of the best eco-friendly track records in the business?
Being a business is not a virtue. It is only an economic construct. Making money is what they need to do to survive, but they have responsibilities too. And I doubt Apple is even being asked to sink tons of money into anything.
Try reading Crichton's "State of Fear" ... while controversial, it's extremely well researched and worth reading whether or not you support the radical environmental movement...
I also hear he wrote a book that has exposed an underlying plot by geneticists to create a park of dinosaurs that will eventually over-run small Central American countries and kill a lawyer or two. It is very well researched and worth reading whether or not you support the radical paleontological movement.
The problem with people now is that they are so afraid of terrorists and so angry with "liberals" that they don't have an idea about what a truly radical movement is.