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I think Apple has a golden opportunity to create the home server standard.
The AppleTV should be able to back up important files from from up to 5 Macs & PCs.
Backup is the killer app! Something nobody has made drop dead simple.
They should have called it the iVault and designed it to work with Leopard's Time Machine.

How much you want to make a bet that when Leopard is released Time Machine will work with Apple's new Airport Extreme wireless router. Remember, there's a USB port there to hook up an external USB drive...instant NAS. You didn't think Apple would leave you hanging with no storage options to point Time Machine to did you? 8)
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I thought it would use a 1.8" hard drive. A 40GB 2.5GB hard drive is a bit of a let down, albeit cheap. Why not offer a $349 option with an 80GB hard drive, or $399 with 120GB?

I don't have a clue, but I'd expect one of the first things someone would try is to replace the stock HD with a higher capacity HD. I'll bet one of the techy websites tries this after a teardown. Yes, you would void the warranty, but if it is known that this will work, some people will risk it.

I'm assuming that the stock drive doesn't have any "special sauce" and that it's a standard stock mac partition.
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post #43 of 145
If you hook the drive up to a computer along with another larger drive and clone it, why wouldn't it work? Unless they only allow the thing to address 40 GB of space...
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Originally Posted by krankerz View Post

I don't see why people keep bringing up non-widescreen TV's with component that are 480p. I have FOUR TV's in my house all of which are 4:3, have component inputs, but are only 480i. I KNOW that these types of TV's are out there (mainly because I own several). What about these TV's? Will they not be supported either?

According to the Apple posted specs, no, your 480i capable sets are not compatible with the AppleTV. Maybe it's an oversight on the spec sheet and the AppleTV will output 480i, but that's not what it currently says/does.

Since I'm using old 480i technology at home, the AppleTV is no good for me either
post #45 of 145
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Originally Posted by mikef View Post

According to the Apple posted specs, no, your 480i capable sets are not compatible with the AppleTV. Maybe it's an oversight on the spec sheet and the AppleTV will output 480i, but that's not what it currently says/does.

Since I'm using old 480i technology at home, the AppleTV is no good for me either

Mac mini and Front Row will do it.
post #46 of 145
I can't get over how much people are complaining about the AppleTV and the iPhone!

The AppleTV does exactly what it set out to do- provide an easy way for people to get their media from their macs to their TV's. Nothing more, nothing less.

It's a simple device that let's people do this and it does it well. Apple still wants people to use their computers as digital hubs, but this allows you to step away from your mac and view all of your iTunes media on a larger screen in your home theater.

They're aiming to provide an end to end solution for movies, photos, and music. You use your mac to purchase and organize your media and you have other devices (AppleTV, iPod, and iPhone) that can easily share and playback this media.

Simple- no complicated configuration, special codec support, etc. Simple Simple Simple.
post #47 of 145
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Originally Posted by Chucker View Post

A remote via WiFi? You have got to be kidding me. The battery life would be disastrous.

I'm not kidding. 802.11b is older tech uses very little power. Especially when you reduce the signal strength to only function within the size of a large room as there is no need for the signal to travel through several walls. It's quite feasible.
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post #48 of 145
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Originally Posted by tacojohn View Post

I can't get over how much people are complaining about the AppleTV and the iPhone!

They're aiming to provide an end to end solution for movies, photos, and music. You use your mac to purchase and organize your media and you have other devices (AppleTV, iPod, and iPhone) that can easily share and playback this media.

Simple- no complicated configuration, special codec support, etc. Simple Simple Simple.

But currently, ?tv is not really an end to end solution for media in the living room if you have to get up and go to your den to purchase a tv show, then go back in the living room to watch it.. ?tv needs to allow direct access to the iTunes store from your living room so you can sit on your couch, purchase a movie or tv show and begin watching immediately.. Until it does this, I think the Mac mini is a much better end to end media device.
post #49 of 145
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Originally Posted by solsun View Post

But currently, ?tv is not really an end to end solution for media in the living room if you have to get up and go to your den to purchase a tv show, then go back in the living room to watch it.. ?tv needs to allow direct access to the iTunes store from your living room so you can sit on your couch, purchase a movie or tv show and begin watching immediately.. Until it does this, I think the Mac mini is a much better end to end media device.

I thought it did do that, hence the pairing to only one machine (i.e.: one iTunes account). Maybe that was for only viewing movie trailers.
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post #50 of 145
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

I thought it did do that, hence the pairing to only one machine (i.e.: one iTunes account). Maybe that was for only viewing movie trailers.


