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Who actually uses Mobile versions of Word, Excel, and Powerpoint? May I ask why?

There does need to be a word and excel reader so you can view the documents, those two formats dominate e-mail. I agree power point is useless.

I think GPS would add expense for a function that is not widely used.
post #42 of 145
iwork and ilife should include the document readers for sure

i beleive GPS triangulation will be available..which is good enough
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There does need to be a word and excel reader so you can view the documents, those two formats dominate e-mail. I agree power point is useless.

I think GPS would add expense for a function that is not widely used.

So why suggest a version of iWork?
Preview with the ability to view Presentations and other Spreadsheet/Powerpoint/Text formats should work well enough.

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well i think 3G is just a bad idea..but im gonna go 50/50 on him placing hardware on the device for later 3G usages, he did say it was to come, maybe he is already implenting the hardware for it, hopefuly...

and i dont think it is the final device, he still has a while for FCC to approve it i think small things such as apps and gps on google maps as well as other cool feature may be included in the final design, especially the back of the phone, doesnt look finished at all to me

As far as Hardware goes, it's pretty much the Final Design.

I don't think he can rework it while the FCC is certifying it or they'd have to certify it again because technically it would be a different phone.

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post #45 of 145
Happy that they have iChat. They really should open up to 3rd parties apps, but Apple could keep a lock on what they allow. Some hacker will crack the restriction most likely anyway.
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I agree about not needing office or iwork, it's completely pointless, but Windows Mobile switchers might want it, plus that's just my dream on what it'll have in June. Obviously we still don't know much about the phone's specs or capabilities in detail.
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ya and i agree with Sebastian, im gonna have to say that maybe 3rd party programs are not such a good idea...dealing with smartphones for a couple years now, and now owning a tmobile Dash, i have lots of apps on here yet they really bug my phone up, i can hardly restart it when i need to it just crashes...i think having developers go through apple first is a good idea, im sure these will become widgets too
post #48 of 145
Apple advertises about how iSync works with so many different phones, I highly doubt that they wouldn't allow Contacts/To Do Lists/Calendar bluetooth syncing.
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ya and i agree with Sebastian, im gonna have to say that maybe 3rd party programs are not such a good idea...dealing with smartphones for a couple years now, and now owning a tmobile Dash, i have lots of apps on here yet they really bug my phone up, i can hardly restart it when i need to it just crashes...i think having developers go through apple first is a good idea, im sure these will become widgets too

First someone disagreed with me by agreeing with me in another thread and now someone is agreeing with me by disagreeing with me

If you mean my FCC comments, Apple may already have plans for Software, it wouldn't exactly change the phone either.

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ya thats what i mean, apple will develope their own im sure
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ya thats what i mean, apple will develope their own im sure

Sadly the iPhone development platform won't be a game breaker for me, but I was really looking forward to developing for it. I'm not much of a programmer now but I'm studying Python and Objective-C and the iPhone would tie in so perfectly with my first planned project.

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post #52 of 145
maybe u should still work on it and later down the road you could release it and be the new steve jobs....never know lol
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maybe u should still work on it and later down the road you could release it and be the new steve jobs....never know lol

Haha, it would be more like a Tie In Project. But I'm not going to work on something I can't release or even use.

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One thing that concerns the hell out of me is what Cingular (to be just AT&T by the time iPhone releases) is going to do with minute and data plans for this thing. My dad uses a an HP Pocket PC and his unlimited data plan is something like $20 a month, not including his minute rate. That's simply amazing. If iPhone has anything different, I'm going to flip a lid and let AT&T hear it.

However, on that same note, I think a special data plan should be made to promote all of iPhone's features, particularly the fact that you can surf the Internet on a true browser. Personally, I'd like to see an unlimited data/message plan for a very reasonable price. Minutes, they should stay the same, but I think data/message plan prices should be lowered to promote the many features that are offered.
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well, looks like it will be $20, and i think job's said theyre makking a data plan just for the iphone as well..but the phone is considered under the smartphone connect for $20, but im going to the the MEdia Max 3000 for $39.99, mms, 3000 sms and unlimited data
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My Cingular plan right now uses MEdia Net Basic: 1MB data transfer, 200 SMS (text), and 40 MMS (multimedia) per month. I'd obviously want to up that to unlimited everything, but that'd probably be rather costly. I don't use my MMS a lot, but I would if I got the iPhone (especially if it had video, COUGH). But, see, that's why I'm waiting to see what's up, I think that's best.
post #57 of 145
I don't get it.

This thing SUCKS.

