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I am super excited about the iMac face lift. I was supposed to get on for my birthday last year (April 28th), but since my dad's job had gone downhill a little bit I had to wait and we I am still waiting..

Through all the furious waiting and angerment i have been through now i think that waiting always ends up being the best thing. When the 24" iMac came out i had my eye on that and now that there will be a new face lift and supposedly a new Dual Core chip... the new iMacs will be just teardrops from HEAVEN!

And also i have heard that this face lift will take place in April because many stores are running low on stock of current mac models so doesn't that mean there should be an update soon?

Our store has gone to stocking only one of each iMac at a time (we're in a small city, we rarely sell more than one of each model per day). Mostly because, knowing Apple, the upgrade will come when no one expects it, and we don't want to get stuck with dozens of outdated machines.
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hey, i agree with what you're saying with the imacs having a touchscreen, i just don't see how they could make it work. i do like the idea of them creating a sub-notebook(something business oriented) with touch screens much like the iphone was demonstrated with. but, i just guess will have to see come june.
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Through all the furious waiting and angerment i have been through now i think that waiting always ends up being the best thing.

Of course, that way you keep your wallet really safe.

Joking aside, it seems you are lucky to have waited so long. But before final judgment, let's first see how the rumor is materialized. Having two independent(?) sources to report the upcoming overhaul is rather reassuring.
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I just don't get it, why use a card reader when you can directly connect your camera to your computer??

For those of us who have an older generation digital camera (I own a Canon G3) a USB2 card reader is much faster at downloading photos than the camera's USB1 connection.
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For those of us who have an older generation digital camera (I own a Canon G3) a USB2 card reader is much faster at downloading photos than the camera's USB1 connection.

Plus you don't drain the camera batteries in the process.
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I agree, though a second internal drive dedicated to Time Machine may be the only solution for people who won't use external drives or do sufficient backups for various reasons and excuses. Those of us using external drives could find other uses for it or choose not to get one if it were optional (preferably).

Maybe Apple will have more to offer "home" users storage-wise than just the AE's new AirPort Disk that we won't know about until Leopard and Time Machine are released though I kind of doubt it.

My whole thinking on the second internal drive for Time Machine is just simplicity, the whole Apple "It just works" philosophy.

What's more Apple-like?

1) You buy an iMac with 2 internal drives and Time Machine backs up to the 2nd drive automatically.

2) You buy an iMac with 1 internal drive and then need to buy an external hard drive to use Time Machine.

Option 2) reminds me of the one Apple vs. Mac computer where the PC can't do any work because all of its other parts are scattered in different boxes.
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Apple vs. Mac? Lol, I get what you mean, though...

Sure, if they offer secondary HDD's in the iMac, I'd be the last one to complain.
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post #168 of 284
Backing up to a hard drive that is internal to the computer is silly. While it protects you from a corrupt or failed hard drive it will not protect your data if the computer itself is stolen or destroyed.

People that don't back up their data risk losing that data. It only takes once for a huge data loss before people get it.
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Backing up to a hard drive that is internal to the computer is silly. While it protects you from a corrupt or failed hard drive it will not protect your data if the computer itself is stolen or destroyed.

People that don't back up their data risk losing that data. It only takes once for a huge data loss before people get it.

You are totally correct for a business, or for someone who has really important info that they absolutely need.

But most people don't have that level of concern. All they want is to be able to restore if the main drive goes down.

Conversely, if the backup drive goes down, they would have to replace that.

I always recommend that people back up documents, keychains, and media, such as an iTunes library, to DVD.
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I tend to think that the need to back up your data is universal. Backup is one of those things that appeals to the paranoid who don't want to lose data and sadly is a tough lesson to those who are careless with their data.

It's fairly trivial to add a FW or USB external hard drive so that Time Machine may do it's duty. If people can't be bothered to do that then they certainly aren't going to utilize two internal hard drives effectively IMO.
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My whole thinking on the second internal drive for Time Machine is just simplicity, the whole Apple "It just works" philosophy.

Exactly. Even if it's not the optimal solution a second internal hard drive could increase awareness of the importance of backups, something that's remained sadly underemphasized for too long (IMO). [edit: darn you other guys for posting before me!]
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For those of us who have an older generation digital camera (I own a Canon G3) a USB2 card reader is much faster at downloading photos than the camera's USB1 connection.

