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Originally Posted by wealjays View Post


i think the yahoo mail has some special functionality for the iphone

Push a la blackberry.

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post #122 of 437
I don't understand why Apple tetherd themselves exclusively to a single service provider. This extremely narrows their market.

Other points that came into my mind:

- Will the battery finally be exchangeable?
- How useful will the iPhone be for Windows users? Will it be able to sync with Outlook or Vista's integrated addressbook?
- Does the included camera really fulfill Apple's quality standards? I think they should have gone without.
- They won't be able to sell this phone in Europe without 3G (UMTS or HSDPA) support because only few providers offer EDGE service.
- Can the phone be used to access the internet from your notebook?
- With the release of the iPhone there is even less incentive for other cellphone companies to make thier phones synchable with OS X. Not that there are that many now...
post #123 of 437
Since they don't have FCC approval yet they have to make that statement to be legal. The FCC is really hard on you if you don't.

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Originally Posted by mbaynham View Post

i hate to do this, but i just saw this at the bottom of the page of the iphone.

'This device has not been authorized as required by the rules of the Federal Communications Commission. This device is not, and may not be, offered for sale or lease, or sold or leased, until authorization is obtained'

post #124 of 437
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Originally Posted by Techboy View Post

No one is concern about the puny 5 hours battery life? Can anyone confirm if the 5-hr is the actually operating time and not including standby time?

It's 5 hours talk or video. 16 hours music. No mention of standby.
post #125 of 437
Well, it's a pretty impressive beast. Not something I'm in the market for, but it looks poised to dominate the market it's aimed at.

I'm greatly looking forward to purchasing a 16Gb strictly iPod version (ie just music photos and videos, no internet / phone / camera stuff) of the iPhone come September/October.
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post #126 of 437
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Well, it's a pretty impressive beast. Not something I'm in the market for, but it looks poised to dominate the market it's aimed at.

I'm greatly looking forward to purchasing a 16Gb strictly iPod version (ie just music photos and videos, no internet / phone / camera stuff) of the iPhone come September/October.

If they take all of that stuff out, you're left with a Nano in an enclosure that is the size of a full iPod. If they are going to mod the iPhone into just an iPod, it will have a hard drive -- maybe 40/100 GB versions.
post #127 of 437
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Originally Posted by Denton View Post

and it falls short by, oh, 22GB on storage

Yah...wanna bet that in late 2007 or early 2008 we see enhanced car integration with additional storage from BMW, Acura, Infiniti, Mercedes, etc? Hooks between Google Maps and the onboard GPS/Nav system? Along with the usual music stuff.

Perhaps movie playback for the kids but 8GB is mighty small for that unless you download from iTunes to the iTV built into your Mercedes SUV via iPhone...though EDGE is kinda slow...still...watch one show while racking up Daddy's Cingular bill downloading other episodes of CSI at a pokey 200Kbps...

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post #128 of 437
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Push a la blackberry.

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what is push?
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post #129 of 437
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Originally Posted by RolandG View Post

I don't understand why Apple tetherd themselves exclusively to a single service provider. This extremely narrows their market.

Because Cingular is the biggest and has the best chance of getting a lot of iPhone customers on board. They have a 2 year exclusive.

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post #131 of 437
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Originally Posted by AgNuke1707 View Post

So Apple introducs this new phone that EVERYONE has been wanting and talking about and it's too expensive, too locked in and too little storage:

1) It gets released in June - 6 months from now, some of those features could change. Remember when Apple upgraded everyone's MBP processors. Maybe we'll see bigger flash space by that time. Who knows

If it's in the FCC approval process for phones, I doubt they can change the hardware specs much, and probably not at all. This isn't a MBP or an iPod.
post #132 of 437
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Originally Posted by aegisdesign View Post

2MP camera ? Huh? in 2007 in a high end phone?

