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post #161 of 437
1/9/07 at 3:40pm
Just had a look at the UI from the high-quality photos provided by AI.

Why don't they group e-mails and sms (and mms which they seem to entirely ommit) together?
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post #162 of 437
1/9/07 at 3:43pm
They should have added some form of SD for even more pimp points.
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post #163 of 437
1/9/07 at 3:44pm
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I doubt the price of the 16GB flash will drop that much in six months. Apple may get the price-drop started if they open a large bulk order of the 16GB flash, but I'm not sure that what you suggest is possible in such a short period. It would certainly be nice to get more storage on these babies; and we'll certainly see it sometime, but it might cost a little more.

It seems difficult to believe price will stay the same for too long. The demand for flash is growing at steep rate. More and more devices are using them. The upcoming Intel Robeson only push demand even more.

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If 1 gig is fine, why the hell did I buy an 80 gig Ipod. 1 gig sucks.

I understand the hdd battery life argument, but why not put some of this cutting edge research into battery tech. They may even make a buck or two just off of that.

Geez if 8 GB does not fit your needs then obviously this device is not for you. Why complain to us about it.

The batteries we get are the the cutting edge best we can get within the price they sell the device.

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So in other words, I can use it at home, where I have my home phone, well gee, that changes everything.

Well...you can write your city government and demand municipal WiFi.
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post #164 of 437
1/9/07 at 3:46pm
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I'm just saying that, save for lossless audio, it's unlikely you can play a gig of audio on a single charge on any player. Carrying 100x more audio than that at all times simply becomes pointless.

You really don't understand why people have 20+ GB iPods do you? Many people (like me) like to be able to carry around their entire music collection. Of course we can't listen to the whole lot on a single charge. But it means that we have our entire collection with us. We don't have to decide before we leave the house what we want to listen to when we are out/away for the weekend/on holiday. We can choose as the mood takes us.

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This is just the suggested retail price tag.
You probably pay less, if you get a 2 yrs contract.
I guess.

Nope. The price is subsidised by the contract (and we don't know yet how much the monthly charge will be). Do you people really not comprehend the technology packed into this thing? Not to mention all the R&D costs: that's not an off-the-shelf touch screen, for example, that's a proprietary Apple technology. Without subsidy, this thing would be even more expensive.


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Prices should drop by June so it is possible Apple may bump the storage to 16GB.

Don't you think the price has been set according to what Apple expect flash to cost in June? Don't forget all the other (extremely expensive) tech in this device.
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post #165 of 437
1/9/07 at 3:46pm
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Aaron, Then don't. This phone meets the needs of a lot of users even if it doesn't satisfy you. For the first version of a smart phone and iPod combo, it looks absolutely incredible. Show me something that does all that it can do and looks as good. Not to mention the intuitiveness of use. The demos at Apple's website really showcase this. I'll be the execs at RIM, Nokia and Moto are sweatin.


You know guys, I'm sorry if I'm offending any of you, I am just really disapointed. I have been looking forward to this device for just as long as the rest of you. My contract with Alltel is set to pop in 3 months, the timing is perfect. The device is not as far as I'm concerned. I could probably even live with 16 gigs. 8 is just awful. I work 3rd shift at a hospital and watch alot of video at night. I would be resynching this thing constantly to keep the material fresh. I don't always know what I'm going to be in the mood to watch or listen to. 8 gig just isn't enough flexability as far as I'm concerned. Maybe I'll check back with version two.

Just so you know I was disapointed with the ITV and well and Bill Gate's CES keynote was underwhelming too (I was looking forward to some things for the 360 that didn't pan out as rumored).

Anyway, I make gobs of money, doing what I do. Technology and new gadgets are my favorite bad investment. I was really looking forward for a reason to buy myself some new toys. I didn't happen.

I would have been happy with a 100 gig true video Ipod, that didn't happen either.

Bring on the 4 core MBP, I'll take one of those as well.

