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post #241 of 260
3/16/07 at 2:37pm
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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

You have to understand giant companies like Sony. Often the right arm has no idea what the left arm is doing. Sony Electronics and Sony Pictures are two different divisions run by different people. Sony Pictures is attempting to make as much money as possible from its content. Sony Electronics is attempting to sell as much of its products as possible. The two divisions don't have a cohesive plan.

At one time there was - for too long, complaints by the music division prevented the electronics division from allowing their portable audio file players from playing MP3 audio. They wanted to force users to convert all of their music so they can place their own DRM wrapper around it. I think we all know in general terms how well that went.
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post #242 of 260
3/16/07 at 3:05pm
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But one thing is certain there are millions upon millions of DivX files being traded over P2P, torrents, IRC, newsgroups, Rapidshare etc etc. Every single film, tv show, documentary aired on US television is available on the Internet and it is available in XviD.

I would also use that fact to show that DivX has not yet reached a critical mass. If everything offered on television is free on the internet, but the content owners do little about it, means most people are legally purchasing the content.

If film and television studios felt P2P severely affected their profits they would go after Bit Torrent and DivX as aggressively as the music industry has.
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post #243 of 260
3/16/07 at 4:54pm
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Originally Posted by sjk View Post

I see several reasons why Apple has chosen (for now) to limit the video formats aTV supports, including not wanting to be perceived as catering to piracy as you mentioned earlier. They want to focus on H.264, especially with it already being the primary video iPod format.

An idea just occured to me. Could AppleTV be popular enough that we start seeing a change from DivX/XviD/3viD to H.264 on torrent sites? Despite the former being, by far, the majority of video content, there is still plenty of the latter purposely encoded to play in one's iPod Video.

I would much rather download* H.264, but they are almost always mastered for the iPod's lowered resolution requirements. I think this will change.


* None of my torrent begotten video have infringed on anyone's rights. Honest!
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post #244 of 260
3/17/07 at 1:47pm
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Could AppleTV be popular enough that we start seeing a change from DivX/XviD/3viD to H.264 on torrent sites?

Maybe more H.264 in addition to DivX/XviD/3viD?

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Despite the former being, by far, the majority of video content, there is still plenty of the latter purposely encoded to play in one's iPod Video.

And no shortage of video conversion tools intended for the latter.

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I would much rather download* H.264, but they are almost always mastered for the iPod's lowered resolution requirements. I think this will change.

Related to your original question, what effect has that content had on the dominance of other formats? I've noticed a fair number of Mac-centric video podcasts are H.264, some higher resolution than the iPod requires.

Obviously aTV owners, like video iPod owners, need compatible content. Even though iTS won't be the only direct distributor the iTunes dependency will make it convenient, whether free or purchased.

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* None of my torrent begotten video have infringed on anyone's rights. Honest!

Same here, and it's only a miniscule percentage of my entire video collection.
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post #245 of 260
3/17/07 at 2:21pm
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Originally Posted by sjk View Post

Same here, and it's only a miniscule percentage of my entire video collection.

You guys keep believing that.
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post #246 of 260
3/17/07 at 2:33pm
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

You guys keep believing that.

Huh? Are you implying we're lying?
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post #247 of 260
3/17/07 at 3:29pm
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Originally Posted by sjk View Post

Huh? Are you implying we're lying?

A bit of self deception to think to think that most of Bit Torrents files are not infringing.
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post #248 of 260
3/17/07 at 3:55pm
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Originally Posted by sjk View Post

Huh? Are you implying we're lying?

Actually, sjk, I was lying. I thought my use of the word 'Honest!' at the end of my statement would reflect my facetiousness. My apologies for the current direction of this thread.
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post #249 of 260
3/17/07 at 3:56pm
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

A bit of self deception to think to think that most of Bit Torrents files are not infringing.

He didn't say that most bit torrent files are not infringing, just that he isn't infringing.
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post #250 of 260
3/17/07 at 4:02pm
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

He didn't say that most bit torrent files are not infringing, just that he isn't infringing.

Yes, I know. My response was that if one is downloading files from bit torrents, one can assume most of them to be infringing.

Unless he is only uploading files, and that the one's he's uploading are known to not be infringing. By that, I mean that their owners would not consider them to be infringing i.e. -they are out of copyright, or were never in.
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post #251 of 260
3/17/07 at 4:20pm
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

Yes, I know. My response was that if one is downloading files from bit torrents, one can assume most of them to be infringing.