And I think many (most?) PDAs, smartphones, etc. still only support USB1. Synching my Palm TX internal RAM with USB1 would be acceptable (although I use WiFi instead) but transferring data to/from its SD card is normally too slow so I use a SD reader/writer for that (e.g. complete backups to ZIP archives are fast and easy).
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You are totally correct for a business, or for someone who has really important info that they absolutely need.

But most people don't have that level of concern. All they want is to be able to restore if the main drive goes down.

Conversely, if the backup drive goes down, they would have to replace that.

I always recommend that people back up documents, keychains, and media, such as an iTunes library, to DVD.

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I tend to think that the need to back up your data is universal. Backup is one of those things that appeals to the paranoid who don't want to lose data and sadly is a tough lesson to those who are careless with their data.

It's fairly trivial to add a FW or USB external hard drive so that Time Machine may do it's duty. If people can't be bothered to do that then they certainly aren't going to utilize two internal hard drives effectively IMO.

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Backing up to a hard drive that is internal to the computer is silly. While it protects you from a corrupt or failed hard drive it will not protect your data if the computer itself is stolen or destroyed.

People that don't back up their data risk losing that data. It only takes once for a huge data loss before people get it.

I kinda agree with both of you, and I think the people that truly understand backing up are those that have suffered. Typical of humans ... But we can manage the risks.

It is important to reiterate as some of y'all have done that backing up has both a TIME and SPACE component to it. That is, when stuff is backed up, and WHERE (physical location) it is backed up to. And WHERE the backup is.

My approach in advising others is always :: Internet/ .Mac/ GoogleMail [yes] for critical, frequent backup items. iPods also. External hard disk for overall backups, 1-4 times a month, depending on need. The External Hard Disk should normally be AWAY from your main computer, that is, physically located AS FAR AS POSSIBLE from the main computer.

While an internal drive is an interesting idea, it would be better implemented as a "slot" solution. Kinda like loading magazines in a rifle (yeah, I've been playing GhostRecon: AdvancedWarfighter recently) -- Slot in, does the backup, slot out when travelling, transfer, moving to a different location (at least a different part of the house, or house instead of work for example). An innie-outie hard drive, so to speak.

But in this case archive and off-site, DVDs to the job pretty well, and the slot-in slot-out function.

Like investing, managing diet, etc, kinda food-pyramid scheme, where Internet and iPod at the bottom with most frequent and nearest the computer, to external hard drive less frequent and try to keep in another room at least (fires, theft, etc.), to DVDs as the top of the pyramid, least frequent, for archiving purposes, and IDEALLY going OFFSITE.
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I'm somewhat inspired to make a graph of different approaches to backing up as IMHO ... with two axes - frequency (time), and distance (from main data), and maybe a 3rd axis, ease-of-use, for example. But gotta kinda save my energy for this Apple reseller internship I'm doing at the moment.
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I kinda agree with both of you, and I think the people that truly understand backing up are those that have suffered. Typical of humans ... But we can manage the risks.

It is important to reiterate as some of y'all have done that backing up has both a TIME and SPACE component to it. That is, when stuff is backed up, and WHERE (physical location) it is backed up to. And WHERE the backup is.

My approach in advising others is always :: Internet/ .Mac/ GoogleMail [yes] for critical, frequent backup items. iPods also. External hard disk for overall backups, 1-4 times a month, depending on need. The External Hard Disk should normally be AWAY from your main computer, that is, physically located AS FAR AS POSSIBLE from the main computer.

While an internal drive is an interesting idea, it would be better implemented as a "slot" solution. Kinda like loading magazines in a rifle (yeah, I've been playing GhostRecon: AdvancedWarfighter recently) -- Slot in, does the backup, slot out when travelling, transfer, moving to a different location (at least a different part of the house, or house instead of work for example). An innie-outie hard drive, so to speak.

But in this case archive and off-site, DVDs to the job pretty well, and the slot-in slot-out function.

