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Okay, after my 20 years on the Dark Side, I have seen the light and ordered a 17" MacBook Pro with the faster (but smaller) 7200 RPM, 100GB disk.

1. I have a bazillion .jpg, .mp3 and .m4a files on my XP (on an external NTFS formated disk). Will my new Mac see those files (can it read the disk)? If not, what do I do to get them on the Mac?

2. Is there a disk image program like Acronis True Image available for the Mac? That program is a real time saver.

3. What is the main email program used in the Mac world? Outlook or something else? I am familiar with MS Office and know that they have ported it over to Mac but I see that Apple has iWork... which I know nothing about.

4. Do I need an antivirus program?

THANKS!
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Oh yeah...

5. Is there any reason to get a .Mac account?
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1. I have a bazillion .jpg, .mp3 and .m4a files on my XP (on an external NTFS formated disk). Will my new Mac see those files (can it read the disk)? If not, what do I do to get them on the Mac?

It should be able to read the external drive. OS X just doesn't have write support. Sometimes people have trouble mounting them but try it first. There are quite a few workarounds if it doesn't mount.

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2. Is there a disk image program like Acronis True Image available for the Mac? That program is a real time saver.

Disk Utility is a built in disk image tool that handles most types you'd need like .dmg and .iso.

For cloning drives for backups, you can use Carbon Copy Cloner or SuperDuper. Time Machine in OS X 10.5 Leopard should be the best solution.

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3. What is the main email program used in the Mac world? Outlook or something else? I am familiar with MS Office and know that they have ported it over to Mac but I see that Apple has iWork... which I know nothing about.

Everybody I know uses Entourage on Mac, which is part of the Office suite. I personally use Apple's own Mail software but I don't do a lot of emailing so I don't know the advantages and disadvantages of each.

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4. Do I need an antivirus program?

Only if you run Windows. So far, there are only really proof of concept viruses for OS X that aren't in circulation. If you deal with Windows users though, it may still be handy to get a Mac AV program so you don't pass anything on. There are very few AV packages available but one is ClamXAV:

http://www.markallan.co.uk/clamXav/

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Is there any reason to get a .Mac account?

Nope. Unless you need what features it offers but I don't know anyone who has one.
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Oh yeah...

5. Is there any reason to get a .Mac account?

You can get a 60 day trail for free. Give it a try.
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Oh yeah...

5. Is there any reason to get a .Mac account?

I have one. If you're interested in using iWeb for a web page, .mac is really useful, and is worth the cost to me for the convenience factor. Otherwise, I don't think there's any reason to bother.
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Okay, after my 20 years on the Dark Side, I have seen the light and ordered a 17" MacBook Pro with the faster (but smaller) 7200 RPM, 100GB disk.

1. I have a bazillion .jpg, .mp3 and .m4a files on my XP (on an external NTFS formated disk). Will my new Mac see those files (can it read the disk)? If not, what do I do to get them on the Mac?

2. Is there a disk image program like Acronis True Image available for the Mac? That program is a real time saver.

3. What is the main email program used in the Mac world? Outlook or something else? I am familiar with MS Office and know that they have ported it over to Mac but I see that Apple has iWork... which I know nothing about.

4. Do I need an antivirus program?

THANKS!

Hi KINGME,

Welcome to Macland. See my post here (#17) for answers to many of your questions

http://forums.appleinsider.com/showt...15#post1043215

This site is usuallt pretty good about helping switchers so ask away.
post #7 of 40
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Thanks for the feedback guys!

It sorta sucks that all of these operating systems have to use different drive formats. If Apple runs on UNIX and IBM made UNIX computers... and if IBM invented the PC... how did IBM (or whomever) manage to screw the pooch on that one?!

What I want to do is install iTunes and keep all the music files on Western Digital 500GB Firewire 800 drive. I also want to use that as my scratch disk for Photoshop.

I just saw on the Apple site that I should be able to connect my Mac to my PC with a LAN cable. I have no idea how easy this is. But if it works, I can format the WD drive to OSX and copy all the music files from my PC to the HD and be done with it.

Right?
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Thanks for the feedback guys!

It sorta sucks that all of these operating systems have to use different drive formats. If Apple runs on UNIX and IBM made UNIX computers... and if IBM invented the PC... how did IBM (or whomever) manage to screw the pooch on that one?!

