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Apple Inc. and Adobe Systems Inc. are reportedly working behind the scenes to improve the performance of Adobe's Photoshop under Apple's next-generation Leopard operating system.

In an forum post made a few weeks ago, Adobe's Russell Williams explained how the integration of Photoshop with Leopard, due out a bit later this spring, will overcome an existing barrier to performance in the current version of the Mac OS X.

"Buffering is disabled by default in CS3 (Creative Suite 3) when running on Tiger because of an OS issue. Every 30 seconds, the OS pauses Photoshop for anywhere from a fraction of a second to several seconds as it manages that giant buffer cache," he wrote.

"If you're painting, this is a big problem, and it's why we made the 'disable VM buffering' plugin available for CS2. Apple says that issue is fixed in Leopard, but we haven't verified that yet."

In his post, Williams said Adobe's current plan for Photoshop CS3 is to enable VM buffering for big RAM machines running Leopard and disable it for Tiger.

"But we'll provide an 'enable VM buffering' plugin to override this on Tiger if you don't mind the Tiger pause," he added.
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Adobe is working with Apple. That's nice. Where were they at Photoshop 7, and CS

All I can say, is that running PS 7 on a new Intel Quad 2.66 with 4gb of RAM is mind-numbing. I know it's running rosetta, but COME ON!
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Briefly is spelt incorrectly.
'i' before 'e' except after 'c'.
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Briefly is spelt incorrectly.
'i' before 'e' except after 'c'.

nice first post
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Briefly is spelt incorrectly.
'i' before 'e' except after 'c'.

What about "weird"?
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Weird is weird.
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What about "weird"?

Weird is a weird exception.

Edit; Dayam, ya beat me to it, DM.
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is Photoshop one of the things being presented at NAB? if so, Leopard will come then.
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What about "weird"?

I always just go with "I before E except when not," then leave it up to the spell-checker. There's too many rulebreakers with that one to memorize them all.

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I guess this should prepare us for CS3 performing just as badly on MacTels with tiger as CS2 does on the same setup.... When they were designing Tiger, did they forget that PS is one of the most used apps out there? Well, I guess the "upgrade" price for CS3 will have the cost of Leopard tacked onto it...
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_before_e_except_after_c

However, `` In an forum post made a few weeks ago...'' should read:

In a forum post made a few weeks ago...

You place an n when the proceeding word begins with a vowel.
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NAB is for braodcast Tv. But the Adobe Preview of new Suite is on March 27th. Yesterday, at their earnings report Adobe said that there are no special Leopard features (that aren't also available when running on Tiger), but that performance is increased on the Intel machines over the PPC platform.
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Here comes the grammar police.
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Here comes the grammar police.

Actually that would be "Here come the grammar police." But you were probably just fishing.
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"Apple says that issue is fixed in Leopard, but we haven't verified that yet."

Doesn't sound like their working together *too* closely....
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post #16 of 46
Unless Apple seeds releases for some reason other than giving developers a chance to run the software on it and make adjustments, this isn't news.
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Actually that would be "Here come the grammar police." But you were probably just fishing.

Guess he figured his nearly 3k posts was not enough... :P I mean, I should be the one trying for it, not him.
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"Buffering is disabled by default in CS3 (Creative Suite 3) when running on Tiger because of an OS issue. Every 30 seconds, the OS pauses Photoshop for anywhere from a fraction of a second to several seconds as it manages that giant buffer cache," he wrote.

This may shed some light on some of the issues I am experiencing in PS CS3. I have the dual Xeon 3.0 mac pro with 8 gigs of ram but it never seems to use more than 4 gigs no matter how many applications I have open. Of course PS is running in Rosetta but I still use CS3 Beta exclusively all day long and it works pretty well aside from the occasional beach ball which may be explained by this buffer cache thing.

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Here comes the grammar police.

and the gandpa police not far behind
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Originally Posted by Superbass View Post

I guess this should prepare us for CS3 performing just as badly on MacTels with tiger as CS2 does on the same setup.