Nope, there is currently no direct access to the iTunes store from Apple TV.. All iTunes content must be purchased from the host computer. A glaring oversight on Apples part in my opinion. I mean the device has an internet connection, a hard drive and it can stream, why on earth would they not allow you to purchase content directly from your couch?
post #51 of 145
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Originally Posted by solsun View Post

But currently, ?tv is not really an end to end solution for media in the living room if you have to get up and go to your den to purchase a tv show, then go back in the living room to watch it.. ?tv needs to allow direct access to the iTunes store from your living room so you can sit on your couch, purchase a movie or tv show and begin watching immediately.. Until it does this, I think the Mac mini is a much better end to end media device.

But you still have to get up, go to the Mac Mini and buy the content if you want to watch it. You haven't saved any time, plus, I don't want my HDTV being my computer monitor.

I think there's a lot of confusion as to the identity of this device. I think the 40GB drive was only intended as buffer space. If you're streaming the content over WiFi, why do want it on the device itself? I think Steve confused a lot of people in the Keynote by saying that you can sync ?tv and put iTS content on it. That made a lot of people think this thing was intended to be an alternative storage area. In that case a larger HDD would be warranted, but right now, if you're gonna watch 40GB of TV Shows or Movies before you sit down at your computer again, there may be a few issues for you to work out.

Where Apple will sell this to people is in their retail stores. Let the geeks fight about the specs on it, but if all the customer knows is that you have access to all of your digital media from your TV and sees one in action, they'll be sold I'm willing to bet Aunt Betty doesn't rip DVDs to DivX either, so the H.264 and MPEG-4 codecs (the iPod codecs) would be all it really has to support ... for right now...

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post #52 of 145
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Originally Posted by AgNuke1707 View Post

But you still have to get up, go to the Mac Mini and buy the content if you want to watch it. You haven't saved any time, plus, I don't want my HDTV being my computer monitor.

No you don't still have to get up. The Mac mini has bluetooth and Wifi.. If you put a wireless keyboard on your coffee table, you can purchase directly from iTunes, and then immediately access it via front row all from your couch.
post #53 of 145
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Originally Posted by solsun View Post

No you don't still have to get up. The Mac mini has bluetooth and Wifi.. If you put a wireless keyboard on your coffee table, you can purchase directly from iTunes, and then immediately access it via front row all from your couch.

IF you have a wireless keyboard. Not everyone DOES. And, if you can see the small type all the way from your couch, more power too you. I also don't want my keyboard hanging out at my coch where I can spill beer all over it

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post #54 of 145
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Originally Posted by AgNuke1707 View Post

IF you have a wireless keyboard. Not everyone DOES. And, if you can see the small type all the way from your couch, more power too you. I also don't want my keyboard hanging out at my coch where I can spill beer all over it

Well yes, you would have to BUY a wireless keyboard... And reading text on a 40" widescreen tv is not a problem at all... As far as spilling beer is concerned, well, that's a problem you'll have to solve on your own..

For me, the Mac mini makes much more sense as living room solution than Apple tv, at least with a mini, I can access, purchase and watch content without leaving the couch. I also get a bigger hard drive, a better processor, a dvd drive and iTunes/web access..
post #55 of 145
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Originally Posted by solsun View Post

Nope, there is currently no direct access to the iTunes store from Apple TV.. All iTunes content must be purchased from the host computer. A glaring oversight on Apples part in my opinion. I mean the device has an internet connection, a hard drive and it can stream, why on earth would they not allow you to purchase content directly from your couch?

That does bite. I figured that was the reason it paired with one--and only one-- iTunes account. I'm being optimistic and saying this feature will be available in the future as an iTunes on Demand feature.
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post #56 of 145
It's not a computer people. Not in the sense that it will need to provide you a word processor, complete MacOSX desktop, etc. It's just there for one job: providing a Front Row variant that streams and caches content. It should do that one job very good, nothing more.

Only, yes, I am a bit worried about the 40gb harddrive, but my guess is that it's mainly for caching stuff only.

Is it possible to record TV to the harddrive and burn it with a computer?
post #57 of 145
Someone said that within one year most Monitor will be 1080P or FullHD.....
Well it is already the case today. All new TV are either "FullHD" or "1080P" "capable" already. Or so the say.

