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In spite of a marketing deluge, Microsoft's latest operating system has yet to see adoption by any but the most dedicated enthusiasts, news reports say -- and it may be scaring off potential customers through draconian licensing.

Although the Redmond-based developer crafted a series of publicity stunts to promote Vista -- its first significant upgrade to Windows in well over five years -- first-day reactions to the much-ballyhooed system software were lukewarm at best. A skyborne dance routine in Manhattan and elaborate laser show in Shanghai did little to "wow" prospective owners as Microsoft's marketing campaign had promised.

Many stores that had planned midnight showings were surprised at the lack of devotees queuing up to buy Vista. CompUSA's premier store on San Francisco's Market Street only saw a fraction of the 500-plus shoppers its manager had hoped for at the stroke of twelve. And in an unintentionally hilarious piece of irony, many of those who came to shop -- including those at the head of the line -- were there only for discounts on gadgets rather than Microsoft's software darling. Similar stories surfaced in other parts of the US.

Indeed, Microsoft's claim to the biggest Windows launch ever were undermined by its own business. The size of the launch has already been dismissed as the result of natural momentum: with more Windows users already in the market, Vista is guaranteed almost by default to sell more units than XP as more owners exist to buy upgrades or replace old systems with new ones, The Washington Post learned from analysts.

"This is going to be biggest version of Windows ever. But that's just inertia," said research firm Gartner's Steve Kleynhans. "Will it really dominate the market or change the market in the way earlier versions of Windows did? It remains to be seen."

The software giant may even have inadvertently discouraged the technically savvy from buying into its plans by seemingly punishing those who buy upgrade copies of Vista. A thorough look at the End-User License Agreement for the Microsoft package has revealed that the license key for an existing version of Windows becomes invalid the moment a Vista upgrade is installed. This would all but make it illegal in the company's eyes to use the earlier software, even on the same system as part of a multi-boot solution.

Microsoft hadn't said in the EULA that it would deliberately block activations of new Windows XP installs, but has already taken heat from the Internet community for allegedly driving honest upgrade buyers towards full-sized (and thus more expensive) copies of Vista. When combined with the newly-added hassle of installing the old OS instead of simply validating the old disc as in the past, many are asking just who, if anyone, Redmond hopes to entice with its much-delayed refresh.
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After reading that all my want to upgrade my ol' windows system was destroyed.
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Microsoft continues to be the worlds worst at marketing. Somehow, Apple while putting no serial #'s or applications has tons of people buying genuine copies of OS X (nice that there's no upgrade option, that would be hell) because it's such a good product. Maybe Microsoft should put more into R&D and less into copying Apple/bad and useless marketing and activation staff.
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One issue that I find interesting is all of the different versions of Windows products. I am talking about the 5 flavors of Vista that are shipping. I must admit that I just swtiched to Mac's a year ago and yet when I look at OS X, I see one version for non-server use. That makes things a lot more simple.

Also, the pricing seems way out of wack. When I can buy an upgrade of OS X for around $100 street and the Windows upgrades range from $90 - $260. I mean $260 to upgrade, seems steep.
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Windows Vista Ultimate = $400 + Security software = Priceless.
Mac OS X (Ultimate) = $129

Will all Windows Vista Features work on my 3 year old machine = Most likely not.
Will all Mac OS X Features work on my 3 year old machine = Yes.

Will I have all the drivers I need to run Windows Vista comfortably = No.
Will I have all the drivers I need to run Mac OS X comfortably = What drivers? :P

Will Windows Vista's Features make OS X look dated = No.
Will Mac OS X.5 Leopard's Features make Windows Vista look dated = Most likely yes.

Will the new look of Windows Vista make it easiers to use then its predecessor = In practice the opposite is true.
Will the new look of OS X make it easiers to use then its predecessor = Most likely yes.

Will you switch back to Windows now = No.
Will you buy Leopard = Most likely yes.

Are you glad to be rid of Windows = Hell yes.
Are you glad to be a Mac user = Hell yes.

Was there a point to all this = Yes.
What was the point = Switch.
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Apple needs to move fast and come out with 10.5 for all systems to take in the that uses that don't want vista / don't want to spend a lot on more ram / better video cards to run vista as osx needs a lot less system and video ram to run fast then vista does.
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Windows Vista Ultimate = $400 + Security software = Priceless.
Mac OS X (Ultimate) = $129

Will all Windows Vista Features work on my 3 year old machine = Most likely not.
Will all Mac OS X Features work on my 3 year old machine = Yes.

