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A new build of Mac OS X "Leopard" released by Apple this week carries with it a handful of visible improvements and a slightly longer laundry list of known issues, AppleInsider has learned.

Released Wednesday evening, Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard build 9A343 is the first software build of the next-generation operating system to escape the company's Cupertino fortress since build 9A321 broke free in mid-December.

According to those people familiar with the latest seed, Apple continues to keep a close wrap on Leopard's "top secret" features and ongoing development efforts, setting forth only a modicum of changes.

Those improvements apparent in build 9A343 are reportedly less than appetizing and include updated QuickLook APIs and a new "HIRect/Point/Shape-based Window Manager API for resolution independence compatibility."

Of added significance, say those familiar with the software, are updates to the Mac OS X Terminal application which deliver tab support and the ability to save a multi-window configurations through workspaces.

"Settings are now stored in Terminal 'Profiles' rather than .term files," Apple is also reported to have told its developers in documentation accompanying the latest Leopard pre-release. The company said old default .term settings can be migrated automatically on first launch of the updated application or users can choose to import arbitrary settings files if they wish.

Apple has maintained that it does not plan to ship Leopard until sometime later this spring, and an ongoing list of known issues with the system would suggest that sounds about right.

Build 9A343 is reported to contain about twenty significant issues that will need to be ironed out in the coming weeks and months. Most critical are exploitable parental controls and system panics that occur with ATI cards while running QuickTime Player with iChat and Preview.

Leopard, in its current state, also forbids the installation of Adobe Creative Suite, experiences random Finder quits on invocation of Cmd-Tab, struggles with Network disconnects and may be unable to restore Time Machine backups created in MacBuddy.

Other known issues, those familiar with the software say, affect NFS mounted files, iCal synching, Windows sharing, 'Add Printer' dialogs, QuickLook's full screen mode, and localized language support.

For other Leopard news, please AppleInsider's recent report on the system's file recovery tools & Spotlight enhancements, Quicklook & Dashboard changes, new Safari tab & search features, resolution independence, OpenGL & QuickTime improvements, and Safari's anti-phishing measures.

Of course, the initial batch of publicly disclosed Leopard features is available as part of AppleInsider's WWDC Leopard coverage.
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Apple's not gonna make it.

Critical bugs with the public features...meanwhile, who's testing the top-secret features? Apple will unleash bug-ridden "top-secret features" because Steve decided to not let developers test them. Whom is Steve trying to hide these features from? Vista is shipping in a couple weeks. MS is not going to be adding anything new to Vista...the DVDs are being pressed right this instant. Steve must know something nobody else knows...or something.

I'm extremely disappointed at how this whole Leopard thing is turning out. People thought Tiger was buggy...wait 'till Leopard's released.
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Apple's not gonna make it.

Critical bugs with the public features...meanwhile, who's testing the top-secret features? Apple will unleash bug-ridden "top-secret features" because Steve decided to not let developers test them. Whom is Steve trying to hide these features from? Vista is shipping in a couple weeks. MS is not going to be adding anything new to Vista...the DVDs are being pressed right this instant. Steve must know something nobody else knows...or something.

I'm extremely disappointed at how this whole Leopard thing is turning out. People thought Tiger was buggy...wait 'till Leopard's released.

I think Apple will pull a MS move and push the release back to the summer. That would be the smart thing to do.
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i'm sure we'll get to see the "top secret" stuff soon and it will ship at the same time as iPhone.
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Spring ends in June.

They've got time.
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Released Wednesday evening, Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard build 9A343 is the first software build of the next-generation operating system to escape the company's Cupertino fortress since build 9A321 broke free in mid-December.

Bit of a drama queen, don't ya think?
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A new build of Mac OS X "Leopard" released by Apple this week carries with it a handful visible improvements and a slightly longer laundry list of known issues, AppleInsider has learned.

Keep in mind that a longer list of known issues doesn't mean that more and more bugs are being 'added' to the software, as it is that testing is actually finding more of the problems. You'd actually hope it had a long list. A short one might indicate that its not being tested very well.

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Those improvements apparent in build 9A343 are reportedly less than appetizing and include updated QuickLook APIs and a new "HIRect/Point/Shape-based Window Manager API for resolution independence compatibility."

Can't please some people. If they were still adding big-time enhancements to the software, everyone would be up in arms about how the stuff is going to get finished in time. Maybe this is just a sign that the main coding is finished.

