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Originally Posted by starwxrwx View Post

NextG is CDMA, not GSM, and hence not relevant to future 3G iPhones.


ah ha, you learn something new everyday... well, guess i'll be leaving telstra next year :P

edit: according to GregAlexander i may not be leaving telstra after all... i thought i heard it was GSM... well, we'll see. would be good if i can keep my i-mode email address...
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Originally Posted by aegisdesign View Post

It doesn't have a PDF viewer either.

David Pogue already said their is one.
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Originally Posted by starwxrwx View Post

Sorry, that wasn't very clear. What I meant was, if the default applications and the overall user interface are as polished as they seem, what is the purpose of 3rd party apps?

If the purpose is to provide functionality beyond phone calls, text messaging and web browsing (and everything else the iPhone can do), what functions do you need? Why not call for them to be included rather than 3rd party application support?

I don't think I've ever used a phone that can load 3rd party apps (and hence I really can't comment on the whole smartphone idea - but again I don't see the iPhone as a smart phone really) but what is it people are so desperate to load on?

I have a fair number of third party apps on my Treo 700p, and a number of them have survived from my Samsung i300, and later i330.

They are of a large variety. I have games of different sorts. Two book readers (it makes a GREAT bookreader), drawing program, technical programs for electronics and engineering, sophisticated reference programs. A program that turns it into a Tv controller. A scientific calculator. Program for all of the train, bus and subways in the Greater New York Area. The USDA nutrition database and program, etc.

I even have a program that shows one how to tie various tie knots!

So, yes, third party programs are a must on this machine.

The ability to use the Jobs hated stylus would be very helpful as well with many of these programs.
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Originally Posted by shagghie View Post

Office suite = Google Apps..... more than you'll ever need, and fast and light!

I have a treo 700w. I've never hated anything more in my entire life. I'm very tech savvy, and I know what I'm doing. But if this dang thing crashes one more time, or doesn't pick up a call when I answer it, or if one more app times out, or if one more key goes bad, or if my stylus flys out again just by answering the phone, or if the microphone screeches one more time while taking a video... well, then... I don't know WHAT i'm going to do with myself....short of holding my breath until Appl finally gets this whole thing right for the first time in human history.

I know it's not 'real OSX' running...but man, I can't imagine OSX crashing in such a controlled environment...

Heh heh. You should have bought the "p" instead. While no phone is perfect, the Windows version has been universally panned. For good reasonit stinks.
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according to GregAlexander i may not be leaving telstra after all... i thought i heard it was GSM... well, we'll see. would be good if i can keep my i-mode email address...

The short answer is that NextG is a version of the 3GSM (the 3rd generation of GSM) running on a non-standard frequency that gives it extra range. The downside is that it requires non-standard handsets (for now).

The long answer is that there are 2 basic mobile technologies at play here
1) "CDMA" and it's evolution to "CDMA2000 1xEV"
2) "GSM" and it's evolution to "3GSM" aka "UMTS" or "W-CDMA"
(there are some other players... Japan has some unique setups etc).

CDMA2000, "CDMA", and 3GSM all use a CDMA based transmission system. 3GSM (including NextG) is well and truly an evolution of GSM, not "CDMA".

.... Naming the mobile system after the technology it uses becomes very confusing when other systems start using the same technology!
Greg
ps. using CDMA doesn't make your radio go stutter-crazy when you get a phone call. Both "CDMA" and "3GSM" are much more car-radio friendly
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Originally Posted by scotty321 View Post

Blah blah blah. Apple's getting a little ahead of themselves here -- they're soooo sure the iPhone is gonna be such a big hit. Well let me tell you something: a smartphone is not a smartphone unless it is open to 3rd party applications.

There is a great 3rd party app called THE WORLD WIDE WEB on the iPhone.
You should try it some time. Especially version 2.0

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Otherwise, it's just an overpriced cell phone that nobody's going to pay for, with a minor amount of eye candy that nobody cares about. Not to mention the fact that it has a virtual keyboard which is 100 times harder to type on than a real keyboard.

So how long have you been using the iPhone?
What? You haven't even touched one?
But your positive it is going to be so much harder to type even though it has a very advanced touch screen.

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But most importantly is the lack of 3rd party apps, and Apple's insistence that it will not open up the iPhone for 3rd party apps.