Battery life is shit, and without tactile input, it can't be used in a car or other situations where you want to just hit a key and speed dial without looking. As a phone, it's shit. This is going to TANK unless they fix it FAST.

Sorry...this thing is a piece. Oh yeah, and just Cingular? What a joke.

And the PRICE!? Yeah. Right. Nice. Try. Game. Over. After the fanboise get it, this thing's sales will fall to 0 unless they change it.

I really wanted to like it. I mean, you guys are talking about widgets. It's a PHONE. That's 50% of its function. And as a phone, it sucks.

I bet 2.0 will be good though. I'm banking on it. I hope they will have Verizon. If so, I'll buy it. It just needs to cost half as much, work with all networks, increase the battery several-fold, and have at LEAST a call button that calls the last dialed number (as in, a REAL BUTTON.) AND perhaps another button that is assignable (to say a number, song, function, etc.)
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post #58 of 145
I could be wrong, but I'm guessing that one of the things Apple extracted out of Cingular/ATT for the exclusive deal is some kind of reasonable flat rate for unlimited data, for iPhone customers.

It just strikes my as the kind of thing Apple would do, if they possibly could-- make simplifying the ownership experience part of the iPhone mystique. We all ready know that Cingular agreed to change some of their back-end stuff to make random access vm possible, so who knows what else Steve got out of them?

I mean, if he knows smart phone interfaces are broken, Steve must be aware that the whole cell carrier contract process is broken as well.

It would be ironic if the fruits of the apparent capitulation to evil cell carriers-- 2 year lock in-- were to be the beginning of taking the customer experience out of their hands and putting it with the phone manufacturers, where it properly resides.

Just provide us with ubiquitous, high-speed connectivity, charge a flat rate, then get the hell out of the way and let companies like Apple innovate the hell out the devices that use that connectivity.

The cell carriers vainglorious dreams of being in charge of how and where and what we move around on ubiquitous digital nets must end. Cingular is not a content provider, and I hope that the iPhone deal means they are starting to become willing to accept that, and that other will follow suit.
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I don't get it.

This thing SUCKS.

Battery life is shit, and without tactile input, it can't be used in a car or other situations where you want to just hit a key and speed dial without looking. As a phone, it's shit. This is going to TANK unless they fix it FAST.

Sorry...this thing is a piece. Oh yeah, and just Cingular? What a joke.

And the PRICE!? Yeah. Right. Nice. Try. Game. Over. After the fanboise get it, this thing's sales will fall to 0 unless they change it.

I really wanted to like it. I mean, you guys are talking about widgets. It's a PHONE. That's 50% of its function. And as a phone, it sucks.

I bet 2.0 will be good though. I'm banking on it. I hope they will have Verizon. If so, I'll buy it. It just needs to cost half as much, work with all networks, increase the battery several-fold, and have at LEAST a call button that calls the last dialed number (as in, a REAL BUTTON.) AND perhaps another button that is assignable (to say a number, song, function, etc.)

1) Multi-year contract with Cingular - Don't expect a Verizon version soon. Verizon is no better than Cingular, and no worse as well.
2) Apple will not add buttons.
3) You never mentioned storage - thats my big problem with it.
4) 1.5 is likely to come in October with increased memory and more software.
5) The current video iPod will likely be upgraded to similar Multi-Touch interface or there will be an in betwteen product without the phone.
6) I agree Price is high but it is good to consider that it is a full iPod and a full phone + more.
7) It is a good phone with virtually all function and more from the looks of it. What does your phone do that you would like this to do? If you claim iPhone dosn't do that for sure, you can't say that because software isn't done.
8 ) I don't recommend ANYBODY use ANY cell phone in their car. It's a bad idea and studys have shown that it is much likely to cause more accidents. The touch screen if mounted in the right location seems like it would be EASIER to operate in the car.
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I don't get it.

This thing SUCKS.

Battery life is shit, and without tactile input, it can't be used in a car or other situations where you want to just hit a key and speed dial without looking. As a phone, it's shit. This is going to TANK unless they fix it FAST.

Sorry...this thing is a piece. Oh yeah, and just Cingular? What a joke.

And the PRICE!? Yeah. Right. Nice. Try. Game. Over. After the fanboise get it, this thing's sales will fall to 0 unless they change it.

I really wanted to like it. I mean, you guys are talking about widgets. It's a PHONE. That's 50% of its function. And as a phone, it sucks.