What I want to do is install iTunes and keep all the music files on Western Digital 500GB Firewire 800 drive. I also want to use that as my scratch disk for Photoshop.

I just saw on the Apple site that I should be able to connect my Mac to my PC with a LAN cable. I have no idea how easy this is. But if it works, I can format the WD drive to OSX and copy all the music files from my PC to the HD and be done with it.

Right?

IBM didn't invent the NTFS filesystem, that was Microsoft. OS X has read only access to NTFS but that's useless for what you intend on using it for. I would recommend you backup all your files to another drive and reformat your drive into a more Mac friendly format like HFS+. Photoshop will NOT work with a scratch disk in NTSF format. Neither will iTunes. And honestly, using a Firewire disk is never a good idea for a PS scratch disk. It's not fast enough and if left inactive for too long the drive actually makes PS perform worse since it goes to sleep so often.
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Isn't FireWire 800 super fast? I figured that with such a large drive and with such high speed that it would work great for a scratch disk.
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And honestly, using a Firewire disk is never a good idea for a PS scratch disk. It's not fast enough and if left inactive for too long the drive actually makes PS perform worse since it goes to sleep so often.

Aside from eSATA, name an external interface that is both widely accepted and faster than Firewire 800.

Mmmhm.
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It sorta sucks that all of these operating systems have to use different drive formats. If Apple runs on UNIX and IBM made UNIX computers... and if IBM invented the PC... how did IBM (or whomever) manage to screw the pooch on that one?!

I think all these sort of things help the vendor lock-in that big companies like. Imagine companies that have huge databases of storage and want to switch systems. It ain't going to happen easily. I think all consumers long for standardization but as the HD vs Blu-Ray war shows, vendors don't unless it happens to be their own 'standard'.

We actually already have filesystems that can be used universally like the UDF format on DVDs but the trouble is they lack features or are not stable enough for use with a desktop operating system.

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I just saw on the Apple site that I should be able to connect my Mac to my PC with a LAN cable. I have no idea how easy this is. But if it works, I can format the WD drive to OSX and copy all the music files from my PC to the HD and be done with it.

Right?

Yeah, you basically connect to the PC IP address using SMB and access a share that you set up. Then it should mount as a drive. You can read and write this drive even though it's NTFS too because it's done over the network. If there's a lot of stuff, you'll be in for a bit of a wait. If I remember right, I got about 1GB per minute transfer using FW400 and 100MBps ethernet.

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Isn't FireWire 800 super fast? I figured that with such a large drive and with such high speed that it would work great for a scratch disk.

Sure but you already have a 7200 rpm internal drive so I don't imagine the external will be any faster. It still helps cut down fragmentation though. What I would do is benchmark and see if you actually see a difference in performance. If not, I'd suggest keeping it off especially if it's a backup drive. I have seen performance increases using a 7200 external scratch disk on machines with 5400 internals and I can't say I've experienced any issues with the drive sleeping but like I say, if it's a backup drive and your internal comes out the same, you likely won't see much benefit.
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All major document formats are cross compatible from Macs to PCs. Also, surprisingly enough, Mac OS X complies more tightly with technology standards than Windows because Microsoft likes to (and has enough market share to) do their own thing to a certain extent. There may be a program you can download that will allow for edit of NTSF. If not, you can always reformat to a drive format that is cross compatible.

Good luck with the switch. It should be very painless, and despite popular misconception in the Windows world, there are a lot of great free applications that do anything your free PC applications can do, and more. Plus, they generally have a better UI as well.
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There may be a program you can download that will allow for edit of NTFS.

There is: check out MacFUSE.

Amorya
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This shouldn't be a problem. What you'll first need to do is connect it to your Mac, copy all the files from it temporarily onto your Mac. Use disk utility to format the drive as MS-DOS (which formats it to FAT32 so that both Windows and Mac computers can get files from it and put files on it). Be careful when formatting - it will erase EVERYTHING on the drive so make sure you backed up everything first! You could format it as HFS+ as stated previously but then only Mac computers will be able to use it. Best bet is MS-DOS (FAT32). After that's done, just copy all the files back on it from your Mac.
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Good luck with the switch. It should be very painless, and despite popular misconception in the Windows world, there are a lot of great free applications that do anything your free PC applications can do, and more. Plus, they generally have a better UI as well.