Like investing, managing diet, etc, kinda food-pyramid scheme, where Internet and iPod at the bottom with most frequent and nearest the computer, to external hard drive less frequent and try to keep in another room at least (fires, theft, etc.), to DVDs as the top of the pyramid, least frequent, for archiving purposes, and IDEALLY going OFFSITE.

We can always dream about Apple implimenting hot pluggable drives.

As far as I'm concerned, they should do that for the Mac Pro.

But, I'd love to see one in the iMac. Push a button, the drive dismounts, and pops out a bit so you can remove it. Hot, hot, hot!!!
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I'm somewhat inspired to make a graph of different approaches to backing up as IMHO ... with two axes - frequency (time), and distance (from main data), and maybe a 3rd axis, ease-of-use, for example. But gotta kinda save my energy for this Apple reseller internship I'm doing at the moment.

A job!
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Originally Posted by sjk View Post

Exactly. Even if it's not the optimal solution a second internal hard drive could increase awareness of the importance of backups, something that's remained sadly underemphasized for too long (IMO). [edit: darn you other guys for posting before me!]

Slot-in Slot-out 2nd hard drive in Macs for consumers/ small enterprise would be cool. And maybe if they started leveraging iPods more for the keychains, bookmarks, prefs, etc. -- stuff that would fit on the iPod Nano [without having to explicitly "force" Disk usage on the iPod]...
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A job!

YES. OMFG. Part-time, shifts between home, some admin, and onthefloor retail, maybe leading some newbie training.
OMFG. WTF. ...Almost finishing my 2nd week after a Sat afternoon shift this weekend.

It is weird, balancing all the inspiration and ideas, with the calm of the retail area (and not freaking out people or the staff), and also understanding the business and how to influence management. I'm more looking at how to focus all my knowledge and ideas in a more real-world way. More of branding and strategy, little ideas, but influencing management and tweaking stuff on the retail floor. I might visit some small-large enterprise departments and some private schools in the area as part of my internship. All this and dealing with the bipolar. Whoa. Just taking it one step at a time, and covering my ass with appropriate backup (as in life) and exit strategy.
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Originally Posted by fisha View Post

its just a neater option. i hate having to faff with the USB cable on my dSLR which is behind a floppy rubber flap which looks like it'll break after repeated use.

Instead, i'd like to take the card out the camera walk up to the computer, card in hand slide it into the iMac, and start transferring the data.

Its just a more elegant solution than all the wires hanging about everywhere.


Is it possible to get a dock for your camera, my kodak has a dock and it sits nicley right beside the Imac, also acts a charger for the camera.
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ummm, have you been posting from your old username about lurking with a new name?

If so, you 're not trying too hard to keep it a secret...

Agreed
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[QUOTE=Haggar;1058272]Unfortunately, it seems that marketing departments and sales people are only interested in pushing products out the door and ringing up the cash register. All service issues afterwards are not their problem. I've seen this all the time at stores like CompUSA. The slick talking salesmen tell customers everything they want to hear: Buy this product and if you have any problems, you'll be first in line at the service department! You'll get your computer back the same day! They can give you a free loaner computer, etc...

The salesmen do this because they are not the ones who have to spend time fixing the damn things. There is no sense of accountability from sales and marketing people. So they think that they can just make wild promises to every customer they talk to. How would things change if your retailer/service center made the sales people repair the computers that they push onto customers? How about if Apple made their hardware designers work in the repair shops on a regular basis? Would the hardware designers be afraid to show their faces in the repair shop, knowing all the trouble that they cause for technicians? At least the other technicians would know whose cars to scrape with a key and throw eggs at.[/QUOTE

Bugger, how do you make these smiley thingamabobs work, bugger

very funny anyway
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...ummm, have you been posting from your old username about lurking with a new name?
If so, you 're not trying too hard to keep it a secret...

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Agreed

Heh. Shhh... Basically I'm now here, me is nvidia2008. Those that know my style will know who I used to post under. But I had to "go underground" since like I said now actually *OMFG* (seriously, it's a bloody miracle) working within Apple/ IT/ Business /Education circles. So any new users or those who only skim the forums will not recognize me. Previous username was too visible, and deprecated now. Also, I've done a lot of ranting and raving about different stuff that if some people that worked/ potentially worked with me read, they would be, heh, intrigued, to say the least.