I bet 2.0 will be good though. I'm banking on it. I hope they will have Verizon. If so, I'll buy it. It just needs to cost half as much, work with all networks, increase the battery several-fold, and have at LEAST a call button that calls the last dialed number (as in, a REAL BUTTON.) AND perhaps another button that is assignable (to say a number, song, function, etc.)

hmmm...ok well

battery life is actually very good..go do some research first (phonescoop.com) compared to other smartphones

should have speed dial, but most important i think it will be voice recognition,so you dont really have to push anything but ur bluetooth headset...genious

price....well if you remember correctly the RAZR was just another phone, but was also very thin thats all...and that started at about the same price, most smartphones are also tagged between 250-400 depending on options, my tmobile dash was $320 and isnt that great

its not just a phone its 3 things together, internet communicator, phone, and IPOD....it all functions equally alike none is more important than the other to most people buying the iphone, ya sure it has a phone but thats not all its for, widgets(apps) is a huge part of it just like 3rd party apps are huge on smartphones

this phone will never have verizon at launch, maybe in 3 years but then 2.0 will be out and once again be cingular (gsm) exclusive, by then we should expect 3G, actually im going to say that the 1st iphone will have 3G now that Job's has made it official to a software update only

and having a call button erases the whole purpose of the phone, how bout you read a thing or two before you start trashing one of the most revolutionary ideas to the cell phone

and stop trolling your making yourself look like an ass
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If you don't think the iPhone is revolutionary, you need to rethink your life. Seriously. I'm not being a fanboy (and I'm not, I'm pro-Windows, pro-Microsoft, pro-Gates, yet pro-iPod [and now pro-iPhone]), but the iPhone is just amazing. While $600 is a WHOLE LOTTA money to be paying out for a phone, remember that you're getting a mobile computer and an iPod all-in-one.

I'm just saying, I'm willing to wait a year or so to get a newer version and my own contract (family plans suck, btw). I cant' wait to see what Apple does with this device. There's still room for so much more (software wise), the widgets leave the device open-ended.

And about that, widgets should not be 100% 3rd party. Apple should have to inspect all software and approve it before allowing it (via coding and such) to run on iPhone. Too many 3rd party widgets would ruin the iPhone and exploit it and cause a bunch of problems.
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I don't get it.

This thing SUCKS.

Battery life is shit, and without tactile input, it can't be used in a car or other situations where you want to just hit a key and speed dial without looking. As a phone, it's shit. This is going to TANK unless they fix it FAST.

Sorry...this thing is a piece. Oh yeah, and just Cingular? What a joke.

And the PRICE!? Yeah. Right. Nice. Try. Game. Over. After the fanboise get it, this thing's sales will fall to 0 unless they change it.

I really wanted to like it. I mean, you guys are talking about widgets. It's a PHONE. That's 50% of its function. And as a phone, it sucks.

I bet 2.0 will be good though. I'm banking on it. I hope they will have Verizon. If so, I'll buy it. It just needs to cost half as much, work with all networks, increase the battery several-fold, and have at LEAST a call button that calls the last dialed number (as in, a REAL BUTTON.) AND perhaps another button that is assignable (to say a number, song, function, etc.)

I think this post should be mounted in the public square so we can all point and laugh at Aquatic when the iPhone proves to be a pivotal development in the history of the personal technology, which it most certainly is.
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post #63 of 145
When the RAZR came out, it original was sold at full price, no discounts. Period. End of story. But shortly thereafter the price started to fall... not because Motorola changed it's price but because carriers picked up the tab to reel in customers

I honestly don't think cingular will do this (or to be more precise, I don't think Apple will let them because that will kill Apple's method of distribution), but isn't it possible cingular will take off $100 of the cost after a few months just because that will get them a two year contact where $100 is likely barely two months worth of bills.

At any rate, expect an iPhone 1.5 in October(ish). This iPhone will likely just contain a memory boost and/or price cut (more likely the first), and new software.
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Edge is 3 to 4 times faster than GPRS, and gives pretty useable speeds, in real life. Of course, not for downloads, but for web browsing, even on a Macbook, very tolerable.
However, for Europe, there is no way this phone will seel through any serious network (T mobile in Germany, Vodafone in UK or any network in Italy) without 3G.

This may in fact explain the six months gap between market dates in the US and Europe, because i am pretty sure that the European version will also include 3G.

Finally, i would like to point out that, in countries where Wi-Fi is ubiquitous and cheap enough, the 3G issue becomes moot.

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PS: i want one as soon as it's available in Europe !
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However, for Europe, there is no way this phone will sell through any serious network (T mobile in Germany, Vodafone in UK or any network in Italy) without 3G.

This may in fact explain the six months gap between market dates in the US and Europe, because i am pretty sure that the European version will also include 3G.

I agree 100%.