Megapixels don't make a good camera. I've never seen a case where more megapixels on a camera phone beyond that yielded better picture quality, except maybe for the cameras that happen to have an integrated phone.
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"We've learned and struggled for a few years here figuring out how to make a decent phone, PC guys are not going to just figure this out. They're not going to just walk in.'" -Ed Colligan, Palm CEO

Are those footsteps I hear?
They didn't walk in, Steve kicked down the door!
Unfortunately a decent phone isn't going to cut it any more.
post #134 of 437
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Originally Posted by Johnny Mozzarella View Post


-No Preview.app for reading PDFs!???
-No TextEdit so no way to view a .doc attachment??

PDF is built into the graphics layer of OS X, and Mail uses the same text engine as TextEdit. So I'd say you'll view .doc files in the Mail program, and PDFs in the picture program.

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-GPS should be doable through external Bluetooth GPS reciever

GPS is built-in, as Steve demoed.

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-.Mac integration not mentioned at all, instead Yahoo! push email

Yes, it was mentioned, along with Gmail.

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-Will developers be able to get in on this? (Skype, Mozilla, Parallels, just kidding)
-Will Apple control the apps like it does iPod games?
-Will they sell additional apps through iTunes store?

Good question. I really hope they leave it open. I'd kill for OmniOutliner on this thing.

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-No infared! (can't use as a universal remote)

You can't with an iPod either. That's what the dock is for. I'm sure they'll have a version of the dock with IR and video output, just like the one for the iPod.
post #135 of 437
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

First of all, these are supposed to be sync'd to your computer. I have hundreds of books for my Treo, but never keep more than a dozen in the phone at any one time.

Same thing with pics and videos.

Do you really want to keep all of them on this at once? It's not like songs. You don't watch videos over and over.

And it would have to be either Cingular or T-Mobile, which is worse.

They needed GSM for the world phone aspect.

Sucks, how about an unlocked phone. Whats wrong with 80 gig, nothing. Apple just wants room to grow so I am forced to upgrade later. It sucks. I won't be buying it.
post #136 of 437
It's fab and I want it and all that.
But when is the real widescreen iPod with 30-60GB coming out?
4-8GB doesn't work for a lot of movies, photos and songs. It still doesn't beat my 3 years old(?) 10GB iPod in terms of what I use it most for, listening to my music library.
post #137 of 437
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

Megapixels don't make a good camera.

No, and unless the optics are suplied by Canon, Nikon, Olympus, etc, neither will Apple make a good camera. Though, I guess, none of that is really the point. Phones are not meant to take quality pictures; just as cameras are not made to capture quality video. A 2MP camera is more than adequate for a phone.
post #138 of 437
"Push" means that when you get a new email, your email service sends a signal to your phone to alert you. Rather than the phone periodically checking with your server (or manually checking), you know instantly when you have a new message.
post #139 of 437
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Originally Posted by AaronHarmon View Post

Sucks, how about an unlocked phone. Whats wrong with 80 gig, nothing. Apple just wants room to grow so I am forced to upgrade later. It sucks. I won't be buying it.

I don't think so. For music, 1 gig is just fine. Probably another or two gig for video. It takes a little work, but iTunes can be set up so it can rotate in fresh media to replace any tracks that were played. It's unnecessary to have your entire library on your person all the time. It's probably impossible to go through 4GB of video on a single charge, it's likely going to be synched anyway.

What's wrong with an 80 gig drive is that it would make this thing a lot bigger, heavier, lower battery life, more expensive and likely less durable too. There isn't a phone or PDA out there that uses a 1.8" hard drive that I've seen. The Lifedrive is just a PDA, uses a microdrive and the thing is HUGE. One with a 1.8" 80GB drive is going to be considerably bigger than that.

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Originally Posted by Johnny Mozzarella View Post


-no Apple logo on front of device(I can't imagine any other company exercising that kind of restraint)

A lot of devices by Apple and other companies have their logo on the back of the device. iPods, Creatives, Zunes have their branding on the back that I remember.
post #140 of 437
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Sucks, how about an unlocked phone. Whats wrong with 80 gig, nothing. Apple just wants room to grow so I am forced to upgrade later. It sucks. I won't be buying it.

It is unlocked in a sense. You should be able to use the phone with an internet connection without a cell phone company.

As far as 80GB I don't understand why there so much bitchin' about it. Its clear Apple is using the same flash drives as the nano. A spinning hard drive would quickly reduce the battery life.

