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Yes, just as there will always be systems out there that don't implement multi-forked systems. But what are the remote filesharing systems that the Finder implements clients for? AFP (Apple's), SMB, NFS... and for most people it's AFP and SMB. It doesn't have to be *ALL* systems out there to implement the necessary features, only that the ones Apple supplies clients for do. So here's the 64k$ question - how many of those selected protocols don't offer a way of pushing down file changes to the Finder client? If the answer is 'none', then it should be expected that this would be quite doable without a manual refresh.

How about WebDAV? I'm pretty sure it doesn't do notification. Or ftp, which Apple insists on using the Finder to gateway to.

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Seriously, while they may be the largest single-source vendor of embedded (which I'm not convinced of - I think Symbian is pretty damned large there), and server OSs, I don't believe they're even close to the largest OS in those markets. When you combine all the Unix/Linux variants sold by various vendors, together they more than equal the MS offerings. I mean seriously - think of all the embedded systems out there in consumer electronics, cars, medical devices, you name it. It's a *massive* space, and Windows is running at all in what slices of it? Phones, and... ? (Yes, I know that there's an Embedded Windows product, I honestly don't know what it runs on these days.)

It's true that Microsoft is only the #1 embedded OS maker in revenue, not in unit shipments, but it's certainly the dominant force in that industry these days. If you count in-house embedded OSes, like Cisco's routers, it may skew the numbers a little. But Symbian on this list is #4, behind Wind River and Palm.

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You haven't convinced me that it's the most common, by any means. I mean, you do realize that the programming language still with the largest use (as measured in shipping LOC) is COBOL, right? The PC market is, when you come down to it, just a piece of the whole, and not even a particularly massive one.

How many text files to those embedded OSes deal with? I'd argue that when you account for desktop and server OSes, you've already covered 90% of the text files in use.

And I'd like to see a citation for the oft-repeated assertion regarding COBOL. In the late 90's and early 00's, a lot of that code was ported to Java, which last I saw had the most number of new code lines shipped in any given year for several years now. (Objective-C isn't even on the radar-- another move of Apple's I consider somewhat boneheaded. The sooner Apple dumps ObjC the faster they'll pick up industry support.)

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Since our positions hinge solely on which line ending has the most common use, and we can't agree on that, (and I don't think either of us going to uncover compelling evidence to that end) let's just agree to disagree, alright?

That's how this problem happened in the first place....
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How about WebDAV? I'm pretty sure it doesn't do notification. Or ftp, which Apple insists on using the Finder to gateway to.

That's why I asked it as a question.

Odd, I just opened an ftp Finder window to my server, plopped a file on there, and it did pop up. Took a couple of seconds, but it did show up. Polling on the protocols that need it, you think?

Considering that there's a delay/lack of update even with *local* disks, I think it's pretty obvious that they need to FTFF. There, there's no excuse, and no need for a manual refresh trigger. Agreed?

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It's true that Microsoft is only the #1 embedded OS maker in revenue, not in unit shipments, but it's certainly the dominant force in that industry these days. If you count in-house embedded OSes, like Cisco's routers, it may skew the numbers a little. But Symbian on this list is #4, behind Wind River and Palm.

Source? I'd like a peek at it.

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How many text files to those embedded OSes deal with? I'd argue that when you account for desktop and server OSes, you've already covered 90% of the text files in use.

The linefeed/newline issue affects not only text *files*, but text strings, text pipes, etc, etc, etc. It's rather pervasive.

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And I'd like to see a citation for the oft-repeated assertion regarding COBOL. In the late 90's and early 00's, a lot of that code was ported to Java, which last I saw had the most number of new code lines shipped in any given year for several years now.

I'll see what I can track down - last time I saw it repeated was about three years ago in an ACM publication (Communications?).

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(Objective-C isn't even on the radar-- another move of Apple's I consider somewhat boneheaded. The sooner Apple dumps ObjC the faster they'll pick up industry support.)

I will never understand the urge to follow the herd, when the herd is going in circles. Java is, without a doubt, one of my least favorite languages. Gosling should have stuck to toasters.

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That's how this problem happened in the first place....

What problem?
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post #43 of 46
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Remember there were rumors about the delaying of appleTV or the airport express (I forget which one), and later, apple jumped out claiming no delay... and later, the product did delay.

Well, you can never trust apple's statement about those thing, the information could be interpreted as apple will try its best to meet the late spring deadline, but whether they could do it remains unclear.

You're right, if something last minute and unexpected comes out, and Apple still wants to deliver a great product they will delay it as they did with the Apple TV. But since we can't predict the future and forsee a problem at the last minute, I'm just going to say that it'll be on time.

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Is this some kind of A sick joke or what? I've been Looking-Up if Mac OS X (10.5) "Leopard" is out, but nobody can Confirm-It yet. Some Reports are saying that it's Delayed and some on Time. So, I don't know.
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Is this some kind of A sick joke or what? I've been Looking-Up if Mac OS X (10.5) "Leopard" is out, but nobody can Confirm-It yet. Some Reports are saying that it's Delayed and some on Time. So, I don't know.

I don't get it. You are looking to find if it is already out?

Where did you come across that?
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Originally Posted by STEPHEN RAY SNELL View Post

Is this some kind of A sick joke or what? I've been Looking-Up if Mac OS X (10.5) "Leopard" is out, but nobody can Confirm-It yet. Some Reports are saying that it's Delayed and some on Time. So, I don't know.*snip* Reason? A bit annoying to look at 3 posts in a row. -Sebastian

Not Delayed, just a sick joke.

Until Apple says otherwise, it's running on time for a Spring 07 release, with the last day of spring being June 20th.


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