But how many of them actually have the resolution of 1920x1080? i.e the 1080P / FullHD resolution? Very very little.

So instead of pointing the finger to apple / jobs. i think those TV manufacture should be the one to blame for fooling the market.

On a side-note 720P and 1080P aren't so much different on screen smaller then 42".

So i suppose itunes will soon sell 720P video then?

And the possibility of 1080P support? May be they will have to work with Nvida on hardware video acceleration. Since i dont think this spec is not capable of decoding 1080P.
post #58 of 145
Wow... "el-cheapo inside" sticker required.

I have a feeling this thing will go the same way as the iPod HiFi, destined to languish on the shelf.
post #59 of 145
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Originally Posted by deepdarkfunky View Post

wouldn't they want to use something from the ViiV platform?

I really thought the final product would have been some sort of Mac mini boosted with ViiV capabilities (remember the so-clalled Kaleidoscope project more than a year ago?).

Intel ViiV seems a very good solution. It is codec-independant. Moreover the software which does the trick is pretty OS-independant: it is a bit like a firmware on a chip (Intel calls it the Integrated Media Server software).
It takes any movie, and transcode it to a native DLNA-compliant codec (MPEG-2 or MPEG-4 H.264 for video; and LPCM, MP3 or AAC for audio) then sends it to the TV, so the user doesn't have to mess with codec installation.
Microsoft uses it in Windows MCE. Why didn't Apple use it too, with a sexier Front Row interface? It would have be so cool.

So what can Apple TV do compared to ViiV? Stream iTunes content only. Video files supported: .mov/.mp4/.m4v (MPEG-4 and H.264)
iTunes is based upon QuickTime. QuickTime can play .avi files with DivX/XVID codec -if the codecs are installed- but iTunes cannot! (try it)
To me, Apple TV seems castrated from start.
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Microsoft uses it in Windows MCE.

Microsoft uses what in MCE? Viiv? Viiv didn't even exist when the latest MCE was released.
post #61 of 145
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Originally Posted by mikef View Post

According to the Apple posted specs, no, your 480i capable sets are not compatible with the AppleTV. Maybe it's an oversight on the spec sheet and the AppleTV will output 480i, but that's not what it currently says/does.

Since I'm using old 480i technology at home, the AppleTV is no good for me either

I think any 4:3 TV will work on the following conditions:
1. (There is a component input OR you have a component-to-composite adapter) AND
2. Your TV is able to "detect" OR you can set your TV to "know" that it is a 16:9 signal,
.....ie. Your TV will letterbox 16:9 signals if it autodetects or you force it to letterbox.

That's my take on things. ...What's with the AppleTV bashing on this thread? 50 HOURS peoples... That's enough for mainstream use. Talking about a MEGA-NetworkAreaStorage is a bit tangential. Not what the AppleTV is designed for.

Yes, Apple is a profit whore, I agree. Their profit margins on this are sweet. Most importantly though, it is needed to drive growth of TV shows and movies and Macs and iPods.
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Microsoft uses what in MCE? Viiv? Viiv didn't even exist when the latest MCE was released.

Microsoft Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005 was the first OS to use ViiV (ViiV 1.0). And Media Center Extenders are DLNA Compliant (the transcoding trick). See point #4 on this page.
ViiV 1.5 is an update with Intel processors (PentiumD and Core Duo -> Core 2 Duo) and ViiV 2.0 changes some things with the transition to Vista.
post #63 of 145
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Microsoft Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005 was the first OS to use ViiV (ViiV 1.0). And Media Center Extenders are DLNA Compliant (the transcoding trick). See point #4 on this page.
ViiV 1.5 is an update with Intel processors (PentiumD and Core Duo -> Core 2 Duo) and ViiV 2.0 changes some things with the transition to Vista.

What are you talking about? Viiv 1.0 wasn't even released until January 5, 2006. Media Center Center Edition 2005 was released on October 12, 2004. That's well over a year before that. Viiv 1.5 isn't out yet.



And the page you're linking to was written almost a year after MCE 2005 had been out, and months before Viiv was.
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What are you talking about? Viiv 1.0 wasn't even released until January 5, 2006. Media Center Center Edition 2005 was released on October 12, 2004. That's well over a year before that. Viiv 1.5 isn't out yet.



And the page you're linking to was written almost a year after MCE 2005 had been out, and months before Viiv was.