Prices should drop by June so it is possible Apple may bump the storage to 16GB.
post #141 of 437
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Originally Posted by Johnny Mozzarella View Post

"We've learned and struggled for a few years here figuring out how to make a decent phone, PC guys are not going to just figure this out. They're not going to just walk in.'" -Ed Colligan, Palm CEO

Ya, it seems pretty funny now, doesn't it? Can you imagine what the guys over at Palm and RIM are thinking this afternoon? Oh! to be a fly on the wall in those meetings!
post #142 of 437
I also like how Apple is not calling the UI OS X Mobile or OS X Lite.

Its all OS X.
post #143 of 437
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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

Prices should drop by June so it is possible Apple may bump the storage to 16GB.

I doubt the price of the 16GB flash will drop that much in six months. Apple may get the price-drop started if they open a large bulk order of the 16GB flash, but I'm not sure that what you suggest is possible in such a short period. It would certainly be nice to get more storage on these babies; and we'll certainly see it sometime, but it might cost a little more.
post #144 of 437
well, this means that the FULL boise state/oklahoma fiesta bowl i just bought off itunes two days ago would fill up 1/4 to 1/2 of the drive ALL BY ITSELF. it's nice that it does video, but you'll be swapping files off and on often to clear space to make it anything more than a cool feature that's underused.

but it is one hell of a piece of hardware, the UI is really good (though the "ripple" from the online demos needs to be toned down a little... typing on the keyboard is like trying to drive in the rain when you start typing really fast), and things like the accelerometer and light sensors and squeeze sensors... well, damn.



now when do you suppose it'll come to canada? if it was like the apple online store eons ago, we MIGHT get it up here in 2013. \

this is a device for those who want an ipod nano, and crave one friggin' sweet phone.
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post #145 of 437
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Originally Posted by Timon View Post

Since they don't have FCC approval yet they have to make that statement to be legal. The FCC is really hard on you if you don't.

I think it's kind of weird that they have that. It's not as if the promotional materials for an unreleased phone will emit harmful RF radiation.
post #146 of 437
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

I don't think so. For music, 1 gig is just fine. Probably another or two gig for video. It takes a little work, but iTunes can be set up so it can rotate in fresh media to replace any tracks that were played. It's unnecessary to have your entire library on your person all the time. It's probably impossible to go through 4GB of video on a single charge, it's likely going to be synched anyway.

What's wrong with an 80 gig drive is that it would make this thing a lot bigger, heavier lower battery life, more expensive and likely less durable too. There isn't a phone or PDA out there that uses a 1.8" hard drive that I've seen. The Lifedrive uses a microdrive and the thing is HUGE.



A lot of devices by Apple and other companies have their logo on the back of the device. iPods, Creatives, Zunes have their branding on the back that I remember.

1 gig is fine? Maybe for you, not for me. I don't want my music rotated. I want it with me.

If 1 gig is fine, why the hell did I buy an 80 gig Ipod. 1 gig sucks.

I understand the hdd battery life argument, but why not put some of this cutting edge research into battery tech. They may even make a buck or two just off of that.

The phone looks sweet. There is just no way I'm switching carriers and laying down 6 bills for a device that does not meet my wants and needs. That phone does not.
post #147 of 437
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Originally Posted by rok View Post

now when do you suppose it'll come to canada? if it was like the apple online store eons ago, we MIGHT get it up here in 2013. \

I would guess at the same time that Europe gets it. I will also guess that it will be on Rogers.
post #148 of 437
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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

It is unlocked in a sense. You should be able to use the phone with an internet connection without a cell phone company.

As far as 80GB I don't understand why there so much bitchin' about it. Its clear Apple is using the same flash drives as the nano. A spinning hard drive would quickly reduce the battery life.

Prices should drop by June so it is possible Apple may bump the storage to 16GB.

So in other words, I can use it at home, where I have my home phone, well gee, that changes everything.
post #149 of 437
I'm sorry. I'm panicking. Got to hold it first.
post #150 of 437
It's a really nice device, but this is just way more than most people will pay for a phone, especially with limited storage and an exclusive carrier. I wouldn't get one unless the price dropped significantly, closer to $400 without a contract.

