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post #281 of 505
oh they are gonna miss back to school.. thats too bad. in time for Xmas though.
post #282 of 505
User Interface of iTunes (both on Mac & PC)
TimeMachine (timeline file management)
Spotlight (auto indexing)
iPhone (UI)
re-programming of Quicktime..
high speed wireless connections
hardware as software-extenders... (iPod, AppleTV...)
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I speculate on a DRAMATIC change in the System's User Interface...:

10.5. drops the 40y old desktop metaphor.. beige card folders, Oscar's trashbin, a file just in one fixed location?? .. harhar...-

we will see: no more files, just versions. the death of the save button. 'flipping' instead of searching. 'movin images' on a System Level..

and a wireless connected, remote controlled, headless home server, 8x8x8", to store all those terabytes of your life...

Apple will still be displaying a "feature complete" version of Leopard at June's WWDC event
.. it will be an interesting WWDC ...
post #283 of 505
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Originally Posted by webmail View Post

Apple releases the hardware when it's available and sometimes even before! Notice the 3ghz, 8 processors Mac has a processor from Intel that no-one else has been able to get yet!

Buying a new Mac today, or buying one at the end of June (when you thought Leopard was coming) won't make a damn bit of difference. There's a 3 month delay in the OS release. I'm sorry but I work in Final Cut Pro, Photoshop and Illustrator all day with 4 Mac Pro towers. I just ordered the new 8 core one... Nothing I do is going to make Leopard not run on it.

Apple releases hardware now BASED ON THE AVALIBILITY FROM INTEL. If you want to know when a hardware update is coming, SIMPLY take a look at what processors are coming out when/for what from Intel (the roadmap). That's when the next update will be.

Did you read my post at all webmail?
post #284 of 505
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Originally Posted by d.wannan View Post

Well... I'm not so bothered about the delay in Leopard's release... the only thing for me is Boot Camp... this is timed beta software, due to expire at least in part in September - if we don't get Leopard (and the 'full' version of Boot Camp) till October now, what's going to happen to those of us heathens running Windows on Boot Camp on our Macs?

Uhm, they could release a new beta.

I dunno - it's just a guess
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post #285 of 505
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Anyone agree?

Mememe! You hit the nail right on. What is wrong with Tiger? It's still ahead of Vista, rock solid and runs all current apps. Including Adobe's much-overhyped CS3-bloatware.

You know, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. There's still a lot of folks out there happily running 10.3.9. Sure, they don't have all the whizbang that us Tiger folks have come to like, but I bet they can accomplish 99% of what they *actually* want/need to do on their Macs just as well.

Same will go for Leopard. Look at it this way: a few more months in development == more stability, more cooler features, more maturity of the code.

All is good in the state of Apple.

post #286 of 505
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Originally Posted by MarcUK View Post

given how many tens/hundreds of millions of $ Apple will lose through lost sales because of a 6 month wait, you wonder why they just dont hire a few more people to complete the damn thing already!

That's the strategy Microsoft practices.. it would be a bad move.
post #287 of 505
I am so disappointed. I have been waiting for Leopard and Macbook since August 2006. Now we have to wait half year more. That is too much.

I hope they will make some outstanding new GUI, which uses core animation. I hope for many new useful things by October. And also I expect a good hardware update for new Macbooks: in terms of processor and graphics, RAM, flash-based memory for OS X, battery life, Blu-ray. Otherwise, I will be pissed off.
post #288 of 505
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Originally Posted by angevil View Post

I am so disappointed. I have been waiting for Leopard and Macbook since August 2006. Now we have to wait half year more. That is too much.

I hope they will make some outstanding new GUI, which uses core animation. I hope for many new useful things by October. And also I expect a good hardware update for new Macbooks: in terms of processor and graphics, RAM, flash-based memory for OS X, battery life, Blu-ray. Otherwise, I will be pissed off.

OK, and what would keep you from buying the next MB update? AFAIK this could happen any time now. Leopard will run on it, so what's the point of waiting?