Will I have all the drivers I need to run Windows Vista comfortably = No.
Will I have all the drivers I need to run Mac OS X comfortably = What drivers? :P

Will Windows Vista's Features make OS X look dated = No.
Will Mac OS X.5 Leopard's Features make Windows Vista look dated = Most likely yes.

Will the new look of Windows Vista make it easiers to use then its predecessor = In practice the opposite is true.
Will the new look of OS X make it easiers to use then its predecessor = Most likely yes.

Will you switch back to Windows now = No.
Will you buy Leopard = Most likely yes.

Are you glad to be rid of Windows = Hell yes.
Are you glad to be a Mac user = Hell yes.

Was there a point to all this = Yes.
What was the point = Switch.

Does someone have too much time on their hands = Yes.
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Hey guys something funny about Microsoft, I was on MSNBC.com news reading an article about vista and some mac user that switched to vista and there is a form set up to discuss which is better vista or mac os 10 and when you click the link it says not compatible with safari. LOL don't want the mac opinions hey?
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Vista will sell millions as it is bundled with almost all new personal computers. But anyone with a clue will avoid the product unless they can afford to get the ultimate edition which provides functionality similar to that of OS-X. Microsoft has seriously curtailed the functionality of the system with the "lesser" editions.

At the end of the day, what M$ doesn't seem to understand is that it is selling a f!@#ing operating system. Don't tell me what the f!@#! I am allowed to do with my computer. I don't plan to upgrade to this trash on my PC until XP support is stopped after the next five years. I will probably switch to Linux at that point in time.
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...newly-added hassle of installing the old OS instead of simply validating the old disc...

Wow... I thought only Quark pulled that type of utter crap

On the plus side, I really like the new black theme look.

On the down side, the idea of a "ribbon" interface is simply assinine, most users will be confused beyond the point of frustration.

I will purchase Vista only when Direct X 10 becomes necessary to run the games I want to run. That could honestly be 3 or 4 years from now...
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If you really want to run Vista along with your Win XP copy, just create two virtual machines, one for XP and the other for Vista. That way, if Vista has any serious bugs, you can always run XP instead.
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If you really want to run Vista along with your Win XP copy, just create two virtual machines, one for XP and the other for Vista. That way, if Vista has any serious bugs, you can always run XP instead.

...but... why?

On a side note, the company I work for just now (4 months ago) upgrade it's PCs from Windows 2000 to XP. I can guarantee Vista will not even be considered here.
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Does someone have too much time on their hands = Yes.

Well what do you do with your hands then in that case = ?
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One issue that I find interesting is all of the different versions of Windows products. I am talking about the 5 flavors of Vista that are shipping. I must admit that I just swtiched to Mac's a year ago and yet when I look at OS X, I see one version for non-server use. That makes things a lot more simple.

Also, the pricing seems way out of wack. When I can buy an upgrade of OS X for around $100 street and the Windows upgrades range from $90 - $260. I mean $260 to upgrade, seems steep.

There's 9 version of Vista, if you count 32bit and 64bit it 17 versions.

maybe 2 version of Leopord, Power PC or Intel
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Sweet... Another blunder for MS.

Stick a fork in it boys! MS is just wanting to lose.

Why the madness????

For the goodness of Apple.
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Speaking of marketing, I was checking it out at the local CompUSA. They had "check out the wonders of Vista" movie loops playing on the machines they had it installed on.

--The movies looked horrible. Massive compression artifacts, choppy video, completely hosed transitions. I mean, that's probably not Vista's fault, but it that way on all the machines with Vista, meaning either the source file was bad or Vista didn't play well with the format. Either way, what a way make an introduction.

--The first machine I tried to quit out of the movie to check out Vista per se wouldn't let me. The sales guy couldn't get it to either. He started making nervous little jokes about "first impressions".

-- The second machine would allow you to get to the desktop, but it wasn't quite syncing with the monitor, so on a widescreen there was 6 inches of black space at the left and a 3:4 image on the right.