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Of other significance, say those familiar with the software, are updates to the Mac OS X Terminal application which deliver tab support and the ability to save a multi-window configurations through workspaces.

I guess one person's "significance" is most user's "yawn".

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meanwhile, who's testing the top-secret features? Apple will unleash bug-ridden "top-secret features" because Steve decided to not let developers test them. Whom is Steve trying to hide these features from?

Keep in mind that the "top secret" features have probably only been in development since August, when Steve said they existed. The OS developers were probably watching the WWDC keynote, saw Steve say this "top secret" line, and sh*t their pants, knowing they were now going to have to come up with something, and quick!
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I hope while they're at it, they'd provide the way to change Terminal's tabs colors, because when you have 6 open at the same time it's all a grey useless mess. And improve Terminal's languages support, because it's largely unusable in its current form...
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Apple has maintained that it does not plan to ship Leopard until sometime later this spring, and an ongoing list of known issues with the system would suggest that sounds about right.

Do I hear Vista delays?

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Do I hear Vista delays?


not even close, Vista was due out in 2001 and has yet to be released to the general public. So I don't think we are looking at a similar delay of .... 6 years...otherwise you'd be saying "Leopard will be released in 2013!!!"

lol.
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I do not see why people are planning to rush and install leopard on a working system. As long as my applications work in Tiger, I do not see the reason to rush to Leopard. Aperture will not change or any other tools I use.
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Apple's not gonna make it.

Critical bugs with the public features...meanwhile, who's testing the top-secret features? Apple will unleash bug-ridden "top-secret features" because Steve decided to not let developers test them. Whom is Steve trying to hide these features from? Vista is shipping in a couple weeks. MS is not going to be adding anything new to Vista...the DVDs are being pressed right this instant. Steve must know something nobody else knows...or something.

I'm extremely disappointed at how this whole Leopard thing is turning out. People thought Tiger was buggy...wait 'till Leopard's released.

It certainly looks pretty dismal. The secret features better not be crap either like announcing iphone integration. ZFS isn't exactly secret but it's probably the closest unofficially announced feature. Multi-touch support might be nice but again not really unexpected. I would expect that Apple will announce the features some time after Vista is in the stores but I still think that they are using it to buy some time to get some real bugs figured out in leopard. If things were going as planned, the current bugs would've been fixed.
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not even close, Vista was due out in 2001 and has yet to be released to the general public. So I don't think we are looking at a similar delay of .... 6 years...otherwise you'd be saying "Leopard will be released in 2013!!!"

lol.

Ummm...Windows XP was released in October 2001. Are you saying they were going to release two OSes withing 3 months time? I think the original time frame for Vista was between 2004-2005. So they did slip by over a year, but pulling these phony numbers doesn't really help make your case.

Also, if I remember correctly, Apple was targeting a release around the same time as Longhorn (after they started delaying it...not the original dates). So Apple is already slipping. However, I don't care that it is delayed. I would rather have it well tested and polished for the release. I don't want something rushed to market that Microsoft could point to as poor quality from Apple.
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Ummm...Windows XP was released in October 2001. Are you saying they were going to release two OSes withing 3 months time? I think the original time frame for Vista was between 2004-2005. So they did slip by over a year, but pulling these phony numbers doesn't really help make your case.

oops, i was off, thanks for the clarification.

It was originally expected to ship sometime late in 2003 as a minor step between Windows XP (codenamed "Whistler") and "Blackcomb" (now known as Windows "Vienna"). -- Wikipedia

Its still major late and many features short. but in a nutshell, after using it, I like it, its a good OS.

But, the HDCP /DRM issues that we are now finding out about might be the big issue of 2007 regarding Vista. HOpefully Apple doesn't do the same thing...
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I think Steve Jobs is putting some distance between the upcoming Vista hoopla and the announcement of the top secret stuff. I would look for a special event in later February to release these new features. Then, 3 months later look for a release (May or June). That should be enough time to iron out the GUI issues - most underlying issues are being taken care of now.

I don't think Leopard will disappoint in terms of speed (ie. usability) or features. It will be nice and snappy and will make Vista look like a POS!
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Anyone know if the WWDC version is updatable?
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If someone said this, I apologize... I didn't see it... however, has anyone considered that without all the "top-secret" features in place or clues to them, every leopard build will have some pretty gaping flaws in it?

