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One of the largest online retailers has let slip the entire launch strategy for Adobe's Creative Suite 3 and its various individual apps -- and revealed that PowerPC-based Macs may soon become second-class citizens in the program designer's eyes.

Adobe may not be set to formally announce its CS3 software lineup until March 27th, but a leak by Amazon Canada has laid bare almost all of the software developer's price plans days in advance.

While the full price list borders on the intimidating, the cost for users varies from as little as $110 Canadian ($95 US) for a Contribute CS3 upgrade to $3,440 ($2,969 US) for the complete Master Collection that bundles Adobe's deluxe artistic and video editing tools.

The CS3 Design and Production Premium suites for artists remain under wraps, though the Web Standard edition will sell for $1,375 ($1,186 US), suggesting a ballpark figure for its Design equal. European prices were revealed on Friday.

Not all of these offerings will be available to every Mac user, however. Amazon has tellingly earmarked each Mac edition with separate "Mac OS X" and "Mac OS X Intel" labels that indicate which of Apple's computers will run Adobe's latest software. Although most users of legacy PowerPC systems can be assured that their existing tools will see new life in the CS3 upgrade, including current CS2 and former Macromedia web apps, the Master Collection is listed as Intel-only -- revealing that some or all of the revived Mac video editing components are unlikely to ever receive native PowerPC code.

Those looking to return to Encore, Premiere Pro, or Soundbooth will also have to wait longer than the majority of their fellow users, if published release dates prove to be more than just Amazon's rough shipping estimates. Most of Adobe's new packages will ship as early as April 20th; less than fortunate shoppers hoping to pick up the top-end Master Collection are told to wait until July 1st, however, suggesting that the online store has been fed information directly from Adobe's sell sheets.

With the majority of Adobe's strategy now exposed, Tuesday's announcement needs only to formalize US prices to give customers a complete snapshot of CS3's future.

Adobe Creative Suite 3.0 Retail Packaging (click for larger view).

Update: Amazon's US website now lists Adobe Creative Suite CS3 Web Premium for $1599, Adobe Creative Suite CS3 Master Collection for $2499, Adobe Creative Suite CS3 Production Premium for $1199 and Adobe Creative Suite CS3 Design Premium for $1599.

Adobe Creative Suite 3.0 Bundle Breakdown.
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Not so good for me and my powerbook.
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so many boxes!
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Ok this is total BS in my opinion...Adobe has had all the time in the world to convert all their major apps to a uni binary.. why would they alienate a major % of users who are still using PPC macs? I for one am one of them (DCG5 user), and am not going to be upgrading anytime soon to an Intel mac when my machine is barely 2 yrs old. I just don't get it.
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A thought here... Adobe's software packaging is utter crap.

Ever since the CS series product came out, it has been very difficult to visually distinguish the apps, and the CS3 stuff looks ten times worse. Holy ----!.

I suppose one could blame it on the current raft of designers out there with only a few years under their belts, but Adobe should take most of the blame for not insisting on something more distinctive... Really awful, awful stuff. I honestly can't tell the difference between any of the packages now, other than by reading the name. If I'm a store-level consumer, there's no way I could relate if I knew of the old Illustrator and Photoshop boxes. Illustrator always had the woman in the clamshell and Photoshop always had a camera lens with an eye.

Adobe... hire someone else with experience if there are any good studios left. I'd be happy to work on retainer as Art Director. I'd even be willing to discuss strategies for a percentage of increased sales with an improved packaging line.

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Ok this is total BS in my opinion...Adobe has had all the time in the world to convert all their major apps to a uni binary.. why would they alienate a major % of users who are still using PPC macs? I for one am one of them (DCG5 user), and am not going to be upgrading anytime soon to an Intel mac when my machine is barely 2 yrs old. I just don't get it.

It's a pretty sound business strategy on their part... the people for whom the extra performance of an Intel Mac are worth it are their primary customers, so almost all of them will be on Intel. And it would cost quite a lot to back-port some of the functionality to PowerPC for the packages that weren't in CS2, while porting from Win32 to Carbon is probably a lot easier. So from a return-on-investment standpoint, it's a no-brainer decision.
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Ok this is total BS in my opinion...Adobe has had all the time in the world to convert all their major apps to a uni binary.. why would they alienate a major % of users who are still using PPC macs? I for one am one of them (DCG5 user), and am not going to be upgrading anytime soon to an Intel mac when my machine is barely 2 yrs old. I just don't get it.

