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Poll Results: What shoud Apple do about Cisco and iPhone name lawsuit?

Poll expired: Jan 18, 2007  
  • 32% (10)
    The two iPhones are different; keep name and fight!
  • 25% (8)
    Change the name and move on with life
  • 41% (13)
    Follow plan: get publicity, then change name as planned
31 Total Votes  
post #1 of 20
1/11/07 at 3:53am
Thread Starter 
This is a poll.

 

Your = the possessive of you, as in, "Your name is Tom, right?" or "What is your name?"

 

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Your = the possessive of you, as in, "Your name is Tom, right?" or "What is your name?"

 

You're = a contraction of YOU + ARE as in, "You are right" --> "You're right."

 

 

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post #2 of 20
1/11/07 at 4:19am
Seeing as how Googling iPhone -Apple -Cisco returns around 2 million results, I think it's safe to say that Cisco won't likely win a court battle.

Having a registered trademark isn't like a patent: you have to actively enforce trademarks in order to protect them, which they clearly haven't with any iPhone other than Apple's.

Further hurting their case is that trademark law is almost exclusively focused on protecting the consumer. In other words, trademark violations are only problematic in-so-far as a consumer would genuinely be confused. Therefore, even though Apple just announced the iPhone, since people were openly calling their phone the iPhone for months (years?), they likely have a stronger claim to the name. Instances like whatever blog it was that preannounced Cisco's iPhone as "the iPhone," where people assumed it would be the Apple iPhone, likely play to Apple's favor. The part where they had to emphasize that they did, in fact, own the trademark, also don't help.

Of course I'm no expert at law, though :P I'd be interested in shawnj's or melgross' opinions.
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post #3 of 20
1/11/07 at 4:23am
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Over on another site I saw something about future convergence: Apple's phone may take on VoIP and the Cisco (too close to Crisco) phone might take on cel capabilities, thus it being problematic.

 

Your = the possessive of you, as in, "Your name is Tom, right?" or "What is your name?"

 

You're = a contraction of YOU + ARE as in, "You are right" --> "You're right."

 

 

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Your = the possessive of you, as in, "Your name is Tom, right?" or "What is your name?"

 

You're = a contraction of YOU + ARE as in, "You are right" --> "You're right."

 

 

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post #4 of 20
1/11/07 at 4:43am
Option 4: Buy Cisco!
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post #5 of 20
1/11/07 at 4:52am
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Cisco is twice as big as Apple, so they can't buy 'em.

 

Your = the possessive of you, as in, "Your name is Tom, right?" or "What is your name?"

 

You're = a contraction of YOU + ARE as in, "You are right" --> "You're right."

 

 

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Your = the possessive of you, as in, "Your name is Tom, right?" or "What is your name?"

 

You're = a contraction of YOU + ARE as in, "You are right" --> "You're right."

 

 

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post #6 of 20
1/11/07 at 6:19am
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Originally Posted by Bergermeister View Post

Cisco is twice as big as Apple, so they can't buy 'em.

Option 5: Cisco buys Apple... Gameover

That'll never happen 8)

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post #7 of 20
1/11/07 at 6:40am
If Apple wants their trademarks to be respected then they have to respect others' trademarks as well.
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post #8 of 20
1/11/07 at 6:59am
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Very good point. Did you hear Job's comment about they patented the iPhone's cool bits and they will protect the patent?

 

Your = the possessive of you, as in, "Your name is Tom, right?" or "What is your name?"

 

You're = a contraction of YOU + ARE as in, "You are right" --> "You're right."

 

 

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Your = the possessive of you, as in, "Your name is Tom, right?" or "What is your name?"

 

You're = a contraction of YOU + ARE as in, "You are right" --> "You're right."

 

 

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post #9 of 20
1/11/07 at 7:31am
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Put this on the suit thread as well, but Amazon carries two iPhones currently, one by Cisco and one by another company.

http://www.amazon.com/iPhone-Skype-R...&s=electronics

I wonder if Apple may actually be able to keep the name afterall.

