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Though largely unconfirmed, a steady stream of reports are implying that Apple Inc's iPhone could hit the market a bit earlier than the company's June forecast, AppleInsider can attest.

The majority of those reports gain their legs from sources with supposed ties to wireless carriers Verizon and Cingular.

According to one account, Cingular has penciled in a loose launch date for late April. Despite some last minute requests by Apple on how the phone should be sold and activated, the report states that it is unlikely availability would slip beyond May.

Meanwhile, reputable sources in recent weeks have said that it's neither hardware nor FCC certification that are delaying the iPhone launch, but rather additional time needed to harmonize Cingular's backend with the mobile variant of Mac OS X that runs on the device.

Perhaps the most compelling evidence in support of the recent rumors arrived prior to the iPhone's premier and in the form supply chain checks out of Taiwan. For instance, the China Times reported in November that manufacturer Foxconn would begin production of the device in the first quarter of the year.

Subsequent checks by several Wall Street analysts also suggested that Foxconn would begin delivering the first batch of iPhones late in the first quarter or early second quarter. Based on those accounts, Apple's June timeframe would appear extremely conservative.

However, it should be noted that Apple rarely beats its own product launch forecasts and often pushes the limits of those self-imposed deadlines. Therefore, the recent rumors should be considers just as they are: rumors.
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The software looked pretty incomplete to me.
Many of the apps launched to nothing but a mockup of what the app should look like.
This isn't a big issue as Apple will certainly be rolling out updates fast and furious.
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I think the only thing better than an iPhone announcement would be an early iPhone release. Waiting is killer.
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"However, it should be noted that Apple rarely beats its own product launch forecasts and often pushes the limits of those self-imposed deadlines"

I haven't been following Apple for very long, but didn't they beat their proposed Intel roll-out schedule by like half a year, at least?
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If Steve said June it will be June.
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I haven't been following Apple for very long, but didn't they beat their proposed Intel roll-out schedule by like half a year, at least?

Well if you count product announcements, sure, but their xserves SHIPPED late in 06, November perhaps? So as far as server products, they came close to that deadline
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I'm sick of all this iPhone stuff. Wheres my Powerbook G5?
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I think it was October, but I thought I remember hearing back in 2005 that their high-end Intel workstation and server replacements weren't supposed to be out until some time in 2007.
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If Steve said June it will be June.

agreed.
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Originally Posted by CosmoNut View Post

If Steve said June it will be June.

I think Steve said that the Intel transition would still be taking place into 2007.
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Originally Posted by Johnny Mozzarella View Post

The software looked pretty incomplete to me.
Many of the apps launched to nothing but a mockup of what the app should look like.
This isn't a big issue as Apple will certainly be rolling out updates fast and furious.

David Pogue did say that most of the apps were still JPEGs. That might have been a placeholder for an undeveloped app, but it might just be something placed there to avoid having underdeveloped or unstable apps causing problems in the presentation.
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I think Steve said that the Intel transition would still be taking place into 2007.

true true. i hate all this not knowing stuff, but then again, the stuff that apple churns out is, in a word, amazing... so i guess its all worth waiting for.
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

Though largely unconfirmed, a steady stream of reports are implying that Apple Inc's iPhone could hit the market a bit earlier than the company's June forecast, AppleInsider can attest.

Hey, I'm confused. Are you attesting to the April release date, or attesting that there are lots of reports implying an april release date?

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Meanwhile, reputable sources in recent weeks have said that it's neither hardware nor FCC certification that are delaying the iPhone launch, but rather additional time needed to harmonize Cingular's backend with the mobile variant of Mac OS X that runs on the device.

Well, duh! Steve said it would take two months for FCC approval, then says June. So, there'd be at least 4 months of gap in there. And the FCC part is trivial, and could be approved well before the OS was finished.

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However, it should be noted that Apple rarely beats its own product launch forecasts and often pushes the limits of those self-imposed deadlines. Therefore, the recent rumors should be considers just as they are: rumors.