Take the expected profit of making a Universal Binary version of CS3, then divide by the cost* to create for both Intel and PPC platforms.

Now, take the expected profit of making a Intel Binary version of CS3, then divide by the cost to create for only the Intel platform.

Greater value prevails.


* Cost also includes the profit lost from delay to market due to writing, testing and optimizing CS3 software for a 2nd platform.
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Doesn't Amazon ALWAYS seem to do this? It seems like you could just insert most products that Apple has released in the last 5 years into the headline, and it would be true.
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Does anyone know the future of Macromedia/Adobe Director MX 2004 ?? I did not see it?
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Adobe has had all the time in the world to convert all their major apps to a uni binary.. why would they alienate a major % of users who are still using PPC macs? I for one am one of them (DCG5 user), and am not going to be upgrading anytime soon to an Intel mac when my machine is barely 2 yrs old. I just don't get it.

I think this is the same thing we were told 3 or 4 months ago.

ie: Adobe, which discontinued its video products for Mac several years ago, is bringing its video products to Mac. However - it is doing Intel only for those products.

I don't think this article contradicts that earlier report in any way. Anyone know more?

If so we can relax - All the Adobe apps that are currently available on the Mac will continue to be available for PPC Mac. Intel owners will have some extra choices.
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So Web Premium Upgrade should be around US$600 or less. I can swing that!

Photoshop CS3 Extended
Flash CS3 Pro
Dreamweaver CS3
Fireworks CS3
Contribute CS3
Illustrator CS3
Acrobat 8 Pro

It's Christmas time for my Dock

I'd like to think the pricing would vary based on how MANY of the bundled apps you already own (I have all but Illustrator, but do own Freehand) but I can deal either way. I'm still using pretty old versions like DW MX and PS 7! \

P.S. Here's AI's chart of what's in the bundles: http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=2596

EDIT: Thanks Deestar!

Also, here's PS CS3 vs. PS CS3 "Extended":
http://www.adobe.com/products/photos...sext_info.html
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Doesn't Amazon ALWAYS seem to do this? It seems like you could just insert most products that Apple has released in the last 5 years into the headline, and it would be true.

Notable exceptions would be iLife '07 iWork '07 and .Mac 2007.
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The box designs are not HORRIBLE, but they look sort of cheap. They remind me of all of those early website templates that were WAY overdone.
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The color flows don't serve a purpose to inform the prospective buyer what type of market this software is used within.

Making every package look like a desktop wallpaper with some non-linear/chaotic plot curves that are ala filters is quite artsy I'll agree. Too bad that the publishing industry is mostly text with some graphics to enhance the textual content.
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July 1st!!! That is ugly. I'm so sick of InDesign crashing on me several times per day!
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RIP Freehand?
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Does anyone know the future of Macromedia/Adobe Director MX 2004 ?? I did not see it?

Yeah, Director. What about Director?
Dig up some rumors about that, AI. Director has always been paiinfully slow on Mac OS X. I hope they're giving it a huge boost for intel macs, and that they clean up the UI and stuff.
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while porting from Win32 to Carbon is probably a lot easier

You hit the nail on the head there. I reckon that CS4 will be Intel only for just that reason. Adobe have always hated the extra work in keeping a Mac and a Windows port of their software in development, and being one of the prime pushers behind Carbon in the first place they're probably using the Intel transition to streamline their process.

PowerPC: 1994-2006 as far as Adobe care. And the way they code, they're probably right.
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July 1st!!! That is ugly. I'm so sick of InDesign crashing on me several times per day!

Calm down.

The only way you have to wait until July 1st is if you're buying the master's collection version. It is delayed, as Adobe said it would be, because their port of the video apps to Intel binaries is going to take longer than the other products are.

InDesign in all the non-video packages looks to be shipping on April 20th, if Amazon got it right.



The new look of Illy has me very interested. I have played with PhotoShop CS3 and liked what I saw before problems with beta Bridge caused me to uninstall it.