I looked forward to these events for a while and while I think the phone looks slick, It's not enough for me to replace my other $600 smart phone.
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post #166 of 437
1/9/07 at 3:46pm
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I agree, and I bet it will be called the iPhone Mini.


I agree, if not iPhone nano. And I'd buy that.
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post #167 of 437
1/9/07 at 3:47pm
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I agree, and I bet it will be called the iPhone Mini.

If I remember correctly most rumors had the 'simple' iPhone coming out now and the ipod 'smartphone' coming out this summer. If they bring out the iPhone mini this summer at that pricepoint ($199) I think 1% marketshare is being way too conservative. They won't be able to make 'em fast enough.
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post #168 of 437
1/9/07 at 3:48pm
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OwmyGod! Did anyone see the side view of this device? And the back? The Apple logo is HUGE! It's not crisp, not gentle but brutally rounded at the edges

Haven't you noticed that anything you hold in your hand or touch with your fingers is rounded.

People are to hold this to their head for long periods of time. Rounded edges on soft rounded hands are a lot more comfortable than hard edges.
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post #169 of 437
1/9/07 at 3:51pm
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Don't you think the price has been set according to what Apple expect flash to cost in June? Don't forget all the other (extremely expensive) tech in this device.

I'm sure they have. but June 6 months away. Anything can happen in 6 months.

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I would have been happy with a 100 gig true video Ipod, that didn't happen either.

Bring on the 4 core MBP, I'll take one of those as well.

Geez you bat for the fences.
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post #170 of 437
1/9/07 at 3:56pm
I guess history is bound to repeat itself after all- yet another EXTREMELY great idea/product with bad marketing. I would have bought two yesterday- But there's a reason Cingular is the WORST rated wireless company around (actually there are several- I know being a customer for several years but no longer.)

Come on Apple- doesn't somebody there read Consumer Reports? These folks are rated the worst NATIONWIDE! Apple's rated the best! Geez this is frustrating!

I guess Verizon just wants to nickel and dime everybody so they can't do anything (except get great wireless service) and Cingular will let you do just about anything (except talk on a reliable connection- if you can get one).

Sorry Apple- I love ya, but not enough to deal with Cingular. Guess I'll keep hacking with my E815...
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post #171 of 437
1/9/07 at 3:57pm
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You really don't understand why people have 20+ GB iPods do you? Many people (like me) like to be able to carry around their entire music collection. Of course we can't listen to the whole lot on a single charge. But it means that… we have our entire collection with us. We don't have to decide before we leave the house what we want to listen to when we are out/away for the weekend/on holiday. We can choose as the mood takes us.

I really haven't had that problem. iTunes randomly selects from my entire library, so there's always something to fit my mood. My first iPod was a 20 gig which I had nearly filled before I quit using it, but I've done very well with a 1GB nano that I bought just because I didn't want to carry around a heavy brick and I wanted a more durable device too. An 80GB phone would be worse than any recent iPod in that respect. The travel thing is a valid point, but I don't travel or go away for very long stretches very often. Maybe I'd bring my 20gig along, or load my library onto my notebook.

I'm not saying that I am buying this thing, but I'm not badmouthing it as junk either because it doesn't do exactly what I want, how I want it. I'm just saying that the same phone with any size mechanical hard drive would be a lot thicker and I don't think Apple will make one. It's a nice looking product, I just can't justify spending the asking price + data service plan to get one.
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post #172 of 437
1/9/07 at 3:57pm
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You know guys, I'm sorry if I'm offending any of you, I am just really disapointed. I have been looking forward to this device for just as long as the rest of you. My contract with Alltel is set to pop in 3 months, the timing is perfect. The device is not as far as I'm concerned. I could probably even live with 16 gigs. 8 is just awful. I work 3rd shift at a hospital and watch alot of video at night. I would be resynching this thing constantly to keep the material fresh. I don't always know what I'm going to be in the mood to watch or listen to. 8 gig just isn't enough flexability as far as I'm concerned. Maybe I'll check back with version two.