Apple has NOT definitively said that they won't open up the iPhone at a later date to 3rd party apps. Wait for the announcement at the World Wide Developers Conference. I'll bet they will offer 3rd party apps but they will only be available through iTunes. Apple will only sell high quality apps that they feel are appropriate for the iPhone.

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Unless I can run all of my 3rd-party business apps on the iPhone that I can currently run on my Treo 650, there will be NO SALE to me nor any of my clients. I give the iPhone a BIG THUMBS DOWN.

Please don't buy an iPhone.
Stick with your Treo and enjoy all the 3rd party apps you can while Palm continues it's death spiral.

Palm + Microsoft + Verizon
God Save us!
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Originally Posted by Johnny Mozzarella View Post

There is a great 3rd party app called THE WORLD WIDE WEB on the iPhone.
You should try it some time. Especially version 2.0


So how long have you been using the iPhone?
What? You haven't even touched one?
But your positive it is going to be so much harder to type even though it has a very advanced touch screen.


Apple has NOT definitively said that they won't open up the iPhone at a later date to 3rd party apps. Wait for the announcement at the World Wide Developers Conference. I'll bet they will offer 3rd party apps but they will only be available through iTunes. Apple will only sell high quality apps that they feel are appropriate for the iPhone.


Please don't buy an iPhone.
Stick with your Treo and enjoy all the 3rd party apps you can while Palm continues it's death spiral.

Palm + Microsoft + Verizon
God Save us!


Mr.Bill Gates looks more than happy, looks like he is high
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Originally Posted by markiv View Post

Mr.Bill Gates looks more than happy, looks like he is high

With all of his money, wouldn't you be?
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

With all of his money, wouldn't you be?

With so much money, wouldn't you be more picky with choosing your partners than he is? What a slut.
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Originally Posted by ebrunn View Post

David Pogue already said their is one.

No he didn't.

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Originally Posted by David Pogue

Can it open Word and Excel documents? No. (Steve Jobs says it can open PDF files, though.)

http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/...ked-questions/

That's all that's been said. Open them where exactly? In Mail? in Safari? That's shit if that's it. It needs a proper PDF/ebook viewer. Browsers are terrible for reading PDFs of any length like a book or manual.
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Originally Posted by markiv View Post

Mr.Bill Gates looks more than happy, looks like he is high



Looks like he has fake tan on his face too! Not enough sunshine Bill?
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Originally Posted by Guybrush Threepwood View Post

It sucks he was so nonchalant about leaving 3G out of the iPhone. The only people that seem to be okay with it are him and Steve Jobs.

I don't give a shit about wi-fi. At home, school, or work I have a goddamn computer with a broadband connection. It's when I'm not at those place is when I need the iPhone's internet.

Fucking EDGE network...

So what you are saying is you rather have 3G and have a limited number of places that you can actually have it work.

At least with GSM and EDGE and Wi-Fi you coverage area is larger and you are more likely to have success in getting higher bandwidth access to the internest.

Yes 3G is the next best thing but its deployment is a small percentage of the total network presently out there, GSM with EDGE is available is 186 countries, that can not say that about 3G.

But so many time people think they need the latest and greatest, but it really does not meet your needs, if that is what your after why not say it has to be WiMax which is far better then 3G
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

This is silly, and dated.

He -- and the people that work for him -- should go back to business school. He might be surprised.

He's too busy being COO of Apple Inc.

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What business apps are you looking for???

There will be
Calendar
Contacts
e-mail (great e-mail)
browser (great browser)

And, I've said this elsewhere, with Safari on the phone you have (will have soon - its committed to) docs.google.com so you have
Word
Excel

This is more than I will need.



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They said it was OSX and listed off a whole heap of features. Features they did NOT mention included Darwin and Carbon. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple thinks of Darwin as just the underlying stuff that OSX runs on.

Darwin wasn't mentioned, but it's the basic stuff that everything else works on. Darwin is the reason OS X would be so portable and able to run on whatever CPU (most likely an ARM) that is in the iPhone. As for Carbon, I don't really give a damn about that thing. It was used in the transition from OS 9 to OS X, and Mac OS X was originally NeXTstep and the entire point of that was to be Object Oriented, not just in Application frameworks, but also in style. Ever notice how pretty much every one of your Apps works well with another, and the best examples include Mail, Growl, and Quicksilver.