Now the hundred-million-dollar question: "How much is it gonna cost me to go from CS2 Premium to the CS3 Design Premium?"

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I didn't see any upgrade prices. Did anyone else see anything on this?
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Calm down.

The only way you have to wait until July 1st is if you're buying the master's collection version. It is delayed, as Adobe said it would be, because their port of the video apps to Intel binaries is going to take longer than the other products are.

InDesign in all the non-video packages looks to be shipping on April 20th, if Amazon got it right.



The new look of Illy has me very interested. I have played with PhotoShop CS3 and liked what I saw before problems with beta Bridge caused me to uninstall it.

Now the hundred-million-dollar question: "How much is it gonna cost me to go from CS2 Premium to the CS3 Design Premium?"

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I didn't see any upgrade prices. Did anyone else see anything on this?

Ahh, that's more reasonable. Doubt I'll be getting the master collection, just the Designer Premium. I hope they do offer upgrade pricing. They have many users over a barrel with the whole Intel thing.
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Unless I missed something, all the Adobe apps that were already available in PowerPC versions will still be available in PowerPC versions in CS3. The only Intel-only apps will be the new Mac versions of Premiere, Soundbooth, and Encore. G5 users will probably be content to stick with Final Cut Studio; I'm very skeptical that Adobe will be able to come close to Apple's efforts with those apps, but hey - competition is not a bad thing.
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The color flows don't serve a purpose to inform the prospective buyer what type of market this software is used within.

I can't think of any way of marking or coloring it such that it would, and not look weird. Does Apple have such a system for their software? At the moment, consumer Apple apps are in white boxes, pro is black, with some icon/logo to suggest the type of app, but Apple's pro apps don't cross industry lines the ways Adobe's does.
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Whats the difference between upsell and upgrade?
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"It's a pretty sound business strategy on their part... the people for whom the extra performance of an Intel Mac are worth it are their primary customers..."

I totally disagree. The professional design community is and has always been (generally speaking) among the last to embrace any new technology. Hell, a significant percentage of the designers out there are still using Quark 4! The mere thought of giving up Classic mode would be enough to give many designers a heart attack!

My guess is that a very high percentage of pro designers are running and will continue to run PowerPC-based Macs for some years to come.
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Whats the difference between upsell and upgrade?

Upgrade is when you replace a lesser version that you already own with a better version. Upsell is when you intend to buy one thing, say PS CS3, but the salesman tries to convince you that you need something that's more expensive, such as the extended version of PS CS3. Both are probably upgrades from whatever image software you use, but the extended version is the upsell of the standard version.
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"It's a pretty sound business strategy on their part... the people for whom the extra performance of an Intel Mac are worth it are their primary customers..."

I totally disagree. The professional design community is and has always been (generally speaking) among the last to embrace any new technology. Hell, a significant percentage of the designers out there are still using Quark 4! The mere thought of giving up Classic mode would be enough to give many designers a heart attack!

My guess is that a very high percentage of pro designers are running and will continue to run PowerPC-based Macs for some years to come.

I agree with you 100%. The reason is simply this: most designers are loathe to shell out money on hardware and software upgrade because most of their business is highly sensitive to price competition and business is usually cyclical. There can be "dry" spots that go for months. Another thing, service bureaus and in-house production departments will seldom upgrade their equipment for years after revised software has been released because they stick with what works.

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As some who writes and edits books in InDesign, I'd like to offer Adobe thanks for the new long document features. I've got a book in progress that was designed assuming they would add running headers and footers. They did not disappoint

I'm not quite sure what "synchronized master pages" are. A Google search turned up absolutely no hits. But if it's what I think it is, then more thanks are in order. It'll mean that I can tell InDesign to automatically apply a chapter master page to every page with a chapter heading style. That'll save a lot of hassle.