I'm in London and there's no cheap/free municipal wireless here. I think that sort of thing might be more common in the USA. I can get it at my university, but nowhere else. That's why 3G is so important to the European launch, and I'm sure Jobs knows this. I however read quite a discouraging article in the Times the other day about the bid for iPhone in Europe - apparently Telefonica SA are leading the bidding (they own O2 in the UK) - the article pointed out that since the iPhone isn't 3G compatible, the UK network "3" is ruled out, and that they aren't very happy about this. But surely if 3G was coming in time for launch, this wouldn't matter, which makes me doubt whether this is the case. Make what you will of that, anyway.
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lets talk memory
in order to plan what is a typical itunes video file size, he demoed pirates so how many movies could you keep. i'd like the idea of using this in my car connected to a screen.

if say you could keep 4-6 movies AND a few hundred pictures to show granny and 250+songs like the shuffle.

as far as other apps, i would think to move into enterprise it must be able to at least display word docs, spreadsheets +/- it would be cool to carry your keynote presentation with you....is SJ looking to make enterprise expansion. would a corp hand these out instead of blackberry????

if it had an expansion slot so you could add memory

is 2.5 g software upgradable to 3g??? if it can be used abroad then don't they have more 3g then us and thus 3g now???. i don't understand this gsm thing would it require a new chip???

I DON'T LIKE that the battery isn't consumer changeable, that means if you need a new one (always the case) that you have to send it in and lose your phone for a week or so.....maybe they give out loaner go phones ha ha

edge is dialup, webpages are more rich, flash is needed, and internet access needs the speed

is wifi wimax compatible

and what about using that screen if it has a protective case.....there is no way i am buying this big dollar gizmo without a good case....like my bodyglove, wont that mess up the screen use???

why june???? are they waiting for more 3g?? and how much of each call and data package is apple getting. with this wow phone it would be a snap for mvno, but cingular and all telco don't want the telco monopoly to be eroded by apple. i bet an apple mvno option scared cingular into submission. so does apple get a play from the phone use revenue side??? here was there oportunity to make the dollars

lots of questions
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post #67 of 145
I don't see them providing user-expandable memory, that's not Apple's style at all. It'd be nice if they'd finally concede and make the battery user replaceable, though. If you noticed, they were quite quiet on battery life, not providing a standby figure, for example, Maybe this is something they're still finalising, and hopefully at some stage that Digg guy's dual-battery hypothesis will come true.
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I think a video link via skype or some such communication system is a killer application that would come natural to iPhone. One camera to shoot video (talk face to face perhaps even conference call) and another to shoot stills. The video camera could swivel from front to back! Love that idea and it certainly would further distinguish Apple's iPhone from the rest of the pack!
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kfdan, while it's a good idea, it's not happening anytime soon. Video conferencing is unnecessary at this time, but I still think that the ability to record movies via the camera is.
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However, for Europe, there is no way this phone will seel through any serious network (T mobile in Germany, Vodafone in UK or any network in Italy) without 3G.

This may in fact explain the six months gap between market dates in the US and Europe, because i am pretty sure that the European version will also include 3G.

Finally, i would like to point out that, in countries where Wi-Fi is ubiquitous and cheap enough, the 3G issue becomes moot.

You hit the nail on the head. I'd bet the price of the phone that the European version will have 3G. The reason the U.S. version won't have 3G, according to a Cingular rep friend of mine (from a couple of months ago), the 3G network is "broken" (his exact words). I didn't have time to dig into it with him but aside from that it doesn't seem like 3G (at least Cingular's) penetration is high enough. WiFi is my friend. 8)
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ya no 3G at this moment is a good way to go in the U.S. curently. I went to cingular this morning to see what the whole deal was, and they said that its good 3G wasnt involved yet, i told them Job's was considering a simple software update is this possible? he said sure the antennae and radios should be in the phone by shipment then all it is is a small update on the firmware, but dont count on Job's giving 3G for a while at least till 2008 because 3G is truely a "broken" solution currently until they get some more land usage from it
post #72 of 145
Pogue, a reporter for the NY Times, has a list of FAQs about the iPhone. He claims it won't sync with Outlook. Unless they make iCal/Address Book etc. for Windows, how will it sync? He also says no games! Apple shouldn't develop games for the iPod and not use them for the iPhone. He also claims it won't connect to iChat. He also claims no videocamera, but it might by June.