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post #96 of 157
This is SO funny.
Reading these comments reminds me why most of the world hates Mac uses.
Snide, endless whining about a product that hasn't been released, let alone touched by one of you. You see a pre-release demo and look at a couple of screen shots and you're suddenly a guru.
Do you really think that that dog and pony show demo'd every feature that will be in final release, let alone features that will become available over the next 1-2 years?
But in June, you'll buy v1.0 anyway, just so that you can p*** and moan even more.

I do so enjoy this forum.
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Originally Posted by GQB View Post

This is SO funny.
Reading these comments reminds me why most of the world hates Mac uses.
Snide, endless whining about a product that hasn't been released, let alone touched by one of you. You see a pre-release demo and look at a couple of screen shots and you're suddenly a guru.
Do you really think that that dog and pony show demo'd every feature that will be in final release, let alone features that will become available over the next 1-2 years?
But in June, you'll buy v1.0 anyway, just so that you can p*** and moan even more.

I do so enjoy this forum.

Hey, who're you calling snide, ya little noob!?

Good first post, BTW, but soon you'll be just like the rest of us!
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Hey, who're you calling snide, ya little noob!?

Good first post, BTW, but soon you'll be just like the rest of us!

I know, I know.
But it got me to join in. This really is a fun forum.

As for my creds, I was the first product specialist at Farallon back in MacRecorder days. So I go back far enough to be able to smart off a little bit.

As for what I want, my personal pref is for a Video iPod/Wireless.... I could really care less about the phone. Hate the damned things.
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Originally Posted by GQB View Post

This is SO funny.
Reading these comments reminds me why most of the world hates Mac uses.
Snide, endless whining about a product that hasn't been released, let alone touched by one of you. You see a pre-release demo and look at a couple of screen shots and you're suddenly a guru.
Do you really think that that dog and pony show demo'd every feature that will be in final release, let alone features that will become available over the next 1-2 years?
But in June, you'll buy v1.0 anyway, just so that you can p*** and moan even more.

I do so enjoy this forum.



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Isn't that a picture of the The Family Guy?

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Isn't that a picture of the The Family Guy?

It looks like Buddy Jesus from the movie Dogma.
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post #102 of 157
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So what you are saying is you rather have 3G and have a limited number of places that you can actually have it work.

At least with GSM and EDGE and Wi-Fi you coverage area is larger and you are more likely to have success in getting higher bandwidth access to the internest.

Yes 3G is the next best thing but its deployment is a small percentage of the total network presently out there, GSM with EDGE is available is 186 countries, that can not say that about 3G.

But so many time people think they need the latest and greatest, but it really does not meet your needs, if that is what your after why not say it has to be WiMax which is far better then 3G

Actually, I am saying that. I live in Sacramento. Cingular's 3G coverage here is great and covers the entire area. So it completely applies to me being I live in Sacramento and only travel to San Francisco, which has 3G too. I could care less about everyone else.

And why are you even responding? Philly has awesome 3G coverage. You should want the latest and greatest as long as it's available. This is assuming you don't travel much. If you do, well, EDGE might be for you. But for me, I have no problem of having 3G only. I'm just really selfish.
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post #103 of 157
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Looks like he has fake tan on his face too! Not enough sunshine Bill?

make your choice or add to the list...

1. that is not the real Bill Gates, it's just a cardboard cut-out with a photoshoped tan and smile
2. that is a Bill Gates stand-in, a recent immigrant from Korea, during a press release rehearsal
post #104 of 157
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Originally Posted by Maestro64 View Post

So what you are saying is you rather have 3G and have a limited number of places that you can actually have it work.

At least with GSM and EDGE and Wi-Fi you coverage area is larger and you are more likely to have success in getting higher bandwidth access to the internest.

Yes 3G is the next best thing but its deployment is a small percentage of the total network presently out there, GSM with EDGE is available is 186 countries, that can not say that about 3G.

But so many time people think they need the latest and greatest, but it really does not meet your needs, if that is what your after why not say it has to be WiMax which is far better then 3G

I can't believe how much Sprint / Verizon / Alltel EV-DO is downplayed. There IS 3G nationwide TODAY. Had Verizon agreed to Apple's terms, Tim Cook would have never been proclaiming their clear choice to go with GSM.