And there were slowly deflating colored balloons sort of drifting around. Just sad.

It actually reminded me of the bad old day for Macs at places like CompUSA, when all the machines had something wrong with them and nobody could be bothered to set things right.

If MS can't even get demo machines up and running in large market computer stores, there is a problem with the roll out.
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Vista is actually pretty good, been running Business edition for about a week now (won it from powertogether.com). There's nothing earth-shattering about it, other than Aero and other tweaks that improve disk indexing, most everything is under the hood. And I like the changes to Windows Explorer and overall speed is better than XP SP2.

But would it be worth the $300 for a full copy? Probably not. Is it worth the 5 years between XP and now? Probably not. But in Microsoft's own self-fulfilling mantra: It's the best Windows yet.

Probably should've released it a couple years ago as XP SE.

And BTW, every copy of Vista is the same, the cd images that is, you basically buy a key that will unlock certain features based on the price point. You could buy Home Basic, and then buy an upgrade key to Ultimate. After that point, your copy of Home Basic would become Vista Ultimate.
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There's 9 version of Vista, if you count 32bit and 64bit it 17 versions.

maybe 2 version of Leopord, Power PC or Intel

Universal Binary.

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Windows Vista Ultimate = $400 + Security software = Priceless.
Mac OS X (Ultimate) = $129

Will all Windows Vista Features work on my 3 year old machine = Most likely not.
Will all Mac OS X Features work on my 3 year old machine = Yes.

Will I have all the drivers I need to run Windows Vista comfortably = No.
Will I have all the drivers I need to run Mac OS X comfortably = What drivers? :P

Will Windows Vista's Features make OS X look dated = No.
Will Mac OS X.5 Leopard's Features make Windows Vista look dated = Most likely yes.

Will the new look of Windows Vista make it easiers to use then its predecessor = In practice the opposite is true.
Will the new look of OS X make it easiers to use then its predecessor = Most likely yes.

Will you switch back to Windows now = No.
Will you buy Leopard = Most likely yes.

Are you glad to be rid of Windows = Hell yes.
Are you glad to be a Mac user = Hell yes.

Was there a point to all this = Yes.
What was the point = Switch.

Sweet...
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Is Cringely working for AI now and modifying old headlines?

http://www.infoworld.com/article/06/...ringely_1.html
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I've been using Vista for a while now since their first beta release and currently have had ther RTM build on my laptop here for over a month. Let's just say, Mac OS X runs circles around it. Seriously, this OS--Vista--is nothing to write home about. It simply feels like XP with some cosmetic changes.

Hmm, and let's see, how many features can they copy off of Apple...

1) Windows Sidebar - Can anyone say widgets? But no, Microsoft has to appear all original and call them "gadgets." Worst of all, you can't hide them, they just remain on your desktop taking up space. Already have these shut down, because honestly I don't want to see them when I'm not using or referencing them.

2) Switch Between Windows - Expose copied poorly, and in a rolodex fashion, kinda lame too when you can't really see all the windows at once, and you have to scroll through them all,...might as well click through all the windows in the taskbar.

3) Start Search - yeah, yeah, Spotlight Xeroxed, nothing more to see here.

4) Window Preview - when you minimize your window, and hover your mouse over the minimized portion in the taskbar, you see a miniaturized showing of what the window holds...even shows playing videos...wonder where they got this one? Mac OS X perhaps?

5) Translucent windows - yep copied too.

6) Animated minimizing - yep this one too.

7) User Folder Structure - yep, taken right out of Apple's playbook almost to the tee. Lost the "My" moniker before every folder name (thank God) and give you a home folder named after your user name--with Documents, Movies, Music, Videos, etc. (and even lost the "Shared" moniker for public folders for a Mac used term,..."Public."

8 ) Contacts - Same as Address Book in the Mac now,...centralized use for different apps, etc. Yet another shameless me too feature.

For those who've used Vista so far, have I forgotten any rip offs from the Mac OS? If so, please feel free to add on to my list. Wow, I guess Apple's use of banners at past MacWorld Expos with "Redmond Start your Photocopiers" was taken to heart by Microsoft heh?

And then Microsoft has the audacity to charge consumers a crap load of money for their OS that can't even play plain ol DVDs still! That is, unless you pay the full $399 price for the Ultimate version or pay for third party software that can handle the task. Talk about takin it up the tail pipe. C'mon, DVD is old technology, and it should be standard across the board.