In almost all cases, Apple barely meets its deadlines by releasing 2 of a product on the final day, saying they're shipping, and then still holding potential buyers in limbo for months to come.

The Intel rollout may have proceeded quicker then expected. And that wasn't so much as a delivery schedule for a product as a total line coverage. The XServe was delayed past its announced release date when steve pushed it at WWDC last year.
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However, it should be noted that Apple rarely beats its own product launch forecasts and often pushes the limits of those self-imposed deadlines. Therefore, the recent rumors should be considers just as they are: rumors.

Says who?

First, Apple doesn't give a lot of "forecasts." Second, when Apple does say that a product is coming in X weeks or months, they usually overshoot on purpose to appear ahead of the curve.
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Many of us in this list speculated this would happen, given Apple's recent behavior (granted, I did not do it here, but did so in another forum). So this would be a tad unsurprising .......

However, if it were to be bumped up to, say, 16GB, or have a price drop of even $50 for the same GB, or ends up with some other significant functionality that people have been yearning for, that would be news.

If the product is only as promised in January -- i.e., no additonal surprises other than an earlier release -- I suspect it will have peaked too early (say, by March), and people will wait another six months or so from the launch date (i.e., wait until Christmas).
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

However, it should be noted that Apple rarely beats its own product launch forecasts and often pushes the limits of those self-imposed deadlines. Therefore, the recent rumors should be considers just as they are: rumors.

Therefore, this thread is unnecessary. This stuff just writes itself.

/On a somewhat somewhat related subject, when steve was demoing the phone, at one point he said he was going to demonstrate the calander app, but he never did?
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If Steve said June it will be June.

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Just because they were pictures doesn't mean that they have done zero coding on those apps. It just means that they were not good enough to be demoed in the Keynote and we all know the level of perfection required from SJ. It would be a terrible mistake to have the phone (and keynote demo) choke if the wrong widget was selected.

I would not be surprised if there were not more fully functional widgets by the time of the launch with the same polish of the apps seen so far.

This is a prime marketing 101, never show your hand before you have to. Just give enough to make the market salivate. We will see more from the phone - mark my words....
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While I would love for this to be true, I highly doubt it is.

My reasoning:

1. Software is not done
2. They will want a production ramp of some time to build inventory
3. (Dreaming) There are serious ties to Leopard--aka The Secret Features--which will make the Leopard launch along with iPhone simply incredible

Having consulted to phone companies, my money is on the fact that Apple is setting fake deadlines for Cingular and their team to hit. This way, when they slip--and they will slip--it will not embarrass Apple too much, if at all.
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I'm sick of all this iPhone stuff. Wheres my Powerbook G5?

They already released the Powerbook G5, its called Macbook Pro. The G series of processors (By IBM) have been discontinued and you will never see another G-Anything processor from Apple. What you may wanna keep an eye out for is a AMD processor availabilty
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They already released the Powerbook G5, its called Macbook Pro. The G series of processors (By IBM) have been discontinued and you will never see another G-Anything processor from Apple. What you may wanna keep an eye out for is a AMD processor availabilty

I think he was being cynical.

Everything you said is correct though.
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They already released the Powerbook G5, its called Macbook Pro. The G series of processors (By IBM) have been discontinued and you will never see another G-Anything processor from Apple. What you may wanna keep an eye out for is a AMD processor availabilty

Oh, your just full of it! Everyone knows the Powerbook G5s are around the corner. Apple's just waiting until everyone's mind is elsewhere, and then its "We're here to announce the PowerBook G5s!" [Wait for huge applause to be over, as anything Steve says requires applause - its like a State of the Union speech, for goodness sakes]. "And one more thing. Here's the 3GHz Power Mac G5s!" [The roof comes crashing down, there's riots in the streets, anarchy has taken hold, people setting couches on fire (West Virginia only), cars being flipped, wide-spread looting (except at Gateway Country stores, for some unknown reason). Chaos will just plain reign. This is all Steve needs to convince the governments of the world to cede him ultimate power, else he'll unleash the tablet mac, and bring civilization to its knees. Bwahahahahahahaha.

