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Um... Japan, Mexico, Panama, Taiwan, Cuba, Venezuela, and the Dominican Republic sure don't seem to agree with you on the baseball thing.

They don't have to. It's still a girls game here.
post #42 of 83
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Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post

I thought Netflix mailed you the movie on DVD and you mailed it back. I didn't know or could find on their web site anything about downloading. I would appreciate it if you could provide me the link.

Netflix is mostly a mail-rental, but they have been experimenting with streaming.

http://www.netflix.com/MediaCenter?id=5384

A.K.A Watch Now.
post #43 of 83
My ramblings...

Exactly what would Mad Max look like it 1080i? What about Rambo? Hell, Star Wars? Will we ever really know? Are the studios taking these reels out and re-encoding them at the higher resolution? Does best buy stock them? If not, what, exactly, is all of the bitching about...the new shit?

Genuine HD movies are a low percentage of the total retail movie market. TV Shows, of course, have a higher percentage, but still way down there in comparison. Current movies look fine on AppleTV, as long as they are encoded properly.
post #44 of 83
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Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post

Yeah. How about that. And what about iPhoto, iMovie HD, Final Cut Studio, Final Cut Pro, Shake, Aperture, and QuickTime 7 that Apple has introduced to compile, produce and edit HD quality videos, pics, etc.? What the hell was that for?

That's like shipping a games console with no games but here's a nice SDK for you to write your own.
post #45 of 83
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

Netflix is mostly a mail-rental, but they have been experimenting with streaming.

Trust me. I knew that. And also HD is not working. No one is doing it yet. Too expensive. Too big. To slow. And virtually, no content, or at least not enough yet to pay the piper.
post #46 of 83
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Originally Posted by aegisdesign View Post

That's like shipping a games console with no games but here's a nice SDK for you to write your own.

Imagine. I had the gall not to think of that.
post #47 of 83
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Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post

Trust me. I knew that. And also HD is not working. No one is doing it yet. Too expensive. Too big. To slow. And virtually, no content, or at least not enough yet to pay the piper.

Xbox live marketplace offers high definition on pretty much their entire selection of movies, as well as a most of their TV show content. And it's not too big or too slow, really. The fact that it's a rental means you don't really need to store 100 movies on your hard drive anyways.
post #48 of 83
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Originally Posted by BlueDjinn View Post

FWIW, I've compiled virtually every significant milestone since the release of the original iTunes 1.0:

http://www.systemshootouts.org/ipod_itunes_sales.html

Also click the "iPod Sales" and "iTunes Sales" links at the top for line graphs of each.

thats a brilliant bit of work! well done

ive bookmarked it thanks
post #49 of 83
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Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post

I thought Netflix mailed you the movie on DVD and you mailed it back. I didn't know or could find on their web site anything about downloading. I would appreciate it if you could provide me the link.

Thank you

Netflix recently started their "Watch Now" service: "To watch instantly, you need a computer with the following configuration:
Minimum Requirements

* Computer running Windows XP with Service Pack 2 or higher, or Windows Vista
* Internet Explorer version 6 or higher
* Windows Media Player version 9 or higher
* An active broadband connection to the Internet
* 1.0 GHz processor
* 512 MB RAM
* 3 GB free hard disk drive space

Recommended in addition to minimum requirements

* An active broadband Internet connection of at least 1.5 Mbps
* 1.5 GHz processor
* 1 GB RAM"

If you subscribe to Netflix, each month you get the number of hours equal to your payment plan (e.g. $17.95 per month subscription gets you 17.95 hours of watching movies on your PC in addition to the 3 movies at home on DVD).
post #50 of 83
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Originally Posted by physguy View Post

2/3rds the pixels is about 82% of the linear resolution, which is really what your eye picks up, and so I think the label is fair. OTOH I still wouldn't be 'happy' with 24,000 instead of 30,000 but of course I would read the fine print first.

