Originally Posted by AgNuke1707
A couple of objections to what you're getting at...
1) Apple isn't going to start their own cellular network in 5 years. Not happening. Provide a varied line of "iPhones", sure, but there's no way Apple is going to piggyback Cingular for however long and then break off and become Apple Mobile selling only Apple branded phones. If Google succeeds in a National WiFi network, eh ... then maybe we have a chance at seeing an Apple VoIP phone. Don't hold your breath
2) If you buy a Nokia phone to run on the Cingular network, are you a customer of Nokia or Cingular ... or both? When my shitty Motorola phone broke down, I didn't send it to Motorola - it got sent back to Cingular and replaced with a new (still shitty) phone. The argument about whose customers they are is sort of absurd. Ultimately they'll be Cingular customers with Apple hardware. The only difference is, I suspect you'll be able to take your iPhone to the Genius Bar if you have problems ... we may even see a Cingular rep in some stores to give their sales pitch or answer network questions. Apple isn't taking ANYTHING from Cingular. Your argument makes no sense...
3) Are you a Verizon customer angry that you can't get an iPhone?
You must be the son or nephew of Steve Jobs. 5 years is a long time. How can you be so sure what apple would and would not do?. Even if cingular can assume that, why expose themselves to the risk?. Part of running a company is risk management. Did apple give it to them in ironclad agreement that they would never start a cell company?.. cause words don't mean shit. In love, business and war, everything is fair game.
Your second point kinda makes my point. You are the customer of the cell carrier. of course you sent your phone to cingular. That's my point.. why is a device manufacturer demanding to handle the customer?. My argument makes no sense?.. then why did apple demand the terms?. They did not say cingular would be in their stores or handle any of the hardware problems. They stated they would be totally in charge of all hardware. Did you read the article?. They wanted to totally freeze verizon out of the customer relationship. Verizon is not a non-profit. They are not a charitble organization. They are not in the business of handing apple their customers and saying to themselves "oh boy, i trust steve will do the right thing". Running your business on a wish and a prayer gets you booted with a golden parachute (then again, maybe that's what the cingular/att exec is hoping for, a fat golden parachute).
Here is what should have happened. Apple tells cingular the customer calls you. If there is a need to fix the phone, you direct them to a apple store or if one is not present, to apple.com, otherwise, you can replace the phone at your discretion. That's what should have happened. Think for a second here what apple has done. They have imposed their customer service values on cingular. Is cingular allowed to sell equpment service plans?. equipment insurance plans?. What if cingular wanted to institute a policy of "we'll replace any iphone for whatever reason, just buy insurance of $10 a month from us". Can they do that?.
Now i read that people expect cingular to discount the data plans for the iphone.. so let me get this straight.
Apple removes any chance for cingular to make additional income from the phone through service plans, insurance, etc.
Apple gets all the profit from selling this phone and then
cingular must turn around and give customers (who will be handled by apple) discounted plans?.
Is there something i am missing in this relationship??.
And lastly, i am not a verizon customer. Also i make sufficient money to afford a contract termination fee if i wanted to. Just because i can afford 500 does not mean i will fork 500 over to cingular for an overpriced phone and the pleasure of being locked into a two year contract for a phone that is not discounted. I work for my money. Contrary to what steve believes, it just does not grow on trees (also, i did not inherit from a rich uncle).
Sorry, your last point was kinda foolish. One does not have to be a verizon customer to realize that apple terms were bullshit. I am merely analyzing this purely on logic. I am not certain but i don't think i am even a shareholder of verizon.
I have no interest in them at all.. i am just puzzled why cingular did this deal. I mean, what could apple have said to them?.. deal with us or we will go home with our phone?. What if no one wanted to deal with apple on their terms.. would they have run home like a spoiled kid and play with their toy alone?. Obviously, the boys at cingular should call walmart lawyers.. now, there is a company that told apple to shove it where the sun does not shine. I believe walmart is doing just fine.. but walmart is kinda like apple. They bully their suppliers and all companies that have relationships with them.. i guess walmart met their match in apple and vice versa (in terms of trying to impose their will on each other)