Oh well, I'll end my rant here. Just wanted to share some pertinent info regarding Microsofts's lackluster OS.
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Hmm - from this review http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...echnology/home

"But Aero is gorgeous, at least to veteran Windows users. Mac users will be annoyed, and rightly so, because many of Aero's features have long been a part of Mac OS X, and they will once again say that Microsoft is simply copying Apple. And Linux fans will scoff too, mainly because it's part of the Linux culture to disdain any form of eye candy; a lot of Penguinistas still haven't forgiven Novell for incorporating sexy features into its latest version of SUSE.

As an operating system, Vista will operate but get cranky with machines offering 1 gigabyte of RAM; it requires at least 2 GB to give you that new-product feeling. Oddly, however, Vista carries over an annoying limitation from XP — it recognizes only 3.325 GB of RAM; since memory is installed two identical sticks at a time, it's impossible to buy 3.325 GB of RAM without overshooting and buying 4GB."

3.325 GB !
fuck me drunk - you gotta be freak'n joking, Bill !
Where's your head at ? You paid some clowns to rewrite your OS and they give you that limitation. Madness .... lol
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While shopping for a cable at Fry's today I wandered over to the Vista display and engaged one of the sales guys in conversation. I asked how many had sold and he said four copies that he knew of (this was at 10:30 AM, just a few hours after opening). He told me about all the free goodies being given away if you buy Vista or a new PC with Vista installed - things like a web cam, a $50 printer, a USB flash drive - pretty much $150 worth. But get this - it's all in the form of mail-in rebates! And you still have to pay the 8.75% sales tax. I suggested that they throw in a Zune to sweeten the pot and he giggled for a moment. Said something like management had already thought of it but decided not to.
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Using firefox I went over and posted this at the comment section of the switch over to Vista from Mac:

"I've used Windows XP on my iMAC just in case I need it. I've used the Win OS off and on the last 10 years and I don't know how much time the Windows users have but I'd prefer to see daylight on occasion.

I'd like to know how many of the Mac users have introduced have shown Mac OS X to other Windows users and somehow influenced them enough to cause a switch? I lost count at 7. I even sold an old Powerbook G4 to a friend because of the program Handbrake (not ported to Win OS). I bought a newer Powerbook.

Sorry PC guys but you are losing ground. Maybe not a complete switch but I'd consider a Mac User running a copy of Win XP or Vista a switcher (no doubt using OS X too).

As a Army guy I will tell you this. Apple controls it's hardware for a reason. That 12 in. powerbook I took to Iraq survived dust storms while others PC laptops (opened vents) swallowed sand and killed both the optical and hard drives. When I brought it home the local Apple Store sent it in to be cleaned up (told them to keep any sand) and gave it back to me for free. Later I took the same laptop the Afghanistan then sold it to the friend I spoke about in the previous paragraph. Not just the quality of the OS that make's it a winner.

Where are you iPod users at? 75% of the market as I recall, unless it has changed. If you use iTunes on a Win. OS then you have experienced only one of many intuitive programs from Apple (free of course).

Apple support has been great to me as well. My newer power book had an optical drive problem just outside warranty and they sent it in and did $900 worth of repairs for free. My ipod had a hiccup and took it to the Genius Bar. The guy looked at it and in 2 mins. said, "I have to give you a new iPod, do you need any music transferred?" I can't remember if I've ever used phone support.

For you guys who call us Mac users girly men and such come talk to me when you've had to shoot at someone in combat.

I will install Vista on my iMac when the price drops or they have worked out the bugs a little I curiously keep an open mind."
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The mind boggles, pay a truck load of money on an OS ( and the hardware to upgrade your existing system) all this to support Aero, a fancy UI to find a window thats already open. I just don't get it!

Goodness you can run Tiger on 5 year old iMac (admitly with a bit more memory, but heck it works!)

I mean OSX has its faults, as I've migrated users from Windows to Mac. Like no templates in Mail, Migrating from Windows Outlook Express to Mac Mail. Automounting of SMB shares, thumbnails in folders. I know there is hacks and software to provide these things. It would be nice if Apple made the transition from Windows to Mac world a little more smoother.