IF you could read it... assumeing its within that 82% - har har har
post #51 of 83
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Originally Posted by jsflewelling View Post

Netflix recently started their "Watch Now" service: "To watch instantly, you need a computer with the following configuration:
Minimum Requirements

* Computer running Windows XP with Service Pack 2 or higher, or Windows Vista
* Internet Explorer version 6 or higher
* Windows Media Player version 9 or higher
* An active broadband connection to the Internet
* 1.0 GHz processor
* 512 MB RAM
* 3 GB free hard disk drive space

Recommended in addition to minimum requirements

* An active broadband Internet connection of at least 1.5 Mbps
* 1.5 GHz processor
* 1 GB RAM"

If you subscribe to Netflix, each month you get the number of hours equal to your payment plan (e.g. $17.95 per month subscription gets you 17.95 hours of watching movies on your PC in addition to the 3 movies at home on DVD).

Can you give me the link to the Watch Now service?
post #52 of 83
well we here in Canada have to wait too long as well
so for now P2P will help me out

However as soon as apple make available the movies and other flick for we the canadians i would stop dload P2P movies

i really wanna go legal (i hate the buying CD/DVD crap one click and i have the movies to watch almost instantaneously.
make it legal and ppl like me would go legal
come on apple Canada is drolling
post #53 of 83
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Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post

Can you give me the link to the Watch Now service?

Google it. I found this description (with screen shot) of the service: http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-ente...now-240649.php
post #54 of 83
By the way, the collection of movies available so far is pretty lousy.
post #55 of 83
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Let me know when HD, DRM-free movies are available.

HD will come, but if you're waiting for DRM-free movies, you're going to be waiting a long time, most likely forever. The only reason why EMI's library is DRM-free is because when EMI sells a CD, it's also DRM-free and most people rip it to their computer anyway, so at the end of the day it's all the same. It's great marketing for them though.

DVDs however, have ALWAYS had some form of DRM. Ok, people managed to bypass it but it was still there, and for this reason, I don't think DRM-free movies (at least from major studios) will exist in the near future. In fact, they toughened up DRM for the HD-DVD / Blu-ray specs, so DRM will probably get tougher, not more relaxed in the future.
post #56 of 83
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Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post

Yeah. How about that. And what about iPhoto, iMovie HD, Final Cut Studio, Final Cut Pro, Shake, Aperture, and QuickTime 7 that Apple has introduced to compile, produce and edit HD quality videos, pics, etc.? What the hell was that for?

Why in the world would anybody want to take all that hard, exhausting, expensive, time-consuming effort and post it on a big screen where anybodyelse could have a look at it? Big, beautiful, yes, high definition pictures taken by that new digital SLR and HD video camera that you just had to have before mom and dad's 25th wedding anniversary party.

Who cares if you are the only person that has seen your mom and dad's anniversary video since the party?

Nah. Just leave it where it was created in the first place. On your HD video camera. Or if you remember to it on your PC, so a couple of other people could cram behind to see it.

Yep. Apple certainly has gall. Imagine to think that anybody would want to share anything that they had only seen on their own computer. Let them get their own. Such narrow mindedness!

Right, because clearly someone who can afford to shell out $1300 for Final Cut Studio is going to be editing their parents' anniversary party footage. Or the $500 for Shake. Or the $300 for Aperture. Yep, that's what I'd be doing with $2100 worth of professional grade software.

What the hell is that software for as you so Shakespeareanly put it? Not for the average user to be editing video and pictures with. iPhoto and iMovie, yes, but not the others in your list.
post #57 of 83
The Washington Post now has HD (720p) news features on iTunes:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...dcastfront.htm
post #58 of 83
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Originally Posted by caliminius View Post

Right, because clearly someone who can afford to shell out $1300 for Final Cut Studio is going to be editing their parents' anniversary party footage. Or the $500 for Shake. Or the $300 for Aperture. Yep, that's what I'd be doing with $2100 worth of professional grade software.