As for the techological advancements that you cite:
- flash based memory: We might or might not see that in the next Apple portables. I expect it to be limited to the Macbook Pro though. It's clearly an advanced feature.
- graphics: Same here, if you want decent graphics, get an MBP. The GPU will probably be updated in the next MBP model.
- processors: just a matter of time.
- battery life: it's not like all other notebook manufacturers aren't struggling with this age old issue.
- Blue-Ray: This is not ready for the mass market yet. Just look at current drive prices. Give it another 6-12 months before they adobt Blue-Ray. Besides: many of us couldn't care less, at least what all the overhyped HD content is concerned. IMHO, a good movie is not defined by its picture quality. Period. HD is just another excuse to sell us all the content we bought in the last 10 years on DVD once more. Happened before with the VHS->DVD conversion, will happen again. While putting VHS at rest using a media that doesn't wear out (if you're just a little careful) was a heaven sent, the added value that HD offers isn't cutting it for me. Especially considering the draconian DRM it tries to force on the populace.


Bottom line: Get your MB soon, don't wait for Leopard. Besides, what will keep you from selling your new MB second hand and get the latest when yet another model arrives?


All is well in the state of Apple.
post #289 of 505
What if iPhone bombs?
post #290 of 505
Oh come on, does this really matter that much? Is it going to affect our daily lives? No. Three months will go quickly, compared to the three Vista years. <sarcasm>That was worth the wait.</sarcasm>

I dont think that this is that much of a deal. Plus now I can get a separate screen for my MacBook for my birthday instead of the obligatory OS X purchase which has haunted me over the last few years.

Seriously everyone, take a chill pill.
post #291 of 505
Many people live to rant about whatever they can find to rant about. In the case of AI, it is a company that none of us controls, yet many of us believe it exists soley for ourselves.

Thus, Apple is wrog when they make a decision that doesn't match our expectations.

Persoanally, I am happy it was pushed back; just got a new MBP and would like to not have the OS and some apps made obsolete or dated quite yet.

 

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post #292 of 505
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Say no comment if they have to, but never lie to the customers. That is very bad form.

Just because you assume they're lying doesn't make it so.
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post #293 of 505
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Wow and congrats Webmail! You da man!

Don't feed the animals.....

He is basically trying to tell everyone "Look at me I have lots of money"....

10k shares at $14 = $140,000
90k shares at $60 = $5.4 Million

So basically....$5.5M spent on stock....

Yay for him he has lots of money....who gives a crap.
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post #295 of 505
The market is ridiculous when it comes to Apple. Why? Because none of them have a mac - they only know iPOD! I have now bought Apple 9 times on dips because of stupid reactions to anything negative in the new, totalling $38,000 in profit since January's high! The stock should be realistically, $95. After earnings, it will go to $96 and then people will take a profit, at which point, sell, and buy AGAIN when it goes back to $93, because after October, it will reach $105.

The company is in an incredible position because of simple unchecked pieces of research - people who already own an older Apple, which are a HUGE number, are just now upgrading to the new computers, and Leopard does not play into any of this. The average consumer, especially teens and college students, don't care about Leopard. While I'm sure will be great, Leopard has absolutely nothing to do wih people going to purchase an Apple computer, iPod, iTV - none of it matters! So, when this stock goes below 90, I am BUYING it for the 10th time this year! Viva Apple and the people who don't understand their customeers!
post #296 of 505
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Check out http://www.cnn.com/TECH/

Jaguar Release? Well their website does look like it's still in 2003.

Edit: Wow, they really butchered this report.
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Leopard is expected to boast new features including a file backup feature called "Time Machine" and improvements to its e-mail and instant messaging software. Another feature allows users to move from their standard desktop view to an archival view showing every change made to a particular file.
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post #297 of 505
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Originally Posted by Henriok View Post

This is a good time as any to make the radical decision to make Mac OS X free for all Mac users and that this will include current as all future versions. Apple can't make much money on OSX and it would probably be weighed up by increased hardware sales There must be much more money in such a promise, good will and the fact that almost the entire user base will be up to date at any given time. The costs for developers (and Apple) would decrease as they won't have to support as many platforms. And the contrast to how expensive Windows is would be amazing

This struck me as a brilliant idea. I wonder how much money Apple actually does make from sales of OSX? How many hardware sales does Apple miss out on due to those of us holding off for the next big release? It would be to Apple's advantage to keep hardware moving without the timing of operating system realeases to worry about. Keeping the entire user base up-to-date also has many advantages.