Unfortunately, there wasn't any mention of the two other major pains of doing books in InDesign. First, while magazines and newspapers usually have their length fixed in advance, books have to grow or shrink as they're edited and proofed. I saw nothing about the new InDesign being smart enough make the page count fit the text length (as in FrameMaker). Second, all InDesign users need a way to break multi-column text for a single column heading and then return to multi-column text in the same text frame. Currently, we face the misery of ending a multi-column text frame, adding a single-column frame for the heading, and then creating yet another multicolumn frame--all of which have to be adjusted when the text length changes. Number of columns should be an attribute of a paragraph and not of the frame, again like FrameMaker, the preeminent long document application. Ditto the feature of hanging quote marks into margins. Make in a paragraph feature rather than a story/frame feature and add sub/superscripts to the hanging. They're as tiny as quotes and look just as bad.

Anyone want to hazard a guess as to what Adobe is putting into the Notes menu? To see it, check out the aquoLIFE screenshot in Amazon Canada's description of InDesign.

http://www.amazon.ca/17510933-Adobe-...874398&sr=1-93

It may just be a full-featured way to add editorial notes to text, displaying them or not. But that hardly seems worth its own first-level menu. That would fit easily under the View menu. My hope is that InDesign is now clever enough to take input from multiple Acrobat Reader reviews, taking them from the returned PDF files and showing them in InDesign where they are in the PDF file. No more looking back and forth between Reader and InDesign. No more paging here and there. But that's such a marvelously useful feature, I'd think Adobe would be trumpting it as loudly as possible. Correctly a long and complex book with that new feature would save hours of work.

Finally, I've seen the new user interface demoed with the Photoshop beta and love it. Adobe is getting rid of palette clutter, my #1 gripe with CS2.

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What a confusing mess of a software line. This day marks the Microsoftization of Adobe.

On another note, Canadians rule!

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post #30 of 48
I need...Photoshop, Illustrator, Indesign, Dreamweaver, and After Effects; there's not really a sweet package deal for me
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ok, so what I feared is true.
Owning both CS2 and Studio 8 bundles (AND AE7, for that) does not give me a sweat upgrade path. I pay as much as people owning only one of those.
This to me is completely unfair. I have payed for these licences already.
But an even bigger blow is the PPC alienation. What is THAT?
As a professional designer, I cannot live without Adobe software. A lot of people are in the same boat as me. Adobe, again, misuses their position.
I hate it. I realy do.

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Presumably Apple knew and knows the CS3 release date. What impact and hints could this give of Leopard's release date? If Leopard's GUI is new wont CS3 for Mac need to be changed too?
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ok, so what I feared is true.
Owning both CS2 and Studio 8 bundles (AND AE7, for that) does not give me a sweat upgrade path. I pay as much as people owning only one of those.
This to me is completely unfair. I have payed for these licences already.
But an even bigger blow is the PPC alienation. What is THAT?
As a professional designer, I cannot live without Adobe software. A lot of people are in the same boat as me. Adobe, again, misuses their position.
I hate it. I realy do.

Mark

I could be wrong but only the software that was windows only and (re)introduced to the Mac-platform is Intel native,
everything else is PPC compliant.

I'll probably go for an Adobe CS3 Design Premium upgrade.
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I guess this is what was in the box all along

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCs2lu7KoOk
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I didn't see any upgrade prices. Did anyone else see anything on this?

Try this: http://images.macrumors.com/article/...adepricing.png
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The box designs are not HORRIBLE, but they look sort of cheap. They remind me of all of those early website templates that were WAY overdone.

They look like as if Adobe was bought by Corel.
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Can you just buy the programs separately, or do you *have* to buy one of these dorky "suites?"
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Freehand, GoLive man why get rid of 2 outstanding programs that have a HUGH following!

This is a first for me I wish the government had said that Adobe had to sell any programs that MM was selling them, that Adobe already had a version of i.e., Freehand / Illustrator - GoLive / Dreamweaver

It seems like a very good business move ; buy the #1 - #2 (depending on the version) of software and bury it. Now you have the #1 app's in all catagories and there isn't a thing anyone can do about it.

You can't make an application that looks like Freehand / GoLive - acts like Freehand / GoLive, - feels like Freehand / GoLive, cuz if it looks like, feels like, acts like then it is, and you'll be in deep shit with Adboe Just seems like the wrong thing happended here

It's a safe bet, that if MicroSoft had purchased MM, the government would have stepped in, and told them to sell-off and competing applications the one time I wish MS had done something.

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So what version are we up to....13, and still no multipage support.
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