What the hell is that software for as you so Shakespeareanly put it? Not for the average user to be editing video and pictures with. iPhoto and iMovie, yes, but not the others in your list.

Yes, but from what I see (previous poster included) there are already appearing some very nice FREE HD video podcasts. I imagine these are using all of this software (or a good part).

I haven't subscribed to these before but WOW how easy and pain free to get the on the AppleTV. Just subscribe and there they are and automatically updated when new content available.
post #59 of 83
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Originally Posted by pmjoe View Post

People are supposed to buy an Apple TV to watch barely SD programming? All this stuff is so 2-3 years ago. Much of this stuff is in the bargain bin for $7, better resolution, no DRM, doesn't waste disk space or require a computer to play back.

DVDs don't have DRM? Did you really say that? Of course they do. Their DRM is that you can't watch the movie except if you have the DVD. You can break the DRM by using Handbrake or Mac the Ripper, but that just like saying iTMS music doesn't have DRM because you can burn it to a CD.

DVDs have some advantages over iTMS movies, but iTMS movies also have an advantage over DVD movies. I've got a movie on my laptop that's also on my tower at home, and it's also on my iPod. I can watch this movie wherever I am. I didn't have to go through a too-lengthy process of ripping the thing, either.

And "All this stuff is so 2-3 years ago"?? That's pretty rich coming from somebody shopping in the $7 bargain bin for movies (Jackie Chan still looks pretty young in your collection, doesn't he?). Who was letting you download movies 2-3 years ago, so that you now can claim you're jaded? In 2004 and 2005, who was letting you download movies, which you then put on you iPod, on your computer, or streamed to your TV?

The iTMS movies are just an option. You don't have to take that option. You can always buy yourself a DVD. But there are people who have iTMS movies on their computer, plus a bunch of other videos they've put in there from other sources, and the Apple TV is a convenient way for them to stream them to their TV. Don't get so objectionable about it, just because you prefer the $7 bargain bin and Walmart.
post #60 of 83
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Originally Posted by pmjoe View Post

People are supposed to buy an Apple TV to watch barely SD programming? All this stuff is so 2-3 years ago. Much of this stuff is in the bargain bin for $7, better resolution, no DRM, doesn't waste disk space or require a computer to play back.

I think being able to avoid 5 minutes trying to open all that packaging and security tape on each CD and DVD alone is worth using iTunes. But to each his own.
post #61 of 83
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Originally Posted by Ronbo View Post

DVDs don't have DRM? Did you really say that? Of course they do.

They have copy protection, but not DRM. Beyond "you can't copy unless you decrypt", they don't define any rules, such as "you can only watch on x devices for y days".
post #62 of 83
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Originally Posted by gregmightdothat View Post

I think being able to avoid 5 minutes trying to open all that packaging and security tape on each CD and DVD alone is worth using iTunes. But to each his own.

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post #63 of 83
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Originally Posted by Ronbo View Post

DVDs have some advantages over iTMS movies, but iTMS movies also have an advantage over DVD movies. I've got a movie on my laptop that's also on my tower at home, and it's also on my iPod. I can watch this movie wherever I am. I didn't have to go through a too-lengthy process of ripping the thing, either.

Ripping DVDs is really not hard and will give you a higher-quality file in the process.

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And "All this stuff is so 2-3 years ago"?? That's pretty rich coming from somebody shopping in the $7 bargain bin for movies (Jackie Chan still looks pretty young in your collection, doesn't he?).