Just so you know I was disapointed with the ITV and well and Bill Gate's CES keynote was underwhelming too (I was looking forward to some things for the 360 that didn't pan out as rumored).

Anyway, I make gobs of money, doing what I do. Technology and new gadgets are my favorite bad investment. I was really looking forward for a reason to buy myself some new toys. I didn't happen.

I would have been happy with a 100 gig true video Ipod, that didn't happen either.

Bring on the 4 core MBP, I'll take one of those as well.

I looked forward to these events for a while and while I think the phone looks slick, It's not enough for me to replace my other $600 smart phone.

You're not offending me but you're disparaging the device because it doesn't meet you individual needs while overlooking all of it's desirable features. I think that you're being very shortsighted on this. Would 30gbs of memory all of a sudden make it indispensable? Don't you think that the memory will improve as flash memory storage improves and prices come down?
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post #173 of 437
1/9/07 at 3:59pm
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So what happened to "iPhone" already being trademarked???

Cisco sold them rights to the name, the news was on yahoo finance.

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This will happen, but probably not until pre-xmas 2007 so as to give the iphone a chance to do some damage. 4 and 8GB are cool for a phone, but for those of us who need massive storage in one handy pocket-fitting device 100GB will be a must. AND it will be just as cool as the iphone, sleek, thin, and touchscreen.
This year is going to huge for Apple.

I disagree - waiting (or failing) to announce products that would sell well in order to protect other products is the way of many failed companies - Apple will release this same thing as pure 100g ipod asap, because it will sell well.

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Does anyone actually look at competitive offerings before making these comments??? The Palm Trea 750 is $499 with contract (before rebate and who knows about those in the future) and it only comes with 60 MB (that megabytes) of user accessible storage.

Exactly - this phone is less expensive than the P910a was when it came out ($1000 unlocked). Smart phone buyers are used to paying this much, and it will sell well at that price.

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It's as big as an iPod with only as much memory as an iPod nano: imagine what it would look like if it had an internal hard drive!

The largest flash drives are 16GB and cost twice about $350. So if you want 16GB, I guess you'll have to pony-up $800 and sign a 2 year contract with Cingular.

And if you want 16GB in an unlocked phone, well, you might as well just buy a Macbook and keep your current phone for the price you'll pay.

I think that it was Seagate that just announced really tiny 30 and 60 gb drives - I would not be surprised to see these in the device instead of flash. June is a long time away.
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post #174 of 437
1/9/07 at 4:04pm
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You're not offending me but you're disparaging the device because it doesn't meet you individual needs while overlooking all of it's desirable features. I think that you're being very shortsighted on this. Would 30gbs of memory all of a sudden make it indispensable? Don't you think that the memory will improve as flash memory storage improves and prices come down?

I certainly hope so. And I would definately dump my current phone for this phone with 30 gigs. I just don't want to wait 2 years for it.

For $600.00 why not make the memory removable and upgradeable, I would even be happy with that. I don't want to buy a phone that doesn't meet my expectations knowing that one that does will be right around the corner.

Shortsighted? Maybe, I'm just frustrated.
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post #175 of 437
1/9/07 at 4:05pm
So does it have expandable memory? Most new phones, especially GSM, support Mini-SD but I have yet to see a mention of it. It would definitely make the flash part much more appealing.
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post #176 of 437
1/9/07 at 4:06pm
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but I've done very well with a 1GB nano that I bought just because I didn't want to carry around a heavy brick and I wanted a more durable device too. An 80GB phone would be worse than any recent iPod in that respect.

Don't get me wrong. I think flash is a much, much better option at the moment for the iPhone. I was just pointing out that there are plenty of valid reasons for wanting way more than 1 GB storage.