It doesn't though. I run CS3 beta all the time now under Tiger and with the exception of the lack of brush icons (guess they weren't working with Apple at that point), it runs great. Much faster than CS2. It's good news that it will be even faster under Leopard though.

This also goes for the new Maya 8.5 universal binary, which finally makes Maya usable under OS X. Still doesn't support hardware rendering with the GMA though.
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I run CS3 beta all the time now under Tiger and with the exception of the lack of brush icons

Which is why I run it in Rosetta, to get back the brush sizes. I can't function without accurate diameters for the brushes.

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I think it's the "spell-checking Nazis" that have emerged from the woodwork in this forum, not the grammar police, since we're talking about the most trivial of spelling errors here, not grammatical mistakes.

What's this forum coming to? Sad times indeed with so many taking out their spell-checking anger on Kasper...
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I've got to believe that Apple is thinking about all the articles that are coming comparing CS3 apps running under 10.5 and the same apps running on the same machine under XP or Vista. Of course the CS3 optimization for each platform could be to blame but the slower OS is going to take a lot of flak - first and foremost from Adobe.
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and the gandpa police not far behind

That's Grandpa.

Sorry, couldn't resist.
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Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_before_e_except_after_c

However, `` In an forum post made a few weeks ago...'' should read:

In a forum post made a few weeks ago...

You place an n when the proceeding word begins with a vowel.

Yeah, but what about the sentence "I'll see you in an hour!". You don't say "a hour". So another damn English freaking loophole.

And since we're ranting on this daggum language (that's a word, right???), all possesives written with an apostrophe (like "Fred's car"), and contractions on "is" are written with an apostrophe (like "Fred's late again!"), except for the freakin' word "it", which doesn't have the apostrophe for the possessive (or the contraction, I can never remember which its - or is it it's - supposed to be!). It really is one stupid-assed rule. And it gets more aggravating when those grammar police start nit-picking on it when you use it incorrectly.

And, finally, what in the world is wrong with ending a sentence in a preposition. When I want to get my jiggy on, why am I required to explain what I'm getting it onto?
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Originally Posted by willrob View Post

NAB is for braodcast Tv. But the Adobe Preview of new Suite is on March 27th. Yesterday, at their earnings report Adobe said that there are no special Leopard features (that aren't also available when running on Tiger), but that performance is increased on the Intel machines over the PPC platform.

NAB is for broadcast anything, TV, radio, and motion picture happens to be in the mix too for some reason. They do seem to be against satellite radio, I think the radio division may have been co-opted by Clear Channel.
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I've got to believe that Apple is thinking about all the articles that are coming comparing CS3 apps running under 10.5 and the same apps running on the same machine under XP or Vista. Of course the CS3 optimization for each platform could be to blame but the slower OS is going to take a lot of flak - first and foremost from Adobe.

According to Adobe, they will not be updating CS2 to run on Vista.

If you want to run Vista, you will also be running CS3. Though it does not take advantage of Vista's improved graphics capabilities because of all the delays in the final product.

All of this sounds eerily familiar to me...now where have I heard this before???

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That's Grandpa.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Actually the word is grandfather, with no capital first letter.
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I think it's the "spell-checking Nazis" that have emerged from the woodwork in this forum, not the grammar police, since we're talking about the most trivial of spelling errors here, not grammatical mistakes.

What's this forum coming to? Sad times indeed with so many taking out their spell-checking anger on Kasper...

Exactly, I couldn't give two balls myself. Or should that be "I could care less"
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Yeah, but what about the sentence "I'll see you in an hour!". You don't say "a hour". So another damn English freaking loophole.

More specifically the rule is words that start with a vowel sound are proceeded by an. Hour sounds like our so it gets the 'an' treatment.

-Grammar Security, eating dough nuts...
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Good lord, people, can we get back to the topic at hand?

The key thing here is that leopard will have system-wide grammar correction to improve Photoshop topic posting performance.
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Actually the word is grandfather, with no capital first letter

Right, as it isn't being used in place of a name. I believe that's how the rule goes. You would capitalize it if the sentence went something like, "Hey, Grandpa is on the phone!"