You can't expect a perfect puzzle when a handful of the pieces are still in someone's pocket.
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Oh, it's not the holes I'm concerned about - it's the fact that any new stuff brought in at the last minute won't have the same level of testing that the rest of it has had.

And OS X Guy, traditionally, the WWDC (and in fact, all dev versions) are not updatable to the retail version. Reformat time.
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According to those people familiar with the latest seed, Apple continues to keep a close wrap on Leopard's "top secret" features and ongoing development efforts, setting forth only a modicum of changes.

Apple has maintained that it does not plan to ship Leopard until sometime later this spring, and an ongoing list of known issues with the system would suggest that sounds about right.

Vista is out. Cupertino, Start the photocopiers!!!

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But why would they want a second gen copy??
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post #21 of 52
What would be kinda funny is if they put some Vista features in for a joke like the window selection feature and the glass effect.
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what exactly does it mean to seed something?
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I think some of you are being very reactionary about this 'report.' There was no mention of massive show-stopping bugs. The way I read it, AppleInsider was dramatizing the fact that there were no 'appetizing' features. What does this mean? I guess its mainly 'boring' under-the-hood improvements. Let's face it, no one will be happy until the updated interface is previewed. Thats what we want to see.
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what exactly does it mean to seed something?

sent out to selected developers and testers
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It seems to me that the "top secret" features are UI/app based and not kernel/AppKit based which affect developers. And they are probably not finished enough for demoing yet.
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I think Steve Jobs is putting some distance between the upcoming Vista hoopla and the announcement of the top secret stuff. I would look for a special event in later February to release these new features. Then, 3 months later look for a release (May or June). That should be enough time to iron out the GUI issues - most underlying issues are being taken care of now.

I don't think Leopard will disappoint in terms of speed (ie. usability) or features. It will be nice and snappy and will make Vista look like a POS!

I think Apple is waiting for Vista to be released and then hold a suprise meeting to release new Mac and iPod features (what was missing at MWSF); but more importantly, to announce the new features of Leopard.

We all know that Vista couldn't possibly copy Leopard features now, nor could they copy them back in August when Jobs stated that they were keeping some features secret. It's a marketing technique. Apple plans to deflate Vista in a spectacular way by announcing innovative features (regardless of there actual, real world usefulness) in an attempt to reduce Vista chatter to a mere whisper.

I expect to see another keynote in 4 to 5 weeks.
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post #27 of 52
It appears as though they are just going to drop in a new Finder. They really have not done a single thing to the Finder except that QuickLook thing.

The current seeds have the new Xcode and the new Leopard APIs, and that is all the developers need.

You can be sure that the "real" testers, e.g. Adobe, already have more advanced builds than we do.
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I hope there's something in the old Top Secret bag that makes most folks go wow.

It's a dangerous game, to talk about extra cool secret stuff, because it really gets peoples motors running and you stand a good chance of a backlash if you can't deliver.
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Well, the under the hood stuff is, kind of, very exciting. It will probably allow Apple to do far more exciting 'user gui' fluff stuff later on. So, while not glamorous, it allows a firm foundation to build on. I'm glad Apple are taking time to make it rock solid.

Things like Core Animation hint at big secrets. Stuff like that and the Open GL 2.1 are exciting me most along with Time Machine. And there will be iLife 07 too. The iPhone is a mouth watering preview of Apple's new direction on GUI issues. And Core Animation is at the heart of it. It has obvious implications for Leopard's GUI.

If Leopard's GUI is half as tasty...

The deafening lack of 'secret news' is just Apple being Apple. Marketing gurus. Come June, we'll be falling over ourselves to get it on a tasty new Mac. And some will moan about it and demand or wait for the .1 of it.

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Well, the under the hood stuff is, kind of, very exciting. It will probably allow Apple to do far more exciting 'user gui' fluff stuff later on. So, while not glamorous, it allows a firm foundation to build on. I'm glad Apple are taking time to make it rock solid.

Things like Core Animation hint at big secrets. Stuff like that and the Open GL 2.1 are exciting me most along with Time Machine. And there will be iLife 07 too. The iPhone is a mouth watering preview of Apple's new direction on GUI issues. And Core Animation is at the heart of it. It has obvious implications for Leopard's GUI.

If Leopard's GUI is half as tasty...

The deafening lack of 'secret news' is just Apple being Apple. Marketing gurus. Come June, we'll be falling over ourselves to get it on a tasty new Mac. And some will moan about it and demand or wait for the .1 of it.