I'm sure with Apple's resources it would not be that difficult to create both GSM and CDMA/EV-DO flavors of the phone.

For everyone wailing about no GSM 3G built in: having hardware support for 3G GSM in USA is pointless right now because there is no coverage except for a handful of metropolitan areas and airports.

What I hope Apple does in the future is disregard its Cingular exclusivity agreement and create an easy-to-puchase-without-a-plan GSM iPhone and a Sprint and Alltel EVDO version as I'm sure both of those companies will agree to Apple's terms.
post #105 of 157
I think those wailing are the ones that have 3G coverage in their metropolitan area.
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post #106 of 157
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No he didn't.



http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/...ked-questions/

That's all that's been said. Open them where exactly? In Mail? in Safari? That's shit if that's it. It needs a proper PDF/ebook viewer. Browsers are terrible for reading PDFs of any length like a book or manual.


What more do you want? He said you can open PDFs.
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Originally Posted by Guybrush Threepwood View Post

Actually, I am saying that. I live in Sacramento. Cingular's 3G coverage here is great and covers the entire area. So it completely applies to me being I live in Sacramento and only travel to San Francisco, which has 3G too. I could care less about everyone else.

And why are you even responding? Philly has awesome 3G coverage. You should want the latest and greatest as long as it's available. This is assuming you don't travel much. If you do, well, EDGE might be for you. But for me, I have no problem of having 3G only. I'm just really selfish.

Apple has a problem with limiting the market, but if you only travel to San Francisco, you definitely won't need 3G once Google gets the WiFi network going.

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I can't believe how much Sprint / Verizon / Alltel EV-DO is downplayed. There IS 3G nationwide TODAY. Had Verizon agreed to Apple's terms, Tim Cook would have never been proclaiming their clear choice to go with GSM.

I'm sure with Apple's resources it would not be that difficult to create both GSM and CDMA/EV-DO flavors of the phone.

For everyone wailing about no GSM 3G built in: having hardware support for 3G GSM in USA is pointless right now because there is no coverage except for a handful of metropolitan areas and airports.

What I hope Apple does in the future is disregard its Cingular exclusivity agreement and create an easy-to-puchase-without-a-plan GSM iPhone and a Sprint and Alltel EVDO version as I'm sure both of those companies will agree to Apple's terms.

1) Verizon and Apple didn't agree on Terms
2) Even if they did, Apple would only want one version of the Phone so everything would have to be built in
3) GSM is more widely used, for those in Japan, do you honestly think that Apple won't build 3G into the Japanese version (as much as they'll probably hate doing it) ???

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post #109 of 157
How many of you actually use 3G or EDGE to really know the difference?

Wifi is actually better than both. New York is slowly improving its free municipal WiFi and I imagine that's what I would be using most with the iPhone.
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True...but the only time I go to S.F. is for Giants and 49er games. Not really the best time to use the internet

Sacramento would be nice...
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Yep and never touch it. I've got Keynote

And for reviewing on a phone PDF is just fine. I wouldn't really want to edit a presentation on a phone in any case. Minor edits to excel and word seem OK but I personally wouldn't do it.

Ah, I was waiting for the "Keynote" response. Not good enough. I would love to use it, but the translations (when you have to share with the PPT world) are far from seamless. When it becomes seamless, I'll switch in a second.

And, one has to a masochist to want to edit PPT (or Excel or Word, for that matter) on a "smart" phone; they are only useful in situations where you have to, or want to, read, browse, or present (without having to carry a laptop every time).
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Originally Posted by Slewis View Post

He's too busy being COO of Apple Inc.

Sebastian

Oh, I am sure. And, no doubt he's good at it too.

Just does not know a lot about business schools today, that is all.
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Originally Posted by Guybrush Threepwood View Post

True...but the only time I go to S.F. is for Giants and 49er games. Not really the best time to use the internet

Sacramento would be nice...

Doesn't San Francisco have wifi from Google?
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It will.
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Ah, I was waiting for the "Keynote" response. Not good enough. I would love to use it, but the translations (when you have to share with the PPT world) are far from seamless. When it becomes seamless, I'll switch in a second.

And, one has to a masochist to want to edit PPT (or Excel or Word, for that matter) on a "smart" phone; they are only useful in situations where you have to, or want to, read, browse, or present (without having to carry a laptop every time).