Unless he is only uploading files, and that the one's he's uploading are known to not be infringing. By that, I mean that their owners would not consider them to be infringing i.e. -they are out of copyright, or were never in.

Torrents are a great place to get the current Linux builds*. Also--and surely isn't absolute--many torrent files for software don't include the serial number, which is the part that makes it illegal. ...or so I've read.


* I'm a tech head so I like to be kept abreast of this stuff but Linux sucks so much balls as a desktop. Even the strides taken with Ubuntu, which in my opinion has tried to copy the OS X model of "it just works", is still a decade away at the current rate of progress from being a valid, free choice for the majority.
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post #252 of 260
3/17/07 at 4:26pm
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Torrents are a great place to get the current Linux builds*. Also, and surely isn't absolute, many torrent files for software don't include the serial number, which is the part that makes it illegal. ...or so I've read.


* I'm a tech head so I like to be kept abreast of this stuff but Linux sucks so much balls as a desktop. Even the strides taken with Ubuntu, which in my opinion has tried to copy the OS X model of "it just works", is still a decade away at the current rate of progress from being a valid, free choice for the majority.

Sure, you can download Linux, and other legit material from torrents, but what is the percentage of that? Very small.

The same thing can be said of newsgrouos. Much software is there, as is music, videos, Tv shows, movies, etc. Most of it is also illegal. "Cracks" can be found. That's why much of the software available doesn't need the serial number.
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post #253 of 260
3/17/07 at 7:54pm
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Actually, sjk, I was lying. I thought my use of the word 'Honest!' at the end of my statement would reflect my facetiousness.

I debated whether to interpret it like that but decided to play it safe since there was no smilie.

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My apologies for the current direction of this thread.

Fine with me but for everyone else's sake I don't intend to continue on that course after this post.

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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

He didn't say that most bit torrent files are not infringing, just that he isn't infringing.

Exactly.

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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

Yes, I know. My response was that if one is downloading files from bit torrents, one can assume most of them to be infringing.

Your response to my misinterpretation of solipsism's facetiousness came across more like an accusation of self deception on my part about infringement for the few torrent downloads I've done, which is an utterly false claim.

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Unless he is only uploading files, and that the one's he's uploading are known to not be infringing. By that, I mean that their owners would not consider them to be infringing i.e. -they are out of copyright, or were never in.

Another presumptuous statement if that "he" is me.

My mistake for responding to solipsism's footnote, causing an unwanted distraction about the legitimacy of torrents instead of a bit more discussion about possible alternatives to iTS people foresee for aTV content.
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post #254 of 260
3/17/07 at 8:05pm
The only thing I have downloaded using BitTorrent was a couple of episodes of "Vanished" after it got canceled, and the only way to legally watch it was in Internet Explorer on a PC. It serves them right for making me "bend the rules" a little bit.
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post #255 of 260
3/17/07 at 10:31pm
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Originally Posted by sjk View Post


My mistake for responding to solipsism's footnote, causing an unwanted distraction about the legitimacy of torrents instead of a bit more discussion about possible alternatives to iTS people foresee for aTV content.

I have no interest in going further with it.

I'll take you at your word.
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post #256 of 260
3/18/07 at 7:54pm
I'm just wondering how smart this device will be.

I plan on using this to replace MTV/VH1. So I have a bunch of music videos. For starters, I'd like to be able to have a weighted shuffle, so the videos I like most play the most. Secondly, some of the videos are 4:3, some 16:9....so I hope this device is smart enough to just show the 16:9 ones normally, and 4:3 ones stretched.
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post #257 of 260
3/18/07 at 9:41pm
Any guesses if Apple TV will ship this week? I hope!
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post #258 of 260
3/18/07 at 9:45pm
I just posted this on "digital Living room" thread. Should be interesting here as well.

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I just came across this article at MacDaily news. It's interesting. we may be seeing something soon, I hope.

http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/new...port-mode/9658

This one as well:

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/a...-tv-245101.php
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post #259 of 260
3/19/07 at 6:46am
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Originally Posted by gkorsgard View Post

Any guesses if Apple TV will ship this week? I hope!

very likely, on macrumors people have posted they no longer can cancel their pre-orders which means they are ready to ship.

i however fully expect to be able to hit the local apple store this week (tuesday) and pick one up before these pre-order double delayed poor fools get theirs from the shipper. heheh.
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post #260 of 260
3/19/07 at 9:46pm
The Apple Store now says "Ships: 3-5 business days"
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