But on the whole I've yet to see a convert give up their new found OS X and return back to fold once they've broke free Microdollar :-)
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hahahaha!

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/bill-gate...s-x-232750.php

glad someone finally addressed this on national television...
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In Sydney, Harvey Norman at the midnight launch of Vista held a raffle to see who would win the chance to buy the first copy of Vista Ultimate signed by the big G himself. Thats right not get the OS for free but buy it. Sad
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Hmm - from this review http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...echnology/home

As an operating system, Vista will operate but get cranky with machines offering 1 gigabyte of RAM; it requires at least 2 GB to give you that new-product feeling. Oddly, however, Vista carries over an annoying limitation from XP it recognizes only 3.325 GB of RAM; since memory is installed two identical sticks at a time, it's impossible to buy 3.325 GB of RAM without overshooting and buying 4GB."

3.325 GB !
fuck me drunk - you gotta be freak'n joking, Bill !
Where's your head at ? You paid some clowns to rewrite your OS and they give you that limitation. Madness .... lol

The writer doesn't seem to understand that the 3.325GB limit is an Intel limit, not a Windows one. The iMac has the same stupid limit. Apple advertises the maximum RAM as 3GB. The machines can all hold 4GB and the memory controller can see 4GB, but some of the address space is used for other purposes.

Can't possibly see myself ever having a licensed copy of Vista. I'll use it at work if I'm forced to, but Windows 2000 still serves me fine when I need to run a Windows app at home. In the future when I move to an Intel Mac a product like Crossover should allow me to run Windows apps without having to pay a Microsoft tax.
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Windows Vista Ultimate = $400 + Security software = Priceless.
Mac OS X (Ultimate) = $129

Will all Windows Vista Features work on my 3 year old machine = Most likely not.
Will all Mac OS X Features work on my 3 year old machine = Yes.

Will I have all the drivers I need to run Windows Vista comfortably = No.
Will I have all the drivers I need to run Mac OS X comfortably = What drivers? :P

Will Windows Vista's Features make OS X look dated = No.
Will Mac OS X.5 Leopard's Features make Windows Vista look dated = Most likely yes.

Will the new look of Windows Vista make it easiers to use then its predecessor = In practice the opposite is true.
Will the new look of OS X make it easiers to use then its predecessor = Most likely yes.

Will you switch back to Windows now = No.
Will you buy Leopard = Most likely yes.

Are you glad to be rid of Windows = Hell yes.
Are you glad to be a Mac user = Hell yes.

Was there a point to all this = Yes.
What was the point = Switch.

lmao, thanks for that!!
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The writer doesn't seem to understand that the 3.325GB limit is an Intel limit, not a Windows one. The iMac has the same stupid limit. Apple advertises the maximum RAM as 3GB. The machines can all hold 4GB and the memory controller can see 4GB, but some of the address space is used for other purposes.

Can't possibly see myself ever having a licensed copy of Vista. I'll use it at work if I'm forced to, but Windows 2000 still serves me fine when I need to run a Windows app at home. In the future when I move to an Intel Mac a product like Crossover should allow me to run Windows apps without having to pay a Microsoft tax.

True ?
Well, then shame on Intel.
I'll believe you - sorry if my post is out of order ....
Must be mobo specific, yes ?
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True ?
Well, then shame on Intel.
I'll believe you - sorry if my post is out of order ....
Must be mobo specific, yes ?

Yes. Certain nVidia AMD64 motherboard chipsets had problems with 4gb of RAM. I am shocked about this issue with Intel mobos. The newer nVidia motherboard chipsets for Intel Core2Duo (Conroe) should have no problem with accessing full dual-channel 2x1gb 2x1gb (total 4gb) RAM. AFAIK.
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The writer doesn't seem to understand that the 3.325GB limit is an Intel limit, not a Windows one. The iMac has the same stupid limit. Apple advertises the maximum RAM as 3GB. The machines can all hold 4GB and the memory controller can see 4GB, but some of the address space is used for other purposes....

I think this is an issue with Laptop Motherboards Intel chipsets.... Conroe (Core2Duo desktop) Intel motherboard chipsets can hit full 4gb as far as I have read in the PC-enthusiast overclocker mags.