I dunno, I think the iPhone packs in a lot, but for a high end mid 2007 phone, it should have 3G, IM, and a videocam.
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uhh well i know theyre not sure about the video, but it might include games but they needed to be downloaded from itunes, this is not for sure its speculation from jobs, but iChat is a YES, it will include ichat thats for sure, AIM is a huge part of the phone and AIM being exclusive for ichat is a huge thing, almost every phone has it this wil too, this is also coming from the nytimes John Markoff

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/11/te...ge&oref=slogin

not only that but ichat is featured as a demo on Apple own website....
post #75 of 145
wow i just read all this and it is a load of crap..a lot of the features he told us about is actually on the phone already...
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Not to say the actually AIM iChat client won't be on the phone, but isn't a version of it already on the phone in SMS? Maybe they're thinking so many more people use SMS, why not just make that look like iChat?
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post #77 of 145
screw SMS i like to have AIM to see who is available online and speak with them through an instam messenger client, now i am really pist if the phone doesnt have this they just lost my business, and a lot of people who use it to speak with people a majority of the time
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lets talk memory
in order to plan what is a typical itunes video file size, he demoed pirates so how many movies could you keep. i'd like the idea of using this in my car connected to a screen.

if say you could keep 4-6 movies AND a few hundred pictures to show granny and 250+songs like the shuffle.

I have 3 Movies from iTunes, and now the Keynote is downloading.
Pirates of the Caribbean is 1.64 GB
Pirates of the Caribbean 2 is 1.74 GB
Casanova is 1.26 GB
The Macworld 2007 Keynote is 1.21 GB
That averages out to be about 1.4625 GB per movie, if you factor in that you'll only have around 7 GB to work with on the 8 GB model, you can fit about 4 or 5 Movies on there depending on how large they are. That leaves room for probably a little more then 2 GB of Pictures and Music, unless the system really does eat a full GB.

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as far as other apps, i would think to move into enterprise it must be able to at least display word docs, spreadsheets +/- it would be cool to carry your keynote presentation with you....is SJ looking to make enterprise expansion. would a corp hand these out instead of blackberry????

I highly doubt even Apple could pass up the chance for Software expansion, but it's a bit grim at the moment.

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if it had an expansion slot so you could add memory

It doesn't have one, the only expansion "slot" is the Dock Connector and the Headphone jack.

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is 2.5 g software upgradable to 3g??? if it can be used abroad then don't they have more 3g then us and thus 3g now???. i don't understand this gsm thing would it require a new chip???

I did some light reading (very light reading) on this and 3G requires the Hardware to be in place before you can even think of a Software update. If the iPhone doesn't have the required hardware it won't work with a sotware update.

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I DON'T LIKE that the battery isn't consumer changeable, that means if you need a new one (always the case) that you have to send it in and lose your phone for a week or so.....maybe they give out loaner go phones ha ha

Good point, then again maybe they can just open it up and change the Battery right there at the Genius Bar for you.

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edge is dialup, webpages are more rich, flash is needed, and internet access needs the speed

EDGE is about 4-5x faster then that, but it's close enough, Flash is needed and I hope it is in Safari

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is wifi wimax compatible

No, different standards. WiFi is 802.11 and WiMax is 802.16, but you can stick both in one device, the iPhone won't have WiMax though.
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and what about using that screen if it has a protective case.....there is no way i am buying this big dollar gizmo without a good case....like my bodyglove, wont that mess up the screen use???

I highly doubt Apple overlooked this and with 200+ Patents in the iPhone hopefully one of them takes care of this problem

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why june???? are they waiting for more 3g?? and how much of each call and data package is apple getting. with this wow phone it would be a snap for mvno, but cingular and all telco don't want the telco monopoly to be eroded by apple. i bet an apple mvno option scared cingular into submission. so does apple get a play from the phone use revenue side??? here was there oportunity to make the dollars

Apple has to wait till June for the FCC to certify the iPhone. They introduced the iPhone so the FCC wouldn't do it for them by releasing a document or something. It wouldn't be a snap to do MVNO, it would be very costly, and Apple chose Cingular because they had a great experience working together on the ROKR, which they chose then because they are the Nation's largest Wireless provider.

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Yeah does this thing have AIM? I mean if not..that's a fucking joke. SMS? LOL. Yeah. Right.

Does it even have Vibrate????

Piece of crap.

As per GPS, it's simpe. It should be a more expensive option. It would be killer.

But the most important thing about the iPhone, is, well, the PHONE. Which currently...sucks.
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Yeah does this thing have AIM? I mean if not..that's a fucking joke. SMS? LOL. Yeah. Right.

Does it even have Vibrate????

Piece of crap.

As per GPS, it's simpe. It should be a more expensive option. It would be killer.

But the most important thing about the iPhone, is, well, the PHONE. Which currently...sucks.

You sure make a lot of snap judgements without even using the phone
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