My link is not the latest. But two separate products coming at different dates on the market and from different companies does not prevent these partners from working on an interoperable solution. MS and Intel worked on this thing before ViiV ever came out, not after. And this Integrated Media Server Software does not lie into the OS. What do you do of all these Media Center PCs having the ViiV logo on their case? They don't exist?
BTW here is the ViiV Supported Operating System info page on Intel's web site.

In this PDF from Intel (2006) you can see some info about DLNA transcoding in ViiV.

And I've just saw why I could not find any recent document about the "Integrated Media Server". It's because Intel renamed this engine to Smart Streaming Technology.
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I'm a bit confused - can someone explain why I would need to sync my iTunes content onto the Apple TV's hard drive, if I can stream all the content I want over the air? For a lot of users, I agree, 40gb is less than their iTunes library and this therefore raises questions about what gets synced and what doesn't, and do we enter manual mode somehow if this happens...but if the wireless network will support streaming video (which would be the hungriest bandwidth-wise), then I don't understand why I'd need to have my data in two places (my mac and my Apple TV)?

I guess it'll come down to speed, i.e. content on the hard drive will be accessed faster. But either I'm misunderstanding something or my requirements are different to most people, because I would assume that if there is ANY slowdown or frame loss for streamed video, then the device becomes pretty pointless (for video anyway). And if there ISN'T any slowdown, then we're back to my original question - what's the point in syncing to the hard drive?

Any ideas?

You can sync content to the Apple TV so that you don't actually need the have the computer on as well to watch content. It gives you the option to stream or to store locally, i.e. more flexibility.

You can select what you want to be synced, e.g. playlists, latest 10 TV programs / movies downloaded, specific photo albums, etc.

I think it is a great idea to have local content that is constantly updated in the background.

Ian
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Originally Posted by Cosmos 1999 View Post

My link is not the latest. But two separate products coming at different dates on the market and from different companies does not prevent these partners from working on an interoperable solution. MS and Intel worked on this thing before ViiV ever came out, not after. And this Integrated Media Server Software does not lie into the OS. What do you do of all these Media Center PCs having the ViiV logo on their case? They don't exist?
BTW here is the ViiV Supported Operating System info page on Intel's web site.

Yes, Viiv supports MCE. No, MCE is not based on Viiv. It doesn't require Viiv, and it doesn't take advantage of Viiv. Perhaps the next MCE version will, but I don't believe so.
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Originally Posted by jp_flashman View Post

interesting that apple TV has a better graphics processor than the macbook!

This really pisses me off. Oh, Apple can't use a good GPU in the Macbooks and Mini because of form factor and price. F*ck you Apple.

This card is better than the GMA for these reasons:

GMA: shader model 2, 3DMark06 = 170, shared DDR2 memory, no Hardware T&L
7400: shader model 3, 3DMark06 = 800, dedicated GDDR3 memory, Hardware T&L



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So i suppose itunes will soon sell 720P video then?

I hope that's the plan and that the iTV is capable of it. The cynical part of me is wondering if the 720p is only there for showing iPhoto slideshows.

So now we know the RUMOURED video hardware - anyone know if it's capable of 720p or greater?
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But currently, ?tv is not really an end to end solution for media in the living room if you have to get up and go to your den to purchase a tv show, then go back in the living room to watch it.. ?tv needs to allow direct access to the iTunes store from your living room so you can sit on your couch, purchase a movie or tv show and begin watching immediately.. Until it does this, I think the Mac mini is a much better end to end media device.


I think you are missing the absolutely massive point here. I (and I'm sorry for swearing) don't want to buy another fucking computer only so that I can watch movies on my TV. Sure the Mac Mini would work, but set up with a TV would make it an impractical computer. But more importantly a Mac Mini is twice the price for something that I would use merely an extension. This isn't mentioning that I would have to authorise another computer just for the sake of movies.

The Apple TV is intended to be an enhancement of the services on your computer. It makes no difference about what hardware is in the thing. It has a few very simple tasks to perform and I'm sure as it is a dedicated system is perfectly capable of doing them. I'm sure Jobs would have had his whip out if it wasn't up to his (incredibly high) standards.

I surf the internet, download stuff, with the computer because it has a keyboard. Are you intending to disturb the balance of the living room by chucking a whole irritating bunch of additional computer peripherals in just for the convenience of being able to download a movie and then watch it instantly. In fact, why doesn't Apple make a new wireless controller with multi-touch interface costing an extra £200. That's like buying a brand new sports car to get your kids to school quicker. Get real. Buy your movies in advance and press "sync"... it isn't hard.