The Gigabyte GA-965P-DS4 (rev. 1.0) Intel P965+ ICH8R chipset says it supports up to 8GB dual-channel DDR2 RAM.
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Yes. Certain nVidia AMD64 motherboard chipsets had problems with 4gb of RAM. I am shocked about this issue with Intel mobos. The newer nVidia motherboard chipsets for Intel Core2Duo (Conroe) should have no problem with accessing full dual-channel 2x1gb 2x1gb (total 4gb) RAM. AFAIK.

cheers, sunil for confirming that.

oh well, another useless post from me dumped to the useless info bin ....
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Windows Vista Ultimate = $400 + Security software = Priceless.
Mac OS X (Ultimate) = $129

Will all Windows Vista Features work on my 3 year old machine = Most likely not.
Will all Mac OS X Features work on my 3 year old machine = Yes.

Will I have all the drivers I need to run Windows Vista comfortably = No.
Will I have all the drivers I need to run Mac OS X comfortably = What drivers? :P

Will Windows Vista's Features make OS X look dated = No.
Will Mac OS X.5 Leopard's Features make Windows Vista look dated = Most likely yes.

Will the new look of Windows Vista make it easiers to use then its predecessor = In practice the opposite is true.
Will the new look of OS X make it easiers to use then its predecessor = Most likely yes.

Will you switch back to Windows now = No.
Will you buy Leopard = Most likely yes.

Are you glad to be rid of Windows = Hell yes.
Are you glad to be a Mac user = Hell yes.

Was there a point to all this = Yes.
What was the point = Switch.

Other than your choice of making everything bold, I'd say don't let anyone tell you otherwise, you are spot on. I installed Vista in Parallels. Was excited for about 10 minutes. Then it started pissing me off. Wiped it. By the way, peoples, REARM-2099 hack. 'Nuff said. What sort of fucking OS serial-validation is hacked even before it is released officially (worldwide launches) ????!!! ...Screw Vista.
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cheers, sunil for confirming that.
oh well, another useless post from me dumped to the useless info bin ....

Hey, no worries. this 3GB limit makes sense for the iMac Core2Duo, MacBookPro Core2Duo - because it looks like a limitation in the Intel Merom motherboard Apple is using.

Same as 2GB limit for MacMini and MacBook Core[1]Duo, 2GB limit in the Intel Yonah motherboard Apple uses.

Clearly though in the desktop scene, as evidenced by as I mentioned overclockers and stuff, Core2Duo Desktop (Conroe) Intel chipsets look good for 4GB, and some 8GB now, apparently.... 8)
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Though I am now BackOnMac after almost 2.5 years without my own Mac, I still have WinXP2Pro on Parallels should I need to "stay in touch", or whatever. Maybe in a few months I might be back where my AMD64 2ghz nVidia6600GT rig is in which case it will be running WinXP2Pro and optimized heavily as just a game rig, no extraneous crap, all stable drivers thanks to the high quality of nVidia mobo chipset and GPU setup. AMD64 2ghz OC'ed "Venice", singlecore but should be smooth for mid-end gaming, I might plonk in a 1gb RAM chip to add to the two 512mb chips... for 2GB total.

Which reminds me - that would be sweet to run the AMD64 rig off the VGA input on the Sony 17" 1280x1024. Then, run the DVI input off the MacBook for a dualie setup.

I'll need to get the AUD approx $35 mini-DVI to DVI adapter.

If I need to get a job which deals with Windows, in Malaysia, Singapore, Australia or even the UK, I imagine casual/ part-time/ entry-level stuff will involve WinXP or otherwise Win2000. I don't really see a need for Vista learning/ usage going into the end of this year or even through to middle of 2008.
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I think this is an issue with Laptop Motherboards Intel chipsets.... Conroe (Core2Duo desktop) Intel motherboard chipsets can hit full 4gb as far as I have read in the PC-enthusiast overclocker mags.

The Gigabyte GA-965P-DS4 (rev. 1.0) Intel P965+ ICH8R chipset says it supports up to 8GB dual-channel DDR2 RAM.

You are right. 965 (& future) chipsets from Intel can support beyond 4GB of RAM. I think the upcoming mobile platform from Intel (Santa Rosa) will also be capable of supporting beyond 4GB.

BTW, my first post. Hi to all of you
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