Well, I got my Mac last Friday but I have to get a replacement because the metal case was deformed around the DVD device. \

I'm waiting on my FedEx return labels and then another week of getting my replacement.

I'm disappointed in the quality of a $2700 machine but I suppose things happen.

One thing to note for everyone out there wanting to buy a new computer online... if you change ANYTHING from the default settings (like I changed it from the larger, slower drive to the smaller but faster 100GB drive) it becomes a "CUSTOM" computer and then you can't return it or take it in to an Apple store for replacement. I didn't see that clearly spelled out anywhere and the top of the order page even encourages you to "Customize Your Mac").

Needless to say, my first "Apple Experience" (as one AppleCare clerk expressed it) has not been as happy as my last 10 "Dell Experiences".
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Ya, bad Apples do occur. Question, why did you purchase it toward the end of the life cycle?
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Ya, bad Apples do occur. Question, why did you purchase it toward the end of the life cycle?

I just bought the thing last week. I have no idea when the next version will be out.
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Well, I got my Mac last Friday but I have to get a replacement because the metal case was deformed around the DVD device. \

I'm waiting on my FedEx return labels and then another week of getting my replacement.

I'm disappointed in the quality of a $2700 machine but I suppose things happen.

One thing to note for everyone out there wanting to buy a new computer online... if you change ANYTHING from the default settings (like I changed it from the larger, slower drive to the smaller but faster 100GB drive) it becomes a "CUSTOM" computer and then you can't return it or take it in to an Apple store for replacement. I didn't see that clearly spelled out anywhere and the top of the order page even encourages you to "Customize Your Mac").

Needless to say, my first "Apple Experience" (as one AppleCare clerk expressed it) has not been as happy as my last 10 "Dell Experiences".

Bummer! Good, important feedback though for this forum, Thank you.

Long term, you'll be a happy camper. No more countless hours spent receiving endless Windows security & OS updates, anti-virus updates and file scans, anti-spyware updates and file scans, no more hours of de-fragging, no more fighting a death-dual with Control Panel Add/Remove Programs with one that will not uninstall, no more MS telling you that it must scan your drive to make sure that you have "Genuine/Trusted" software installed, etc. etc. etc.

Check out all the free and cheap APPs that make the Mac such a pleasant computing experience. Here are a few of my favorites (other posters might add theirs): Path Finder, Carbon Copy Cloner (probably will be obsoleted by Leopard), iClip, Papers, HandBrake, 1passwrd, Paparazzi, Firefox and of course iTunes.
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Originally Posted by KiNGME View Post

Well, I got my Mac last Friday but I have to get a replacement because the metal case was deformed around the DVD device. \

I'm waiting on my FedEx return labels and then another week of getting my replacement.

I'm disappointed in the quality of a $2700 machine but I suppose things happen.

One thing to note for everyone out there wanting to buy a new computer online... if you change ANYTHING from the default settings (like I changed it from the larger, slower drive to the smaller but faster 100GB drive) it becomes a "CUSTOM" computer and then you can't return it or take it in to an Apple store for replacement. I didn't see that clearly spelled out anywhere and the top of the order page even encourages you to "Customize Your Mac").

Needless to say, my first "Apple Experience" (as one AppleCare clerk expressed it) has not been as happy as my last 10 "Dell Experiences".

I've never had a bad hardware experience from Apple. When my sister's laptop broke down, they said it would take up to 2 weeks to fix. We got it backed, fixed and perfect a little over 24 hours after we had shipped it to them.

On the other hand, the eMachine I bought completely choked: after a year and a half the hard drive, CPU & Motherboard, and Power Unit all broke.

And yes. You should have waited to buy. MacBook Pro is due for a hardware upgrade... as well as a software upgrade soon (Leopard).
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Days Since Update of Macbook Pro =160
Average Time (in days) between updates = 182

Most new comers to the mac platform dont realize apple doesnt increment things gradually like processor speed, ram, hard drive space etc over the course of the year. Apple instead elects to update everything at once at about half a year intervals. It's not a rule, but apple seems to prefer this approach.
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I thought that the 17" was fairly new. Oh well.

Dell does a really good job of never making you feel that you "missed the boat" because no two systems are ever the same even a week apart. They have all these specials and so many options that you could never replicate an order from one week to the next.