I think this a great product and I'm a tad pissed off with myself because I had the whole living room wired to get my iTS content on my TV.
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Taking any bets how long it takes for some group to get Linux run on it?? At $299 bucks the machine has quite a lot going for it (and I'm just talking about hardware and elegance). I can't imagine it'll be too long before we see MythTV based AppleTVs along with a host of other special purpose linux devices...

Here's some of the things I love to see:

Access to the standard:

iMovies
iTunes
iPhoto

Additional access to:

MAME
Insert any/all other popular emulators
Home Automation (ala web access to Indigo)
TV Guide listings
Weather / News Feeds
Sports and such....

You get the idea

I'm betting for those additional features it wouldn't be too much work to somehow add/hack them in.

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Originally Posted by MacSuperiority View Post

Too bad there not passing the savings on to the consumer. This box probably costs them $150 max.

I'm sure it does, and I don't have a problem with that.

The people that have a problem with this just don't understand any of the complexities or costs of bringing a product to market. In other words, the incremental costs of the hardware don't even begin to tell of those expenses. To illustrate this, Apple's average net margin is about 10%, not 50% as you might suggest.
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Originally Posted by jp_flashman View Post

interesting that apple TV has a better graphics processor than the macbook!

With the M there's probably no way to get solid 720p playback without PureVideo.

Kind of a bummer as 1080 is a non-starter if the M is underclocked unless the G72M on aTV performs better than the stock 7400 which tops out at 10-11 mpbs output rate according to nVidia.

Shame...there are several SOC solutions that would have work about as well. Either that or Apple or nVidea really improved H.264 performance for PureVideo.

Vinea
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Originally Posted by DaveGee View Post

Taking any bets how long it takes for some group to get Linux run on it?? At $299 bucks the machine has quite a lot going for it (and I'm just talking about hardware and elegance). I can't imagine it'll be too long before we see MythTV based AppleTVs along with a host of other special purpose linux devices...

Here's some of the things I love to see:

Access to the standard:

iMovies
iTunes
iPhoto

Additional access to:

MAME
Insert any/all other popular emulators
Home Automation (ala web access to Indigo)
TV Guide listings
Weather / News Feeds
Sports and such....

You get the idea

I'm betting for those additional features it wouldn't be too much work to somehow add/hack them in.

Dave

ITS NOT A COMPUTER and no doubt will be missing some items from preventing it from ever being one, like IO for Keyboard / Mouse, etc.
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Originally Posted by Johnny Mozzarella View Post

Actually the official thech specs list it as "USB 2.0 (for service and diagnostics)"
This is the biggest let down for me.
I would have gotten one if I could of attached an external HD to supplement the 40GB internal drive.

I think Apple has a golden opportunity to create the home server standard.
The AppleTV should be able to back up important files from from up to 5 Macs & PCs.
Backup is the killer app! Something nobody has made drop dead simple.
They should have called it the iVault and designed it to work with Leopard's Time Machine.

Yes, but if I wanted a big stack o noisy HDs next to my TV I'd just use a regular computer configured as a HTPC rather than aTV.

I suspect they are positioning the new Airport for this. Airport next to the cable modem with a HD attached available wirelessle over draft-N allowed disconnected (except for power) Timemachine backups of MacBooks and MBPs. A real Apple NAS at some point would also be welcome.

aTV will make someone a nice linux machine.

Vinea
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Originally Posted by DaveGee View Post

Taking any bets how long it takes for some group to get Linux run on it?? At $299 bucks the machine has quite a lot going for it (and I'm just talking about hardware and elegance). I can't imagine it'll be too long before we see MythTV based AppleTVs along with a host of other special purpose linux devices...

I'm sure someone will have Linux on it in short time. But, at $299, you won't see too many people doing too much with them. You can get a used Xbox for $100 or less and do most of the same things, or even buy a whole computer with better specs for $300.

These will be nice for Linux when you can pick them up for $150 or less.
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Yes, but if I wanted a big stack o noisy HDs next to my TV I'd just use a regular computer configured as a HTPC rather than aTV.

I suspect they are positioning the new Airport for this. Airport next to the cable modem with a HD attached available wirelessle over draft-N allowed disconnected (except for power) Timemachine backups of MacBooks and MBPs. A real Apple NAS at some point would also be welcome.