Or, maybe, someone could read the sarcasm of a post rather then thinking someone's actually waiting for a non-existent product.
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I think he was being cynical.

Or sarcastic.

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Does anyone know how to check the FCC approval status?
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In these times of rumors and false information, it's good to know that AppleInsider is there to attest that largely unconfirmed reports are implying something.
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In these times of rumors and false information, it's good to know that AppleInsider is there to attest that largely unconfirmed reports are implying something.

You may be happier at this website.
http://www.macworld.com/

This site does have rumors and speculation on all things Apple.
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You may be happier at this website.
http://www.macworld.com/

This site does have rumors and speculation on all things Apple.

Just having a laugh at the wording there, mate. I'm as addicted to every scrap of rumor as anyone else at this site.
post #28 of 44
Handling Apple Rumors 101:

The more "sources" talk about a rumor, the more likely it's true.
The more analysts talk about a rumor, the more likely it's true.
The more journalists talk about a rumor, the more likely it's true.
The more patents Apple's filed in that category, the more likely the rumor's true.
The more it fits Apple's product life cycles and design precedents, the more likely it's true.
The more a factory says they have a contract to build it, the more likely it's true.
The closer it gets to a media event in which Apple is participating, the more likely it's true.
The more you'd desperately want to own it, the more likely it's true (seriously).

HOWEVER...

If Joe Shmoe Nobody gets on here and his first post is about what his friend-who-knows-a-guy said, don't put much stock in it.

If a rumor site posts it and none of the others corroborate with SEPARATE AND INDEPENDENT SOURCES, don't put a lot of stock in it.
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but their xserves SHIPPED late in 06, November perhaps? So as far as server products, they came close to that deadline

The Intel transition was interesting. Steve said that "by this time next year" (ie mid 2006) the first Intel Macs would be shipping. He said that the transition would take the 2 years from 2006-2007. He was very loose with his wording. Nearly everyone thought it meant "June 2006 for the first Macs" - though 2006-2007 implied early 2006 to late 2007 (= 2 years).

I don't remember a similar weasle-wording in the iPhone launch. He said June. I'm sure he would happily be earlier and that there is plenty of room for surprises.

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3. (Dreaming) There are serious ties to Leopard--aka The Secret Features--which will make the Leopard launch along with iPhone simply incredible

Interesting if you tie "Leopard has top secret features" to "the iPhone runs Leopard" and "the iPhone did not have even a beta version of the calendar". It is quite possible that there are some new features he didn't want to show yet.

ie: The apps are done. They just can't be shown. (And the phone can't be released until Leopard?)
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Originally Posted by GregAlexander View Post

The Intel transition was interesting. Steve said that "by this time next year" (ie mid 2006) the first Intel Macs would be shipping. He said that the transition would take the 2 years from 2006-2007. He was very loose with his wording. Nearly everyone thought it meant "June 2006 for the first Macs" - though 2006-2007 implied early 2006 to late 2007 (= 2 years).

I don't remember a similar weasle-wording in the iPhone launch. He said June. I'm sure he would happily be earlier and that there is plenty of room for surprises.

as to the iPhone release, he said it would be "shipping in June." that may not be weasle wording, but a product shipping in June can certainly also be shipping in April.

confirmed: the iMac will be shipping in June.
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I think Steve said that the Intel transition would still be taking place into 2007.

Yeah, second half, sometime.
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Does anyone know how to check the FCC approval status?

I don't know of any way to get pending testsets.