However, an HDD, as you say, would be too big, too heavy and not durable enough.
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post #177 of 437
1/9/07 at 4:08pm
i really didn't think they could pull this off but holy crap that is one sexy amazing piece of technology!

i need this and i need it now! when will preorders happen? i'm on it the first min

i cant believe apple did it again
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post #178 of 437
1/9/07 at 4:09pm
I have posted a poll to get a handle on how many people are interested in getting the iPhone.
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post #179 of 437
1/9/07 at 4:21pm
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1 gig is fine? Maybe for you, not for me. I don't want my music rotated. I want it with me.

If 1 gig is fine, why the hell did I buy an 80 gig Ipod. 1 gig sucks.

Which is why 8GB and below Nanos aren't selling? No wait...I recall someone saying they were the most popular MP3 players on the market...who was that guy on stage today?

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I understand the hdd battery life argument, but why not put some of this cutting edge research into battery tech. They may even make a buck or two just off of that.

Because rev 2 will get to double digit MB on flash alone? Not saying that someone shouldn't invest in battery technology but its not an area that Apple specializes in and frankly they have a lot of demands on their R&D $$$ as it is.

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The phone looks sweet. There is just no way I'm switching carriers and laying down 6 bills for a device that does not meet my wants and needs. That phone does not.

So what? You don't think this thing will be pre-ordered out the ying-yang and have nearly zero availablility anyway? Doesn't meet your needs...don't buy. Pretty danged simple. Whine elsewhere and buy a Blackberry or Treo. This thing rocks. It ain't perfect but nothing v1.0 is. But is sure is a heck of a lot nicer than any of the alternatives I've been looking at. I was prepared to be disapointed with a rather barebones iPhone with just iPod functionality today with a smartphone following in the future.

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1/9/07 at 4:22pm
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I certainly hope so. And I would definately dump my current phone for this phone with 30 gigs. I just don't want to wait 2 years for it.

For $600.00 why not make the memory removable and upgradeable, I would even be happy with that. I don't want to buy a phone that doesn't meet my expectations knowing that one that does will be right around the corner.

Shortsighted? Maybe, I'm just frustrated.

You can ... unsolder the 8GB, resolder a 16GB chip. Simple as that....

Your other desired products (the 4 core MBP, 100G TRUE iPod, etc...) tell me that you're excessively demanding. We're all guilty of it at some point, but come on ... Apple was NOT going to announce a 4 core MacBook Pro at Macworld. And the iPod was revamped not too long ago (whether or not the improvements met your expecttions is immaterial, it was still done....). I think we'll see another announcement in February to introduce iLife and iWork '07. The next iPod I wouldn't expect until MArch or April. If Apple was going to redo the iPod, they would have announced it BEFORE Christmas, not directly afterward.
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post #181 of 437
1/9/07 at 4:24pm
Well... some of you are getting the iPhone concept wrong.

This new device is after all only a Cell Phone with a lot of features: music player, web browsing, watch videos, take pictures, etc. If you compare the iPhone to a Blackberry or a Treo, it is way beyond them...As far as I know, the biggest storage you can get with a Treo or Blackberry is 2GB and you have to buy an SD Card at xxx price, not built-in; so 8GB built-in are great for a cell phone. And don't forget about the new touch screen technology, for me is great, I hate stylus, I have a palm and I always use my finger tip to navigate and write.

For me, this is a great device, it could have more features, more storage, more I don't know what; but thinking of it as the kind of device it is (a cell phone); it is just perfect.
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post #182 of 437
1/9/07 at 4:25pm
Yup, in comparison the Zune really looks like something Ballmer recently flushed.
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post #183 of 437
1/9/07 at 4:26pm
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This just appeared in a article on News.com:

In a written response to an inquiry from CNET News.com made while Jobs' speech was still going on, a Cisco representative said, "It is our belief that with their announcement today, Apple intends to agree to the final document and public statements that were distributed to them last night." Cisco expects to receive a signed agreement Tuesday, according to the statement.

