Originally Posted by tribulation
As I mentioned before, a series 2 Tivo is free with a year's subscription, far from $300-$1000 (not sure where you got the number from. Maybe the series 3? that's a true HD DVR, far superior to what the iTMS has to offer on quality if that's what you need).
$99.99 + 1 yrs prepaid plan according to Tivo's site for an 80hr TiVO Series 2 DT.
$278 total 1 year for a SD Tivo vs $120 total 1 year for a comcast HD-DVR. Oooh...after a year you own a Series 2 DVR that makes surfing even MORE painful than just using a cable box and still doesn't do HD or handle encrypted digital channels.
But yes, I was thinking of the Series 3 when I was writing that. $978.99 1st year costs + cable card rental.
No cablecard, no tuner, no nothing of that sort. Just an A/V input and some way for it to control a separate cable box provided by your cable company.
Slow, prone to error with some cable/sat boxes, poor integration with VOD services, yet another remote, etc. I have a series 1 TiVo that's just sitting around gathering dust. Why do I want a DVR that is not integrated with PPV/VOD and other advanced cable and sat services?
Versus just getting the "free" one from the cable or sat company for lower monthly service rates?
Does Apple really want to do an IR blaster solution? I don't think so when the final user experience is worse than that offered by sat and cable companies.
So all the iTV would be doing is recording the A/V coming into the box to the HD. The normal cable box provided by your cable company would do all the actual receiving work. This method has been used for years by various devices. Remember back in the VCR+ days - it controlled your vcr just the same. Tried and true approach.
Tired and true suck approach that makes your TV experience even more sluggish.
Again, why bother when a HD-DVR from comcast is $0, cost $10/month and offers better user experience because it understands VOD, PPV, etc?
Cost wise, those of you that ONLY want to buy from the iTMS would loose nothing. Those of us who want more cable are free to get any service we want and use that tuner. The iTV only handles the recording. We gain a ton with very little effort on Apple's part.
Cost wise you have to add a tuner, additional connectors increasing size and possibly beef up the hardware (probably okay since the XBox can manage as a DVR) or add encoding hardware for a very small number of folks that don't use a DVR provided by their cable or sat company.
Tivo is only in the black in because they successfully sued EchoStar (under appeal but I would expect TiVO to win). Presumably they'll get more licencing fees in the future from everyone else.
Which would include Apple if they include DVR capability in the aTV...for $1 a month/aTV using the DirecTV model. That's not "loose nothing" for me.