Also, hopefully I will spend less time on the forums and doing more stuff *OMFG* in real life ..!!11!!
Heh. But you guys (and gal[s]) have been great all this while, even though we've had our scruff-ups.

Me is not n00b, me confident but me must open my mind to learn more and understand, and not be frustrated/ jaded by, Apple/ IT/ Life matrix.

Anyway from what I have read the real 1337's on these forums are those that had big posts "pre-blackout".
Remember, it's not the size of your post counts, it's how you use it......
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Bugger, how do you make these smiley thingamabobs work, bugger...

They changed some of it...!! ...The actual shortcut characters to show the smilies, not so much the actual graphics...
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Unfortunately, it seems that marketing departments and sales people are only interested in pushing products out the door and ringing up the cash register. All service issues afterwards are not their problem. I've seen this all the time at stores like CompUSA. The slick talking salesmen tell customers everything they want to hear: Buy this product and if you have any problems, you'll be first in line at the service department! You'll get your computer back the same day! They can give you a free loaner computer, etc...The salesmen do this because they are not the ones who have to spend time fixing the damn things. There is no sense of accountability from sales and marketing people. So they think that they can just make wild promises to every customer they talk to. How would things change if your retailer/service center made the sales people repair the computers that they push onto customers? How about if Apple made their hardware designers work in the repair shops on a regular basis? Would the hardware designers be afraid to show their faces in the repair shop, knowing all the trouble that they cause for technicians? At least the other technicians would know whose cars to scrape with a key and throw eggs at.

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very funny
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Yeah I have made my first few Mac sales (yes, again OMFG bloody miracle) ... I know if I get sucked into sales targets and all this stuff then it becomes counter-productive. I like to look at things from a branding and image perspective of the reseller, and try to approach it as a Semi-AppleGenius that knows, feels, and really thinks that someone would be better off in most cases on a Mac than a PC, or use a Mac alongside their PC, etc. etc. I've looked at Office for Mac and iWork '06 interoperability, and am kinda keeping tabs on Parallels 3188 so I know what's at stake. And also the iPods are pretty durable, my [Dad's] Shuffle 2nd gen is a pre-requisite for my runs. Survived a bit of rain as well.

There are numbers to be calculated at the end of the day/ week/ month/ etc. But then again there's a lot of intangible image, goodwill, research, branding factors that needs *at least* some integrity, I believe, or some just plain common sense of not badgering people, that do make companies successful. Nothing is perfect, but personally, my aim is to try and not be an ass.

In Asia things are a bit different though, people are willing to buy stuff if they get it cheap cheap cheap and then when it craps out they bitch a bit but usually then they're off looking for the next bargain.
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Unfortunately, it seems that marketing departments and sales people are only interested in pushing products out the door and ringing up the cash register. All service issues afterwards are not their problem. I've seen this all the time at stores like CompUSA. The slick talking salesmen tell customers everything they want to hear: Buy this product and if you have any problems, you'll be first in line at the service department! You'll get your computer back the same day! They can give you a free loaner computer, etc...

The salesmen do this because they are not the ones who have to spend time fixing the damn things. There is no sense of accountability from sales and marketing people. So they think that they can just make wild promises to every customer they talk to. How would things change if your retailer/service center made the sales people repair the computers that they push onto customers? How about if Apple made their hardware designers work in the repair shops on a regular basis? Would the hardware designers be afraid to show their faces in the repair shop, knowing all the trouble that they cause for technicians? At least the other technicians would know whose cars to scrape with a key and throw eggs at.

That's very true. I have often cursed the Apple designers for messing with a good design, a perfect example of which is the transition to tthe iSight iMacs, and for the mere existance of the eMac. But I don't fit into your description, luckily, because right after I get done selling a new iMac or MacBook Pro, I go into the back room and begin to fix those very same machines. Being both a sales outlet and service center for Macs, it's common for us to multi-task, or be jacks-of-all-trades. So when I describe the rigid and reliable design of a Mac mini or a MacBook Pro, I know what I'm talking about. When I tell someone buying from our store gets them priority repair service, I have the first-hand ability to back it up.
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Many serial numbers are in difficult to read places. Many devices have them on the bottom, or even inside the unit.

