At the moment, I'm no fan of hers, so don't take this the wrong way. But...
Originally Posted by Splinemodel
The way Hillary has behaved over the past 15 years has made a rather large consituency of people dislike her intently.
How, precisely, has she "behaved over the past 15 years"? Specifics, please. What, since 1993, has she done to piss so many people off?
Even in 1994 there were "I don't believe a thing the president says, or her husband" T-shirts for sale.
Yes. There were. How dare she not be like REAL first ladies such as Barbara Bush or Nancy Reagan and sit there and smile as if her head were on a spring! And when they did try to remake her? It wasn't sincere. She didn't mean it. She was still, you know, smart.
These days, you hear the same sentiment from all kinds of Americans.
What sentiment is that, precisely? That Senator Clinton ought not speak? Be smart? Have political ambitions?
It is fact that, for a long time, Hillary has made people feel that she's trying to achieve political office in a way that's unnatural to the so-called cursus honorem. By definition, that's megalomania.
It is a fact that, for a long time, right-wing talk radio pundits have impressed upon their listeners that Senator Clinton is trying to achieve political office in a way that's NOT RIGHT. How dare First Lady Clinton function as a confidante and advisor to her husband when he was president! Why won't she just shut up and sit there like a bobble head like First Ladies Nancy Reagan or Laura Bush! Wear a friggin' red dress or a blue dress and STFU, HILARY! HOW DARE SHE RUN FOR SENATE! WE ALL KNOW THAT SHE'S GOING TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT! CLEARLLY SHE ONLY EVER MARRIED BILL CLINTON SO SHE COULD RUN FOR PRESIDENT!
I have family in Arkansas. I have heard shit about the Clintons you would not believe. Did you know, for instance, that they cut a deal before they got married (at the ripe old age of 7 years too young to run for president) that Bill would get elected first and she would get elected on his coattails? I shit you not. I have had someone tell me that with a straight face.
If Hillary has positions on issues, maybe you can spout them for me? I've never heard her do anything but dodge the hard questions, so please enlighten me. Please point me to referential indication of her issues. I want to know how she feels about the social security debacle, trade relations with the far east, how she would deal with hostile foreign regents, what's her real stance on corruption in the trade unions, tort reform, campaign fundraising, etc. . . . I have dug and have found nothing. The same goes for Obama, but at least there's no megalomania or scandal-filled past. I didn't vote for Bush and I vehemently dislike his administration, but at the very least it's easy to tell where he stands. With Hillary, I seriously have no idea, despite the fact that I've looked into it.
I agree completely. I desperately want these two to give clear answers to questions, and like you I simply do not know where they stand on ANYTHING. Personally, I think she'll be a bad candidate. As bad as Mit Romney will be for the GOP.