Before you get too condescending, here, by way of example, is a list of movies that I recently bought (from play.com and HMV) for a maximum of the equivalent of $8 before tax each. Some were cheaper, for example the interpreter which was $4.85. No, they're not the latest movies, but they also aren't the sort of movies you are alluding to, either.
  • Closer [2004]
  • Crash [2004]
  • Crimson Tide [1995]
  • Enduring Love [2004]
  • Harry Potter And The Goblet Of Fire (1 Disc Edition) [2005]
  • The Interpreter [2005]
  • Shrek 2: Single Disc Edition
  • Toy Soldiers
  • V for Vendetta [2006]
  • Wedding Crashers - Uncorked [2005]
  • Shrek [2001]
  • Grosse Pointe Blank [1997]
  • A Life Less Ordinary [1997]
  • Shallow Grave [1994]
  • Mars Attacks [1997]
  • Scream [1997]
  • Silence Of The Lambs [1991]
  • Ronin (Two Disc Special Edition) [1998]
  • Training Day [2002]
  • Payback [1999]
  • Ransom [1997]
  • Monty Python's Life Of Brian [1979]
  • Romeo And Juliet [1996]
  • Charlie's Angels [2000]
  • The Untouchables [1987]
  • Road Trip - Unseen And Explicit [2000]
  • The Family Man [2000]
  • Ghostbusters 2 [1989]
  • From Dusk Till Dawn
  • The Mask [1994]
  • Three Kings [2000]
  • Matchstick Men [2003]
  • What Lies Beneath [2000]
  • Day Of The Jackal [1973]
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post #64 of 83
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They have copy protection, but not DRM. Beyond "you can't copy unless you decrypt", they don't define any rules, such as "you can only watch on x devices for y days".

That's really a nit since the 'decrypt' is required before you can play it on any non-official DVD player. Don't forget about Regions. Officially you can't play EU purchased DVD's on a 'US" computer. Yes, I know you have 5 times to set this, but once set its there, and yes I know there are numerous hacks for this as well, but its still DRM. So they are saying you can only play on x devices.
post #65 of 83
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Originally Posted by Mr. H View Post

Before you get too condescending, here, by way of example, is a list of movies that I recently bought (from play.com and HMV) for a maximum of the equivalent of $8 before tax each. Some were cheaper, for example the interpreter which was $4.85. No, they're not the latest movies, but they also aren't the sort of movies you are alluding to, either.

Or you could have rented the latest movies for £1.50 from your local library*




* it's a big stone building with books in that's soooo 2-3 hundred years ago but they also do DVDs now.
post #66 of 83
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Originally Posted by physguy View Post

That's really a nit since the 'decrypt' is required before you can play it on any non-official DVD player. Don't forget about Regions. Officially you can't play EU purchased DVD's on a 'US" computer.

I didn't defend the flaws. I merely pointed out there's a difference between copy protection and DRM, and the term DRM wasn't even used around the time DVD-Videos became popular.
post #67 of 83
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Originally Posted by caliminius View Post

Right, because clearly someone who can afford to shell out $1300 for Final Cut Studio is going to be editing their parents' anniversary party footage. Or the $500 for Shake. Or the $300 for Aperture. Yep, that's what I'd be doing with $2100 worth of professional grade software.

What the hell is that software for as you so Shakespeareanly put it? Not for the average user to be editing video and pictures with. iPhoto and iMovie, yes, but not the others in your list.

The original question was, "What a complete farce. It just amazes me Apple have the gall to sell the AppleTV outside the USA."

What? AppleTV was only intended to play movies bought via iTunes. No!

For the average user, taking pictures with a digital camera or HD Videos is one thing. Developing iPhoto, iMovie HD and/or QuickTime was Apple's way of helping to get the images out of the camera, assist wannabe Luca's and show off to ones friends and family via the internet, CDs and DVDs.

For ad agencies, creative studios and production houses, there are the professional $ programs.

In either case, AppleTV just brings all the efforts to the living room or front reception. Now showing on bigger screens for more people to see with ease.

And for that, you don't only have to be residing in America.
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I didn't defend the flaws. I merely pointed out there's a difference between copy protection and DRM, and the term DRM wasn't even used around the time DVD-Videos became popular.