That said, the eMachines are JUNK. So are the low end Dells. They use cheap (not just inexpensive) components and their quality is low. We bought about six cheap Dells a few years back and two had to have their motherboards replaced (everything is integrated into the motherboard so if one thing goes bad it all goes bad).

I returned my Apple yesterday so they should have it tomorrow. Let's have a group hug and prayer meeting so that Apple updates their specs this morning and I am first to get the next gen 17"!
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Kingme,

Here's an idea for your consideration. A lot of folks are in the same boat as you are in now, waiting for the new hardware. The new units may come out today or maybe not till June,July, etc. I've been in your position before. Your needs are probably different than mine and different than others here. What I do is this: buy a new or refurbished model now, then sell it privately or on ebay. When the new unit arrives in the store, I buy it. So, in the end, I wind up "renting" a unit for a few months. It all depends on your situation. Do you want to get started yesterday with a Mac? Or are you in a position to wait 1 day, 1 week, 1 month etc. Just another option to consider.

Edit: If you wait, there may be a promotion with the new models, e.g. an "almost free" printer , scanner, or Ipod when you buy,
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Buy a new or refurbished model now, then sell it privately or on ebay. When the new unit arrives in the store, I buy it.

How much do you typically lose? A few hundred?

For example, my 17" is $2600 or so, what do you think I can expect in a few months?
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That's about right but other factors can reduce your "loss". For example, if there is a promotion and you get a new HP printer for $9.99 which you were going to buy anyway, that reduces the "loss". Sometimes on eBay (BTW, a very tricky and dangerous task, let me know if you ever go this route, I'll tell you how to do it) the value of a particular model is very high. For example, the old 12" power books are very hot items on ebay and you can recoup quite a bit of your initial investment. For other models, this is not the case, e.g. low end iMacs. I think the current Pro laptops will retain a lot of their value--just my opinion. Then there's always the private market--do you know someone who would buy your old Pro. Then there's another angle--charitable tax deduction to a charity, school, etc. Again, it all depends on many factors. In my case, I always buy, sell (i.e. "rent") and buy the new if that's what I want. I'm currently hoping for a new Mac ultralight. If Apple doesn't release one at all or until October 2007, no problem. I have a Mac laptop now and that's what's most important to me.
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Kingme,

This is the second post in reply to your question. Go to ebay right now and search for your exact model. You'll see what new and used models are fetching today. That will give you some idea. Also, check out the Apple store for their price today on a refurb of your exact model. This info will give you a guide. You can calculate best case and worst case scenarios. Also, check out Apple's current return policy on a new or refurb model purchased today and returned say 29 days from today.
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Thanks for the tips!

I have some PCs I need to sell on eBay so please let me know how to protect myself.

I am going the opposite direction as you. I have a sweet little Sony VAIO (12" or 13" I think... their smallest one at the time) and while it is GREAT for traveling, it is poor for everything else. It is slower than other PCs in it's price range, the screen is small, the keyboard is small...

The 17" Mac I am buying is in response to what I really do with computers. I don't travel that much but I look at a screen all day.
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Thanks for the tips!

I have some PCs I need to sell on eBay so please let me know how to protect myself.

I am going the opposite direction as you. I have a sweet little Sony VAIO (12" or 13" I think... their smallest one at the time) and while it is GREAT for traveling, it is poor for everything else. It is slower than other PCs in it's price range, the screen is small, the keyboard is small...

The 17" Mac I am buying is in response to what I really do with computers. I don't travel that much but I look at a screen all day.

Kingme,

I have a Sony T160 (11", ULV Pentium, 40 GB HD, wifi, bluetotth, plenty powerful for my needs; search my previous posts on this unit). It's a great computer which I take on the road with me all the time. I travel a lot. Please Apple, release an ultralight!

As for eBay, I think I'll post my guidance as a separate thread since I think lots of folks might want to read about it---could get buried in this thread.
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I have a Sony T160 (11", ULV Pentium, 40 GB HD, wifi, bluetotth, plenty powerful for my needs; search my previous posts on this unit).

I have a Sony VGN-TX670... (11.1", Pentium M 753 1.2GHz, 60GB HD, WiFi, BT, Cingular WAN unlocked!). I'm selling this for my Mac.
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I have a Sony VGN-TX670... (11.1", Pentium M 753 1.2GHz, 60GB HD, WiFi, BT, Cingular WAN unlocked!). I'm selling this for my Mac.