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You place an n when the proceeding word begins with a vowel.

Well not necesarrily. Most of the time, yeah...but there are a few exceptions. Like you wouldn't say "an ewe", you'd say "a ewe". And you wouldn't say a "honor", you'd say "an honor". So I think it's best to go by sound, rather than vowel/consonant.

Gotta love the English language. x.x
edit: Oh! Too late.

What was the topic really about? Oh yeah. That sounds great. I'm excited to think that it's quite possible Leopard/CS3 will be out by the time I finally get my Mac.
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Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_before_e_except_after_c

However, `` In an forum post made a few weeks ago...'' should read:

In a forum post made a few weeks ago...

You place an n when the proceeding word begins with a vowel.

The rule I learned in elementary school was:

"i" before "e" except after "c" or when sounds like "a" as in n"ei"hbor and w"ei"gh. But there are exceptions as stated in Wiki.
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Exactly, I couldn't give two balls myself. Or should that be "I could care less"

I couldn't care less.

I could care less implies that you are capable of caring less than you currently are. Which doesn't make too much sense when implying something doesn't mean anything to you.
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The key thing here is that leopard will have system-wide grammar correction to improve Photoshop topic posting performance.

This is definitely the best post of the whole thread. Congratulations for allowing me to laugh out loud !
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Originally Posted by jamezog View Post

I think it's the "spell-checking Nazis" that have emerged from the woodwork in this forum, not the grammar police, since we're talking about the most trivial of spelling errors here, not grammatical mistakes.

What's this forum coming to? Sad times indeed with so many taking out their spell-checking anger on Kasper...

I was thinking the same thing. Every news item we get, people criticize the spelling, the grammar or the importance of the article. The guys at AppleInsider bring whatever news they get their hands on and they run the forum very well. I think they deserve more respect.

Even if criticism is mentioned once, let it be. Don't overrun the whole thread with those type of posts.

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Originally Posted by djacopille

I've got to believe that Apple is thinking about all the articles that are coming comparing CS3 apps running under 10.5 and the same apps running on the same machine under XP or Vista. Of course the CS3 optimization for each platform could be to blame but the slower OS is going to take a lot of flak - first and foremost from Adobe.

I think this is what Apple are aiming at too. If they can show one of the most popular benchmarking programs running faster in OS X than Vista, it would look very favourably on them. It's a gamble of course because if after all that work it runs the same or slower then no one's going to care much. Also remember, all the Photoshop plugins are going to have to be recompiled for CS3 so that will affect adoption rate yet again.
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Originally Posted by Louzer View Post

Yeah, but what about the sentence "I'll see you in an hour!". You don't say "a hour". So another damn English freaking loophole.

And since we're ranting on this daggum language (that's a word, right???), all possesives written with an apostrophe (like "Fred's car"), and contractions on "is" are written with an apostrophe (like "Fred's late again!"), except for the freakin' word "it", which doesn't have the apostrophe for the possessive (or the contraction, I can never remember which its - or is it it's - supposed to be!). It really is one stupid-assed rule. And it gets more aggravating when those grammar police start nit-picking on it when you use it incorrectly.

And, finally, what in the world is wrong with ending a sentence in a preposition. When I want to get my jiggy on, why am I required to explain what I'm getting it onto?

Start a new thread. All are valid concerns and questions....
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Originally Posted by Tarnished Halo View Post

I couldn't care less.

I could care less implies that you are capable of caring less than you currently are. Which doesn't make too much sense when implying something doesn't mean anything to you.

You're new here, aren't you? If you read my comment again you should notice the quote marks I put round the quote, as in not my words.
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Originally Posted by Ireland View Post

Exactly, I couldn't give two balls myself. Or should that be "I could care less"

You probably COULD give two balls, but you likely wouldn't want to.
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Originally Posted by mugwump View Post

Good lord, people, can we get back to the topic at hand?

The key thing here is that leopard will have system-wide grammar correction to improve Photoshop topic posting performance.

Good one!
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