Originally Posted by SDW2001
It causes unemployment? Bullshit. Prove it.
How does this need proving? There's a finite amount of work that needs to be done. If people cut back on hours, that opens up those hours to be available for other people.
And lots of people work two jobs...boo fucking hoo. Welcome to the real world.
Yes, lots of struggling people just love the real world. Apparently you aren't one of them, given your little "poor man's budget" up there. You have no concept of what people face in their lives.
Furthermore, since when is "poverty" the real world? We have the highest rates of poverty in the Western world. This isn't an unsolvable solution. We just couldn't be bothered.
Man, that must be a huge ASS you have, what with everything you're pulling out of it. Prove that a higer minimum wage reduces homeless and crime.
I've always assumed you were a fairly intelligent person, but are you seriously this ignorant? Or are you just lying to try and make a point?
, poverty causes:
- Lack of sanitation
- Increased vulnerability to natural disasters
- Hunger and starvation
- Human trafficking
- High crime rate
- Increased suicides
- Increased risk of political violence; such as terrorism, war and genocide
- Lack of opportunities for employment
- Low literacy
- Social isolation
- Loss of population due to emigration.
- Increased discrimination
- Lower life expectancy
- Drug abuse
The minimum wage reduces poverty, which thereby reduces crime and homelessness, two rather large drains on our economy. Poor people, now also having more to spend, do so. Trickle-up theory, if you will. Raising the minimum wage is great for the economy, in addition to all the other social nasties on that list that it solves.
Secondly, I'm not using a strawman at all. I'm asking a serious question: If the minimum wage is in fact intended to set a standard of living as you claim, what should that standard be? What kind of apartment should one be able to afford? What kind of car? Should they get cable? Internet? Furthermore, who decides this? I know you're not arguing for luxuries. But how exactly do you feel a minimum wage worker should live? Remember, most people earn more than the minimum with zero education. Janitors earn more. McDonald's workers earn more. Wal-Mart, the Great Satan, pays more. How well should a poor shlub live?
And why is it my and your responsibility to make sure he lives that way?
First, I've made it extremely clear now, twice, that the current minimum was perfect in 1997, that the bill that the House has almost unanimously passed is perfect through 2009, and that it should stay at that rate, adjusted for inflation.
The wage needs to cover room, food, clothes, and basic health for one adult and one child, with enough extra to save up in case one of them has an emergency situation.
I don't see why you feel the need to keep bringing this up. Do you feel differently? Should people go around naked, or live in streets to make ends meet? Why do you feel the need to continually recheck to see if I'm asking for more than this?
Finally, stop bring up the fact that most workers do earn more than this. Should we bring up Bill Gates salary, too? They're equally irrelevant. We're talking about minimum wage workers. You can call them "losers" all you want, but there's 2 million of them (according to your statistic), and they can barely afford to live.