This slick multipoint gesture version of OS X just begs to be put on a tablet device though.
post #151 of 437
I love the way this thing runs. I really do. It really looks fun to use, and it's sleek as hell. My favorite features have to be the maps thing (eventually it'll probably just be google earth) and the motion sensor toggle controlled switch to coverflow you get while listening to music. My only fear is the smudged screen. Honestly... I don't know how Apple's going to get away with it. The problem inherent with touchscreens is that no matter how brilliant they may look initially, they'll get smudged and scratched eventually (or immediately) after some use. Maybe Apple has some new, extremely durable plastic material up its sleeve.

Bottom line: I can't wait to try one out for myself, but I'm not going to own anything like the iPhone personally for a number of years unless I know for sure it's smudge/scratch proof, or if the price comes down.
post #152 of 437
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Originally Posted by OldCodger73 View Post

IMO, the most "stunning" part of the announcement is the high price.

This is just the suggested retail price tag.
You probably pay less, if you get a 2 yrs contract.
I guess.
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I call fake!




Wonderful! Damn, but that's funny!!!

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post #154 of 437
Aaron, Then don't. This phone meets the needs of a lot of users even if it doesn't satisfy you. For the first version of a smart phone and iPod combo, it looks absolutely incredible. Show me something that does all that it can do and looks as good. Not to mention the intuitiveness of use. The demos at Apple's website really showcase this. I'll bet the execs at RIM, Nokia and Moto are sweatin.
post #155 of 437
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Originally Posted by AaronHarmon View Post

1 gig is fine? Maybe for you, not for me. I don't want my music rotated. I want it with me.

If 1 gig is fine, why the hell did I buy an 80 gig Ipod. 1 gig sucks.

I'm just saying that, save for lossless audio, it's unlikely you can play a gig of audio on a single charge on any player. Carrying 100x more audio than that at all times simply becomes pointless.

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I understand the hdd battery life argument, but why not put some of this cutting edge research into battery tech. They may even make a buck or two just off of that.

It's not as if Apple can dance into materials technology and dance out with stronger batteries. It doesn't work that way, it probably takes tens of billions of dollars to develop a new battery chemistry.

In light that this is supposed to be a smart phone, it's a very nice unit, but I doubt a mechanical hard drive would ever make it to these things. If it doesn't do what you want, you don't have to buy it. It's a little expensive, but then, in my opinion, all smart phones are too expensive.
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post #157 of 437
Everyone:

Regarding memory, won't this thing be able to connect to Dot Mac accounts? Won't that (depending upon connection quality, which is my big concern with Cingular) allow access to 30GB+ of Stuff?

Memory capacity is only going to go up as new models are released, too.

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PS: My Treo 650 and my wife's Treo 650 are SO doomed!
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post #158 of 437
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Originally Posted by mcr34 View Post

It is tough to see where the iPod goes from here.

The major attraction of switching to the iPhone, as it appears to me, is the new iPod interface, the addition of coverflow and the widescreen video capability.

And Apple knows that -- its almost certainly why they haven't announced a new iPod with that functionality and no phone attached. The iPod stuff will drag in switchers.

But I, and I would guess many other people, don't want to change my phone number, and don't want to use Cingular as my provider.

With number portability, can't you transfer your phone number?

I wonder if some features are tied to Cingular and that an unlocked phone would not be worth it.

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post #159 of 437
Oh, yeah, I want one.

I dislike the clumsy, unwieldy feel of Motorola's Razr in my hand - purty and all as it looks - I feel safer holding it with one and dialling it or texting or whatever with the other, just from the pic on Apple's site I'm worried it might be a bit the same.

If I had one I was using as a phone to the extent and in the manner I use my current Nokia I think I'd feel safer with a cord around my wrist, as inelegant as that would be.

But woah, buddy, I still want one.
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Originally Posted by backtomac View Post

I'll bet by June Apple will introduce a scaled down iPhone that will play music, take pictures and have the phone and voicemail capabilities. Price, $199.

I agree, and I bet it will be called the iPhone Mini.
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