Did you mean T670? The T670 is a later version of my T160, while the TX line is a later version of both. The TX is a slick Sony model. I'm praying Apple brings out something of that size (3lbs, 12" screen) with Apple styling, Core 2 Duo and Leopard. I'll be in MacHeaven if that happens!
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The TX line is a later version of both. The TX is a slick Sony model.

It's the TX. Real tiny. Was $2500 new, Christmas 2005. Runs on batteries for about 5 hours!

Sony has a bunch of little models so I have to think that there is a market for sub-notebooks. I mean, they know their stuff. They made the best PDA on the planet (CLIE) and walked away before the entire platform died and left Handspring holding the bag.
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It's the TX. Real tiny. Was $2500 new, Christmas 2005. Runs on batteries for about 5 hours!

Sony has a bunch of little models so I have to think that there is a market for sub-notebooks. I mean, they know their stuff. They made the best PDA on the planet (CLIE) and walked away before the entire platform died and left Handspring holding the bag.

I think Apple will have a big market for ultralights though many (most?) posters on this forum disagree. In my industry, pharmaceutical, and with those I interact with (CEOs, CFOs, CIOs, FDAers, R&D types, engineers) , they and I would run to the Apple store for an ultralight (3lbs, 12" screen with Apple styling, Core 2 Duo , Leopard, and dare I say it, a pop-out MT pad a la Fingerworks iGestures pad, We've spent many an hour drooling in our beers over that type of unit. Every time I see these guys they rag on me, "Hey! Where's the Apple Ultralight?". I just say "From your mouth to Jobs ears!". The boys in Tokyo and Osaka would be very unhappy if Apple released such a unit.
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I think Apple will have a big market for ultralights though many (most?) posters on this forum disagree.

I would have to agree with you... but I think Apple would have to make it black or titanium or something so it looks corporate and not "cute."
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I would have to agree with you... but I think Apple would have to make it black or titanium or something so it looks corporate and not "cute."

Piano black or dark charcoal gray with carbon fiber case? Hell, I'll take fuschia if they just make one.
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Kingme,

Here's an idea for your consideration. A lot of folks are in the same boat as you are in now, waiting for the new hardware. The new units may come out today or maybe not till June,July, etc. I've been in your position before. Your needs are probably different than mine and different than others here. What I do is this: buy a new or refurbished model now, then sell it privately or on ebay. When the new unit arrives in the store, I buy it. So, in the end, I wind up "renting" a unit for a few months. It all depends on your situation. Do you want to get started yesterday with a Mac? Or are you in a position to wait 1 day, 1 week, 1 month etc. Just another option to consider.

Edit: If you wait, there may be a promotion with the new models, e.g. an "almost free" printer , scanner, or Ipod when you buy,

Virtually ALL of the free printers that come with computers are serious chunks of shit.
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Virtually ALL of the free printers that come with computers are serious chunks of shit.

You got that right.

$10 printers that go through $99 worth of special ink jet cartridges every three weeks.

Hey! I think my computer is on it's way to me today (two days earlier than I expected!).
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HEY! I am typing this with my new 17" "cafeteria tray" which came an hour ago! This is pretty nice but as a Windows guy, I'm a little out of sorts.

By the way, I think I read somewhere that the best thing to do once you get a new Mac is to reinstall the OS without all the language packs or OS9 support. Any ideas on this?
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You're so use to windows right now, but give a week or two and you'll wonder why you put up with windows so long. Nah, you dont need to reinstall anything. You're good to go!

I suggest going to places like

http:www.versiontracker.com

and specifically,

http://www.macupdate.com for oodles and oodles of free mac software goodness. I use macupdate.com all the time, whats nice about it is you can type macupdate.com/calculator and it will bring up all the calculator related apps.
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Thanks MM! I wonder how much space I would save by reinstalling without OS9 stuff anyway.
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Thanks MM! I wonder how much space I would save by reinstalling without OS9 stuff anyway.

There is no OS 9 support on Intel Macs.
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I suggest going to places like

http:www.versiontracker.com

and specifically,

http://www.macupdate.com for oodles and oodles of free mac software goodness. I use macupdate.com all the time, whats nice about it is you can type macupdate.com/calculator and it will bring up all the calculator related apps.

Do you subscribe to either service?
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