Hard drives aren't that loud these days. Just don't pick an enclosure with a loud fan and it's fine. Drop in a Samsung drive and you probably will not notice it was there even if a random seek test was done on it.
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ITS NOT A COMPUTER and no doubt will be missing some items from preventing it from ever being one, like IO for Keyboard / Mouse, etc.

Linux hackers... Keyboards?!!? We don't neeeeed no stinkin keyboards

I've got a 200MHz (?) NSLU2 (linksys hard drive network sharing device) that I've since rebranded with linux and now it can provide a ton of other functions! For $99 it's pretty cool actually!

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I think you are missing the absolutely massive point here. I (and I'm sorry for swearing) don't want to buy another fucking computer only so that I can watch movies on my TV. Sure the Mac Mini would work, but set up with a TV would make it an impractical computer. But more importantly a Mac Mini is twice the price for something that I would use merely an extension. This isn't mentioning that I would have to authorise another computer just for the sake of movies.

The Apple TV is intended to be an enhancement of the services on your computer. It makes no difference about what hardware is in the thing. It has a few very simple tasks to perform and I'm sure as it is a dedicated system is perfectly capable of doing them. I'm sure Jobs would have had his whip out if it wasn't up to his (incredibly high) standards.

I surf the internet, download stuff, with the computer because it has a keyboard. Are you intending to disturb the balance of the living room by chucking a whole irritating bunch of additional computer peripherals in just for the convenience of being able to download a movie and then watch it instantly. In fact, why doesn't Apple make a new wireless controller with multi-touch interface costing an extra £200. That's like buying a brand new sports car to get your kids to school quicker. Get real. Buy your movies in advance and press "sync"... it isn't hard.

I think this a great product and I'm a tad pissed off with myself because I had the whole living room wired to get my iTS content on my TV.

I disagree, I don't think I've missed the point massively.. In fact, I think Apple missed the mark as far as what consumers need/want to make this a real killer living room product.

I agree that a Mac mini may be overkill for the living room, but a mini is currently the only way to be able to do what I would want in a living room device.. Apple Tv is already a computer, so all Apple had to do was create a way for it to interface with the iTunes store for Movies and Tv show purchases on demand... They could have done it so it would be all menu driven (without the need for a keyboard,) so that consumers could watch movie previews and be able to immediately purchase and watch all from their couch.

Microsoft managed to make an on demand movie service with the Xbox 360 which offers both purchase and rental options as well as full HD resolution... Apple could have (and should have) done it better.
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I surf the internet, download stuff, with the computer because it has a keyboard. Are you intending to disturb the balance of the living room by chucking a whole irritating bunch of additional computer peripherals in just for the convenience of being able to download a movie and then watch it instantly. In fact, why doesn't Apple make a new wireless controller with multi-touch interface costing an extra £200. That's like buying a brand new sports car to get your kids to school quicker. Get real. Buy your movies in advance and press "sync"... it isn't hard.
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To further elaborate on my above post... If Apple did it right, extra peripherals would not be needed... Purchases through Apple tv could be done with the simple Apple remote.. A menu based navigation with categories like "new releases," "dramas," "comedies" etc. etc... move up and down through the categories, press the menu button to watch the trailer, and press menu again to purchase and begin downloading.. The hardware is already capable of this, a software interface to the iTunes store is all that's needed.
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Seriously, WHY is there a Hard Drive in this thing? It makes NO SENSE! If it can stream at 300Mb/s, that should be plenty quick for any 802.11n-equipped computer. So assuming that one's AppleTV gets its media from a "host computer" (which is in turn connected to the iTS), everything on the AppleTV would be a duplicate of content on the host computer -- a device which could just as well be streaming the data. Apple could have cut the price by almost $50 by not including the 40GB HD. Very unwise, if you ask me.

Alternatively, they could've added another HD plus a slightly beefier processor and made the device, in effect, a 80GB, dual-turner DVR/media streamer (granted it would probably be a little thicker). Since DVRs are all the rage these days, Apple could see the DVR features available today and raise media streaming... all for a very low price of $400, flat.

Perhaps this will be a future version of the device, and Apple might just be testing the waters, but if the device fails, primarily because it doesn't include DVR capabilities, the AppleTV will not have a second chance. Apple needs to get the product right the first time, not the second time. Same goes for all their computers/devices, practically... 2nd gen is always better. I know I'll receive some flak for saying this, but that's why I'm waiting for the 2nd gen iPhone... that and I don't have money for it now . A big wedding is coming up!

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