Do you know what that document is?
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1/9/07 at 4:29pm
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Yup, in comparison the Zune really looks like something Ballmer recently flushed.

Flushed? or squirted?
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post #185 of 437
1/9/07 at 4:47pm
Well - it's about time! I always find myself wanting devices available in Asia before the US! Better late than never...

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INCREDIBLE DEVICE

Welcome to 2007. INDEED

Sadly, we here in Asia have to wait a year for the joy of buying one...

I WANT ONE NOW
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post #186 of 437
1/9/07 at 4:49pm
I'd like the unlocked version as well, but what I understand is the visual voicemail feature may only work with Cingular. Is that correct? One of my biggest complaints about Treo is having to listen to all my messages to get to the last one. UGH.

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I am really excited about the iPhone - I just hope that they offer an $800 unlocked 8gig version as well as the $600 locked one. P800->the wife, iPhone->me!

I actually had to go lie down for a bit instead of doing the F5 refresh on the engadget coverage - I just couldn't stand it, the pleasure was so intense.
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post #187 of 437
1/9/07 at 4:52pm
The phone had a memory slot so I could trade out cards. 8 gig doesn't seem like much for as much video as I have. Would be very nice not to have to choose for when I am on the road. Will I be able to download from iTunes directly to the iPhone? Not sure if that was mentioned.
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post #188 of 437
1/9/07 at 4:54pm
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If they take all of that stuff out, you're left with a Nano in an enclosure that is the size of a full iPod. If they are going to mod the iPhone into just an iPod, it will have a hard drive -- maybe 40/100 GB versions.

Yup, and that's what I want! I want flash memory for better reliability, lighter and thinner, and better battery life. 16 or 32 Gb is adequate storage for me. 8 gigs for music, and the rest for photos and videos.
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post #189 of 437
1/9/07 at 5:06pm
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Ya, it seems pretty funny now, doesn't it? Can you imagine what the guys over at Palm and RIM are thinking this afternoon? Oh! to be a fly on the wall in those meetings!

Their stocks tanked upon Apple's announcement!

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post #190 of 437
1/9/07 at 5:11pm
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You know guys, I'm sorry if I'm offending any of you, I am just really disapointed. .....Just so you know I was disapointed with the ITV and well and Bill Gate's CES keynote was underwhelming too .....Anyway, I make gobs of money, doing what I do. Technology and new gadgets are my favorite bad investment. etc etc

Yup. Your "bad investment" to the tune of $7.10 per share.

(Not bragging or anything -- just lucky) I made enough today (after taxes) to buy both the iPhone and the AppleTV!

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post #191 of 437
1/9/07 at 5:32pm
i want one and will get one in July..AFTER I read some reviews. We've yet to see this thing in real world testing, so don't laugh too hard just yet.
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post #192 of 437
1/9/07 at 5:35pm
I guess the other carriers will start taking some interest in the device now that Apple has moved it from the R&D labs to the market. It shouldn't be long before others offer iPhone compatible services.
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post #193 of 437
1/9/07 at 5:57pm
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Bring on the 4 core MBP, I'll take one of those as well.

That's quite the fantasy, at least for now. If you are lucky, mobile quad chips might be available in six months but I think it might not be until next year.
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1/9/07 at 6:08pm
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i want one and will get one in July..AFTER I read some reviews. We've yet to see this thing in real world testing, so don't laugh too hard just yet.

I am laughing (happy) only because of the profits -- sorry to be crude. Too bad I was stupid enough not to short the other 'smartphone' guys.....


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1/9/07 at 6:11pm
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Yeh slightly disappointed - the phones amazing and will start a revolution -but being in the UK it's going to be a while before it gets here. It would be good to have all those features on a 40GB iPod without the phone- I wonder what the new iPod will be like?

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I don't think the UK version will be too long in the making > www.leavingzune.com

Plus, once Apple release the phone to other networks (internationally) it'll be easier to get sim-free, unlocked, any network any plan anywhere iPhones.