 

Your = the possessive of you, as in, "Your name is Tom, right?" or "What is your name?"

 

You're = a contraction of YOU + ARE as in, "You are right" --> "You're right."

 

 

Reply

 

Your = the possessive of you, as in, "Your name is Tom, right?" or "What is your name?"

 

You're = a contraction of YOU + ARE as in, "You are right" --> "You're right."

 

 

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post #10 of 20
1/11/07 at 7:56am
If I were Apple I would change the name to iPod phone. Everyone will call it an iPhone. Cisco may own the trademark but that'll be a hollow victory as everyone will associate the iPhone with Apple.
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post #11 of 20
1/11/07 at 8:00am
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Seeing as how Googling iPhone -Apple -Cisco returns around 2 million results, I think it's safe to say that Cisco won't likely win a court battle.

Judges often decide cases based on Google search results.

I wish Apple fanboys would learn when to shut the hell up.
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post #12 of 20
1/11/07 at 8:23am
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Originally Posted by Bergermeister View Post

Cisco is twice as big as Apple, so they can't buy 'em.

Of course the can. Or could, if they had had sufficient cash. Somehow I don't think their 10 billion dollar warchest is enough.

There's no need to pay in stock.
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post #13 of 20
1/11/07 at 8:38am
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Originally Posted by Bergermeister View Post

Very good point. Did you hear Job's comment about they patented the iPhone's cool bits and they will protect the patent?

What he said was that the touch screen aspect was patented by Apple and the phone is covered by 200 other patents. That doesn't mean they are all apple patients. In fact there is no way they can be. For example email on your phone is covered by another company. Apple would have to license that from them.
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post #14 of 20
1/11/07 at 11:47am
$150 of each iPhone sold goes directly to paying for licensing all the patents and trademarks used in the sucker.

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post #15 of 20
1/11/07 at 11:56am
i think Apple will change the name of iPhone. I think they just used that for now because everone is expecting it to be called iPhone. I also think that the Cisco lawsuit is designed not to defend their trademark, but for the free publicity for their phone.

Eventually I think we'll hear that Apple changed the name, when everyone is familiar with thier product.

I suggest lifePod.
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post #16 of 20
1/11/07 at 2:42pm
The Apple Inc. iPhone was made to iChat and VoIP.

Apple will pay a big ole settlement, we'll never know how much, and then the thing will be cellular, Skypeable, SMSable and iChatable.

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post #17 of 20
1/11/07 at 6:33pm
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Judges often decide cases based on Google search results.

I wish Apple fanboys would learn when to shut the hell up.

I wish global moderator's with no concept of trademark law would shut the hell up, or at least, obey their own posting guidelines :/

There's four iPhone's on the market. Apple's will be the fifth. You can't selectively protect your trademark from certain companies.
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post #18 of 20
1/11/07 at 6:42pm
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Seeing as how Googling iPhone -Apple -Cisco returns around 2 million results, I think it's safe to say that Cisco won't likely win a court battle.

Links from Google to stories about this has no relation to the efficacy of a trademark claim. That being said, I think Apple will settle with Cisco, since Cisco will be the ones who end up looking like dummies. Cisco's plan to get some publicity out of this will backfire.

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post #19 of 20
1/11/07 at 6:45pm
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Originally Posted by gregmightdothat View Post

I wish global moderator's with no concept of trademark law would shut the hell up, or at least, obey their own posting guidelines :/

There's four iPhone's on the market. Apple's will be the fifth. You can't selectively protect your trademark from certain companies.

Don't take it personally, I got called a fanboy once to.
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post #20 of 20
1/11/07 at 8:35pm
I voted for the second option because I think that Apple should move away from the "i" stuff. I don't really like it. I feel pretentious when I have to use, but that's me. I think Apple will go with the first option though. They will keep the name and fight for it. I think that they will win with an out of court settlement like with Creative (that was out of court right?).
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