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You make a lot of sense.
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post #31 of 52
I really don't understand the complaints here. Yes, there are bugs -- that's why this is a seed for developers and not shipping to consumers. Its not done yet! They haven't set a firm date for shipping, but currently it is winter and Apple has said spring all along. So expect some time in April through June... probably to coincide with WWDC, if it coincides with anything.

And as for what is of value in the OS, to me the biggest features are for developers. I can't wait to get my hands on it. Users may not flock to it in droves, although there are some nice goodies we already know aabout... but they will be driven to it by software that takes advantage of the new developer features. The top secret things are almost certainly flashy GUI features that developers don't need to know about. The seeds are half about testing, and half about giving early access to developers to get their 10.5-specific apps out sooner.

Apple's track record in the last 5 years has been remarkable, especially compared to their track record through the 90s and MS' on-going performance. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.
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If someone said this, I apologize... I didn't see it... however, has anyone considered that without all the "top-secret" features in place or clues to them, every leopard build will have some pretty gaping flaws in it?

You can't expect a perfect puzzle when a handful of the pieces are still in someone's pocket.

I think your quite right, because if these "top secret" things are as impressive as Steve Jobs says, they probably would make Leopard flawed. I mean, if they are that exciting, they must be important...
post #33 of 52
Yes and no. Many top secret things may be improvements of current functionality, eg Finder that can be just dropped in. I bet 99% of the "top secret" things are just apps that will replace current functionality. The things the devs need for APIs are already shown.
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Yes and no. Many top secret things may be improvements of current functionality, eg Finder that can be just dropped in. I bet 99% of the "top secret" things are just apps that will replace current functionality. The things the devs need for APIs are already shown.

I'm getting pretty irritated. It's about time they release these "super top secret" features. That next keynote better be within the next 4 weeks... or else!
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How about a database-driven-webapplication-maker utility, that uses Ruby on Rails together with Core Data, and runs your website off dot-Mac? To the user, it looks like making a simple DB in FileMaker; but it actually generates an AJAX front end and a Rails/CoreData (SQLite) backend, uploaded to dot-Mac. Comes with 25 templates for various relational database tasks.

Then there is Core Text...
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I'm getting pretty irritated. It's about time they release these "super top secret" features. That next keynote better be within the next 4 weeks... or else!

I would expect in around April-June, right when Leopard is released.
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OK, I did not want to believe it is true, but with such reports it seems that Apple has probably some trouble to work out the problems with the new OS, while keeping the original time table (spring release). Now some people accept June as a spring month and most probably Apple will have it ready by end of June. But in this context spring would mean mostly around April.

Time will tell. I prefer a longer wait period if this means a cleaner OS rather than a rushed release forced by the marketing ninjas. In the meantime Vista is close to the hands of the public and we will soon have more meaningful comparisons with XP and with OS X Tiger. Needless to say I am already skeptical. \
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OK, I did not want to believe it is true, but with such reports it seems that Apple has probably some trouble to work out the problems with the new OS, while keeping the original time table (spring release). Now some people accept June as a spring month and most probably Apple will have it ready by end of June. But in this context spring would mean mostly around April.

Time will tell. I prefer a longer wait period if this means a cleaner OS rather than a rushed release forced by the marketing ninjas. In the meantime Vista is close to the hands of the public and we will soon have more meaningful comparisons with XP and with OS X Tiger. Needless to say I am already skeptical. \

Me being nitpicky What context? In this context, Spring means June since they have said in the past "Spring" and shipped literally on the last day of Spring. So by historical context Spring means June.

Also it is not uncommon for them to have lots of bugs at this stage. Vista and Tiger both had some major bugs to fix even weeks before RTM.
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I'm getting pretty irritated. It's about time they release these "super top secret" features. That next keynote better be within the next 4 weeks... or else!

They'll release the features after consumers have Vista available and Microsoft has dumped tons in marketing their OS.

OS X Leopard will then get their press conference with the "advancements over Vista" that will give consumers more reason to switch.
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How about a database-driven-webapplication-maker utility, that uses Ruby on Rails together with Core Data, and runs your website off dot-Mac? To the user, it looks like making a simple DB in FileMaker; but it actually generates an AJAX front end and a Rails/CoreData (SQLite) backend, uploaded to dot-Mac. Comes with 25 templates for various relational database tasks.

Then there is Core Text...

They don't need this. They can re-release Cocoa Web Objects, and if you want, release a WOF Lite version that does this stuff.
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