While copy protection is a subset of DRM (or a component of a DRM design as the wiki definition below state), if it is the only component of a design then I would argue it is DRM for that instance. Additionally, the use of the Region restrictions certainly fits the definition of DRM "... to control access to or usage of digital data..." from below. All I was saying is that DVDs do have DRM, just not 'as sophisticated' as other current schemes.

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(From wikipedia) Digital Rights Management (DRM) is an umbrella term referring to technologies used by publishers or copyright owners to control access to or usage of digital data or hardware, and to restrictions associated with a specific instance of a digital work or device. The term is often confused with copy protection and technical protection measures, which refer to technologies that control or restrict the use and access of digital content on electronic devices with such technologies installed, acting as components of a DRM design.

Even the first sentence of the Introduction supports this.

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Digital rights management technologies attempt to control or prevent access to or copying of digital media, which can be copied with very little cost or effort.

Copy protection is just one form of DRM. All oranges are fruit but not all fruit are oranges.
post #69 of 83
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Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post

The original question was, "What a complete farce. It just amazes me Apple have the gall to sell the AppleTV outside the USA."

What? AppleTV was only intended to play movies bought via iTunes. No!

You're stretching.

1) I never said ONLY

2) The number of people who do make their own movies is teeny tiny.

3) There's nowhere else in the UK to legally get movies.

It's also not how they're advertising it in the USA unless the advert was shot in Jack Black's house and that really is his home movie. It's ALL about movies and TV shows. Sure, you can play music too but you can do that with Airport Express much cheaper.

Apart from that I even stuck five smilies on the bottom of the post hoping those with Apple goggles on and short on humour would spot that I was being sarcastic.

Look at it from my POV (and Ireland's) - presently Apple are selling this in the UK (and Ireland) to the segment of the community that likes Pixar shorts, home movies of themselves or illegally downloaded/ripped movies that you've transcoded. Hot Stuff!
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or illegally downloaded/ripped movies that you've transcoded. Hot Stuff!

Well, I hope everyone agrees that there is a difference between an illegal download and a rip of a disc that you personally own. No-one is going to come after you for ripping your own discs and then using the images for your personal use only. The U.K. government is currently looking at how to get "personal fair-use rights", including format-shifting, into U.K. copyright law, so hopefully in a couple of years we won't have to worry that ripping our own DVDs for our own use is "illegal".
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Well, I hope everyone agrees that there is a difference between an illegal download and a rip of a disc that you personally own. No-one is going to come after you for ripping your own discs and then using the images for your personal use only. The U.K. government is currently looking at how to get "personal fair-use rights", including format-shifting, into U.K. copyright law, so hopefully in a couple of years we won't have to worry that ripping our own DVDs for our own use is "illegal".

The point being that it's CURRENTLY illegal which leaves us with home movies and pixar shorts only. I'm not sure why Abster took such offence to my suggestion Apple were taking the piss shipping a media player with such a limited content offering available.
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The point being that it's CURRENTLY illegal which leaves us with home movies and pixar shorts only. I'm not sure why Abster took such offence to my suggestion Apple were taking the piss shipping a media player with such a limited content offering available.

Well, I do agree with you that Apple is taking the piss with AppleTV, but mainly because V1 is rubbish, regardless of available content.

Don't forget that the AppleTV also does music and podcasts.

My point was that you aren't left with home movies and pixar shorts only as content. Yes, ripping your own DVDs is illegal, but who's going to come to your house and arrest you for it? Who's going to try and sue you for doing it? No one. The MPAA (or U.K. equivalent) has P2P sharing to worry about first.
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post #73 of 83
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.... That's "World" as in "World Series" baseball yes - the game otherwise only played by girls outside the USA?


Yeah, I saw the smilies. Still, much of the world is interested in baseball--at least those places the US stationed troops for long periods of time back in the day...

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By the 1990s, baseball was played at a highly skilled level in many countries, resulting in a strong international flavor to the Series, as many of the best players from the Pacific Rim, Latin America, the Caribbean, and elsewhere now play on Major League rosters.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_series
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post #74 of 83
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I think being able to avoid 5 minutes trying to open all that packaging and security tape on each CD and DVD alone is worth using iTunes. But to each his own.