Actually I share with the PPT world all the time - PDFs. I understand the PPT is too limited to keep up with Keynote re graphics but there is no way I'm going to be limited by PPT.

Glad you agree re editing
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Actually I share with the PPT world all the time - PDFs. I understand the PPT is too limited to keep up with Keynote re graphics but there is no way I'm going to be limited by PPT.

Glad you agree re editing

I think you missed my larger point...... my fault, I am sure.

What I am suggesting is that, making something like PPT compatible with the iPhone (with, say, USB-out to VGA to projection device) could massively increase its sales.

Gazillions of execs travel with PPT presentations, presenting to gazillions of other execs. If they could just present off their iPhones, cab you imagine the functionality? The buzz? The exponentially added sales?

Oh, btw, I'd even settle for my being able to create and email PDFs of Keynote presentations from my iPhone. I did not know that the iPhone could even read (let alone write) PDF files -- do you know if that is the case?
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

I think you missed my larger point...... my fault, I am sure.

What I am suggesting is that, making something like PPT compatible with the iPhone (with, say, USB-out to VGA to projection device) could massively increase its sales.

Gazillions of execs travel with PPT presentations, presenting to gazillions of other execs. If they could just present off their iPhones, cab you imagine the functionality? The buzz? The exponentially added sales?

Oh, btw, I'd even settle for my being able to create and email PDFs of Keynote presentations from my iPhone. I did not know that the iPhone could even read (let alone write) PDF files -- do you know if that is the case?

Don't know for sure but as was quoted earlier, Jobs has said yes (re reading PDFs). For showing a presentation PDF's would be fine IF, as you say, there were a VGA, or equiv. output. You could take you keynote/PPT and create a PDF and just show that. Full Keynote would be better but PDF's would go a long way.
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

Oh, I am sure. And, no doubt he's good at it too.

Just does not know a lot about business schools today, that is all.

Likely, that's a good thing. An MBA never made someone good at their job. It gives you the tools to use, that's all.

But, you either have ability, or you don't.
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Don't know for sure but as was quoted earlier, Jobs has said yes (re reading PDFs). For showing a presentation PDF's would be fine IF, as you say, there were a VGA, or equiv. output. You could take you keynote/PPT and create a PDF and just show that. Full Keynote would be better but PDF's would go a long way.

I find it funny that people bag the iphone because they want PPT support. Have these people ever tried using a Windows Mobile based phone? PPT support isn't even native to M$ own mobile O/S, neither is proper Word document or Excel spreadsheet!! Until M$ release the specifications for their document types no one will be able to release seamless support for those documents!

I bought a Windows Mobile 'SmartPhone' and it's the biggest waste of money ever. I can't open Word or Excel Documents direct from my email because they need to be converted to Word Mobile documents by ActiveSync first.

The most important feature will be PDF viewer and basic text email support. If I can read my emails and reply, I'm happy, if I need to send a document, I'll do it on my MacBook when it's convenient.
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I find it funny that people bag the iphone because they want PPT support. Have these people ever tried using a Windows Mobile based phone? PPT support isn't even native to M$ own mobile O/S, neither is proper Word document or Excel spreadsheet!! Until M$ release the specifications for their document types no one will be able to release seamless support for those documents!

I bought a Windows Mobile 'SmartPhone' and it's the biggest waste of money ever. I can't open Word or Excel Documents direct from my email because they need to be converted to Word Mobile documents by ActiveSync first.

Really? I've never really played with Windows Mobile for long enough. The last 3 years or so I've used Symbian phones. QuickOffice on Symbian doesn't seem to have any real problems opening, editing and writing Word, Excel and PowerPoint files although some of the more complex files get a little funky.

Yes, it's kind of painful on a 208x320 screen but when you have to, the ability to do it is really handy. The iPhone has a 320x480 screen so it'd be less painful.

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The most important feature will be PDF viewer and basic text email support. If I can read my emails and reply, I'm happy, if I need to send a document, I'll do it on my MacBook when it's convenient.

A proper PDF view would be very useful, not just viewing PDFs embedded in Safari or Mail where it's near impossible to navigate. A multitouch version of Preview.app would be cool. I've got Adobe's Acrobat Reader on my p910.
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