But if you go here:

http://www.phonescoop.com/index.php

You will find a link to it once it is available.
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The Intel transition was interesting. Steve said that "by this time next year" (ie mid 2006) the first Intel Macs would be shipping. He said that the transition would take the 2 years from 2006-2007. He was very loose with his wording. Nearly everyone thought it meant "June 2006 for the first Macs" - though 2006-2007 implied early 2006 to late 2007 (= 2 years).

I don't remember a similar weasle-wording in the iPhone launch. He said June. I'm sure he would happily be earlier and that there is plenty of room for surprises.


Interesting if you tie "Leopard has top secret features" to "the iPhone runs Leopard" and "the iPhone did not have even a beta version of the calendar". It is quite possible that there are some new features he didn't want to show yet.

ie: The apps are done. They just can't be shown. (And the phone can't be released until Leopard?)

Even if the phone does use Leopard, it's likely on a separate development track. It would be easier to do it for the iPhone which is a far simpler creature than a computer.

So, it could be ready earlier. It migh just be the apps that aren't all finished. They would need more time to be worked after the OS is ready.
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It is quite possible that there are some new features he didn't want to show yet.

There are so many unanswered questions about the iPhone, that its pretty clear everything wasn't shown.

In an interview Jobs was asked about iChat. He was pretty coy in his answer basically saying, "I see no reason why iChat could not be used."
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Or, maybe, someone could read the sarcasm of a post rather then thinking someone's actually waiting for a non-existent product.

I know a lot of people who are actually waiting for a Powerbook G5, and I have heard that a lot in all sincerity. Its new Apple people who knew about the previous products and don't even know about the new Intel Macs...

That and either a lot of people joke about that or a lot of people honestly don't know about the end of the G-series, because I personally see that a lot. I was at work during my first readthrough so I didn't have much time to read into sarcasm.
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There are so many unanswered questions about the iPhone, that its pretty clear everything wasn't shown.

In an interview Jobs was asked about iChat. He was pretty coy in his answer basically saying, "I see no reason why iChat could not be used."

A lot of this stuff is basic. iChat requires the web for access. If web access works, then I can't see why ichat wouldn't.
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I know a lot of people who are actually waiting for a Powerbook G5, and I have heard that a lot in all sincerity. Its new Apple people who knew about the previous products and don't even know about the new Intel Macs...

That and either a lot of people joke about that or a lot of people honestly don't know about the end of the G-series, because I personally see that a lot. I was at work during my first readthrough so I didn't have much time to read into sarcasm.

That really is sad if people are so ignorant of Apple's life change so loudly proclaimed everywhere, that they are still expecting a product that everyone else has known was dead a full year ago.

It's hard to believe that people who are waiting for a "new" Apple product haven't looked even once to find out what is happening for the past 12 months. 18, if the announcement in June 2005 was taken as a *hint*.
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I'm sick of all this iPhone stuff. Wheres my Powerbook G5?

yaaaa haha i dont wanna get rid of my powerbook g4 for an intel no way...but i know soon i will have to ....i guess im gonna bypass this summer and just end up getting a dell with vista, see how that goes, but next summer hopefully a new mac/powerbook will be out and the 17" will be mine
post #39 of 44
I wonder if the European launch will be brought forward too if they're a couple of months early in the USA. Otherwise it's another couple of months of American Crash Test Dummy testing before we get one with the bugs worked out here in Europe.

If the v1 hardware is essentially done now and working it's way through Taiwan's factories as we speak, let's hope they've got the v2 hardware ready for the European launch. Something like this 3G phone from Meizu would be nice...



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post #40 of 44
What most are missing is the logic behind why almost every intel product shipped way before it was announced: in order not to completely kill sales of the existing product.
If I need an ipod now, I might buy one, knowing that the iphone is coming in June, several months away. By April or May, no one is going to buy a higher end Ipod until they see the iphone. So Apple announces June, then ships in April or May, in order not to kill all possible sales of the existing line.
That is the only sensible way to run their business, I knew that would happen with the Intel rollout, and it did. It will also happen with the iphone...

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