Gotta say, top marks to Apple for releasing the perfect device at the perfect time. Amazing. Just a shame about Cingular. I'll have to wait for other network availability, as it'll be a cold day in heck before I sign a two-year contract with those jokers...
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post #196 of 437
1/9/07 at 6:25pm
Awesome product!

But when is it gonna be available in Australia? prob same time as asia! (2008 ), but with who vodaphone? 3? i would def switch to whoever if the data plans aren't too expensive.

as for people wanting 30gb iphone thats unrealistic think of the size it would be and what the cost would be! most user dont need it either. don't get me wrong i would love it, but ain't gonna happen any time soon. the ipod nanos with get a bump in gb size late this year and maybe the iphone next year, remember it doesn't get release in asia till next year.

surprised no mention about leopard though, guess later. new macbook (pros) around april time with leopard i reckon.

all i can say is least it gives us some time to save up some money first!
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1/9/07 at 6:30pm
The iPhone has another 6 months left to grow and develop. And with stories of Apple and Linksys striking a deal allowing BOTH companies to keep the same name suggests one thing, to me...

The said contract may be temporary patch so that apple can release a $350 iPod, and then slap on an additonal $150 to unlock hidden phone / internet features?

I cannot forsee any other reason as to why two companies starting the mobile phone market would AGREE to keep the same name. Remember when TigerDirect feared that Apple's Tiger OS would compete with sales? I think you see where I'm going.

EDIT: I also want to point out that, perhaps Apple doesn't want to give away all it's firepower. See how this device holds up before investing in massive phones. If that doesn't satisfy you, then I'd like to refrence a quote I heard from Xander on Buffy, "Aim low and avoid dissappointment." Of course this isn't a low standard, but nothing's worse than promising 30 - 100 (what, are you serious?) GB devices, and then failing to deliver, or having to push back the ship date.


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It is tough to see where the iPod goes from here.

The major attraction of switching to the iPhone, as it appears to me, is the new iPod interface, the addition of coverflow and the widescreen video capability.

And Apple knows that -- its almost certainly why they haven't announced a new iPod with that functionality and no phone attached. The iPod stuff will drag in switchers.

But I, and I would guess many other people, don't want to change my phone number, and don't want to use Cingular as my provider.

So when will I be able to upgrade my iPod without signing a contract?

Apple might wait a year or more to make the changes -- to prevent losing customers for its phone. But in the meantime it will seem far less attractive to buy a 5G iPod, given how good the new iPhone interface looks.

So how can Apple continue to innovate with the 5G, as it has to, and not cannibalise its iPhone sales?

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1/9/07 at 6:31pm
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I don't think the UK version will be too long in the making > www.leavingzune.com
Gotta say, top marks to Apple for releasing the perfect device at the perfect time.

Well, if you consider June the perfect time then yeah.


Cingular sucks in my area anyway. I have verizon and never have conversation problems except when I am on the phone with my cingular using friends. They drop calls like hookers dropping their panties.
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1/9/07 at 6:39pm
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Just a shame about Cingular. I'll have to wait for other network availability, as it'll be a cold day in heck before I sign a two-year contract with those jokers...

I think you may be waiting for a while. According to the keynote, Apple and Cinglular have signed an "exclusive, multi-year deal" for iPhone distribution in the US.
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1/9/07 at 6:56pm
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I think you may be waiting for a while. According to the keynote, Apple and Cinglular have signed an "exclusive, multi-year deal" for iPhone distribution in the US.

True... In the US... The iPhone is quad-band, so there'd be little stopping Apple releasing an unlocked model in Asia or Europe that would work anywhere else in the world.

£1000 a month Cingular bill is not fun. Neither is an additional $700 after the phone has been disconnected, plus disconnection charges, plus tax, plus all those other Cingular added expenses.

If Apple decide on complete exclusivity with big C, then I won't be getting one. For shame.
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