As opposed to the 30+ minutes I have to wait before enough of even an iTunes Store TV show is available to be watchable to the end. That's partially a factor of my internet connection, but it's the fastest internet connection I have available.

If it takes you 5 minutes to open a CD or DVD, perhaps someone should introduce you to the modern tool called a "knife." I heard they made some great advances in the technology since the caveman first invented it...
post #75 of 83
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Originally Posted by caliminius View Post

As opposed to the 30+ minutes I have to wait before enough of even an iTunes Store TV show is available to be watchable to the end. That's partially a factor of my internet connection, but it's the fastest internet connection I have available.

If it takes you 5 minutes to open a CD or DVD, perhaps someone should introduce you to the modern tool called a "knife." I heard they made some great advances in the technology since the caveman first invented it...

One, you're ignoring the fact that you also have to drive to Walmart. Two, move somewhere not so shitty. Songs download for me in seconds and I get instant on everything right away. We just have Comcast.
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I guess if you are the type of person that needs to watch movies immediately after making a decision on what to watch and prefer spending $300 for each TV in the house, then Appletv is definitely for you. As versus a person that can decide ahead of time what they would like to watch and have a DVD player connect to their TV already.
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I guess if you are the type of person that needs to watch movies immediately after making a decision on what to watch and prefer spending $300 for each TV in the house, then Appletv is definitely for you. As versus a person that can decide ahead of time what they would like to watch and have a DVD player connect to their TV already.

You're making up entirely nonsense arguments. No one is going to buy more than one AppleTV. If you have more than one TV, you'll hook it up to the one you use most. No one buys a PS3 for each room, or an HD-DVD drive for each room, or an AppleTV for each room. It's stupid.

Additionally, you can get all kinds of things on Apple TV that you can't get on a DVD player. Good luck getting TV shows the day after they air on your DVD player. Or any video podcasts.

And what's with this "person who can decide ahead" nonsense? Oh, so you're somehow morally superior because you plan out your mindless entertainment longer before you watch it than I do?

AppleTV is perfect for me. I watch three TV shows, and I don't often have time to catch them as they air, so the savings from not having cable have already paid for it.

It's not perfect for you. That's great. That doesn't give you license to offer the worst arguments ever. What did you honestly think was going to happen? That someone would say, hey, those nonsense arguments almost made sense! Let me get rid of this device that meets my needs perfectly, as pt123 CLEARLY knows what's what.
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Actually 2nd worst argument ever, can't beat the 5 minutes it takes to open up the package.

And I do have a DVD player in each room. No HD-DVD but then again itunes doesn't have HD movies.
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Actually 2nd worst argument ever, can't beat the 5 minutes it takes to open up the package.

Um, are you saying that you like opening those? Everyone hates those.

No one NEEDS to buy multiple Apple TVs to use it, which you contend. Also, no one is better off for waiting to watch things.

I'm sorry, but no, my argument was pretty solid.

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And I do have a DVD player in each room. No HD-DVD but then again itunes doesn't have HD movies.

But DVD players cost $40. Next-gen optical drives, Apple TV, and game consoles cost more than that.
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Um, are you saying that you like opening those? Everyone hates those.

No one NEEDS to buy multiple Apple TVs to use it, which you contend. Also, no one is better off for waiting to watch things.

I'm sorry, but no, my argument was pretty solid.


But DVD players cost $40. Next-gen optical drives, Apple TV, and game consoles cost more than that.

Actually, I have a 1 Gigawatt ruby laser to open all that packaging and security tape on each CD and DVD . The laser also cuts thru the Kevlar-like plastic packaging on items like USB cables, "C" batteries and the like. I have been able to cut the time down to about a minute for the DVDs and 3 minutes for the Kevlar packages.
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