In the About This Mac screen in the Apple menu if you click on the Version number twice you can get the serial number...
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In the About This Mac screen in the Apple menu if you click on the Version number twice you can get the serial number...

I think most of us know that. I was pointing out that they can be hard to find on many products.
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I think most of us know that. I was pointing out that they can be hard to find on many products.

Well, sorrreeee! No need to get all nippy with me, old man... :P
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Well, sorrreeee! No need to get all nippy with me, old man... :P

You are strange. You attempt to correct me. When I point out that we know it, and that I'm making a point, you get upset.

Does this always happen to you?
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In the About This Mac screen in the Apple menu if you click on the Version number twice you can get the serial number...

OMFG I DID not know that. That is cool. ...I don't have to go into SystemProfiler now. And yeah, just ignore Melgross...
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We can always dream about Apple implimenting hot pluggable drives.
As far as I'm concerned, they should do that for the Mac Pro.
But, I'd love to see one in the iMac. Push a button, the drive dismounts, and pops out a bit so you can remove it. Hot, hot, hot!!!

I just read a brochure today (came nestled in the newspaper) from our good friends at HP|Compaq. They have it now for the HP Vista Home Media or something thingymajig. Pop out "media" external drive. I assume it is well thermal-cased-etc. to be portable and not burn your fingers when you pop it out.
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OMFG I DID not know that. That is cool. ...I don't have to go into SystemProfiler now. And yeah, just ignore Melgross...

You're serious?


You can also do this at the login screen with the ability to switch between your S/N, date/time, IP address, and network name.

macosxhints.com and then macworld.com had articles on how to change the default using the Terminal, but i can't find it.
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But I had to "go underground" since like I said now actually *OMFG* (seriously, it's a bloody miracle) working within Apple/ IT/ Business /Education circles.

Congrats on the job, dude.

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There are numbers to be calculated at the end of the day/ week/ month/ etc. But then again there's a lot of intangible image, goodwill, research, branding factors that needs *at least* some integrity, I believe

Hear hear.
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You are strange. You attempt to correct me. When I point out that we know it, and that I'm making a point, you get upset.

Does this always happen to you?

You might look at this last question yourself.
Often, when there is a discussion already going on, and someone feels they have some information to add they quote the last word from the discussion. It does not always mean that they are directing that comment only to (or directly at) the poster they quoted. Maybe its lazy, but its not, I don't think, malicious.
Nevertheless, your response is always indignation that someone is questioning your point or your knowledge.
Relax a little. Your reputation is secure.
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I just read a brochure today (came nestled in the newspaper) from our good friends at HP|Compaq. They have it now for the HP Vista Home Media or something thingymajig. Pop out "media" external drive. I assume it is well thermal-cased-etc. to be portable and not burn your fingers when you pop it out.

HP has had that for over a year. HP's is in an enclosure, but it doesn't have to be. Drives can get pretty warm, but in my experience, even with some older 15k drives, they really don't get that hot such as to risk burns. Proper system cooling is supposed to keep it manageable.
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Relax a little. Your reputation is secure.

Hardly! I know what he did last night and whom he did it with. \
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I just read a brochure today (came nestled in the newspaper) from our good friends at HP|Compaq. They have it now for the HP Vista Home Media or something thingymajig. Pop out "media" external drive. I assume it is well thermal-cased-etc. to be portable and not burn your fingers when you pop it out.

Yeah, but that's not Apple. I still have my hopes.

I've never burned my fingers on any of mine. It just needs a thin plastic sleeve. The newer cases often don't even have that. My Firmtek cases, for example, don't.
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You might look at this last question yourself.
Often, when there is a discussion already going on, and someone feels they have some information to add they quote the last word from the discussion. It does not always mean that they are directing that comment only to (or directly at) the poster they quoted. Maybe its lazy, but its not, I don't think, malicious.
Nevertheless, your response is always indignation that someone is questioning your point or your knowledge.
Relax a little. Your reputation is secure.

When I do that to someone they always complain. I then have to apologise. Why should I be different?
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Hardly! I know what he did last night and whom he did it with. \

That's ok, I wouldn't hide it from you.
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