I also wonder if the "big release" model is entirely necessary. Why not have all Macs continually and automatically updated, as is already done? There doesn't need to be any more "Tiger", "Leopard", etc. Just "MacOS" which runs as much as it can within the capabilities of a given piece of hardware.

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The iPhone is important not just because it's Apple's entry into the lucrative phone market, but it's an entry into the handheld computer market also. As has been prophesied for years now, handhelds will be an important area. It's just that no-one has done it right yet. This is a big opportunity for Apple, and will in many ways represent a bigger breakthrough than the release of Leopard.
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Well their website does look like it's still in 2003. What a surprise that they only have WMA movies.

Oh, I know... I can't beleive they're still hooked on WMA. WMA is from the devil
post #299 of 505
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Are you serious? You have been a Mac user since Apple II and a delay in an OS release makes you doubt your experiences up till this point? That is so crazy I had to register just to tell you so.



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Looks llike copying Vista is hard work (ducks)

I expect that a lot of Windows fanboys will be saying this when Leopard arrives.

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IT managers in Wintel Wonderland understand this and are waiting until Vista matures enough, if ever, before they deploy it.

Yeah but that's what I was saying. Vista could easily be mature by the time Leopard is even shipping in which case it's a pretty easy decision to make. If IT people were to consider switching to Apple, it would have made far more sense to compare their best OS with all the backup features and developer enhancements and now they can't.

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The iPhone was originally was designed with a plastic LCD screen - it has been switched to glass at the last minute. I am not certain of the reason behind the switch, but engineering is struggling to implement the last-minute change.

Glass is much better. The PSP feels better than devices that use plastic.

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I do not want to see the iPhone become "Newton 2"

I still really wish they'd called it the Newton though.
post #300 of 505
Here's my summation of why Leopard's taking so long to develop. I know it doesn't really excuse a delay, but this is undoubtedly a massive update to the OS, certainly beyond what I had appreciated until a couple of weeks ago...
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how often did Jobs jab at Microsoft for delaying Vista?

Well it's only a three month delay guys ... not several years! As someone else said, it will be a great opportunity to buy AAPL as it will no doubt dip due to this before continuing the climb.
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post #302 of 505
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Originally Posted by CRAYOLA View Post

I was awaiting Leopard to buy a Mac Book.

I can't until June -- Oct. I must purchase a Mac Book before Leopard. \

Seeking advice:

Do I wait for new Mac Books, or would these be delayed until Leopard?

Do I wait for Certificates for free Leopard upgrades? What are the chances of this and when?

Thanks for your thoughts in advance.


Welcome to the forum CRAYOLA. Most people here would tell you that if you need a new laptop, the best choice is to simply go out and buy one. Yes, you'll likely miss out on new features dropped into the new models, but it all comes down to your needs. If you need it, buy it. When the new stuff comes out, either hand it down to a relative you know that needs it, or Ebay it.

Best of luck to you. At this point Apple has us all wondering what they are doing.
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post #303 of 505
This is what I expect to commence at WWDC due to my recently lowered expectations.

Steve: Hey guys, look at this awesome, amazing iPhone! It's available at the end of the month.
Steve (mumbling): Oh, and there's going to be a little update to OS X when we figure out how to justify putting some people on it.
Steve: And there's one more thing. Look at this super-amazing iPhone!
Steve: OK, see you soon!

As you can probably guess, I'm a bit PO'ed.
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Originally Posted by igorsova View Post

Just want to point out that Apple didnt say that Leopard will be released in October. Anticipating launching the software in October can also mean that it will be released in February 08.

oooh, stop it Can't you allready imagine all those people jumping off this famous red bridge in San Fran this WE!? So mean of you!
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Originally Posted by ecking View Post

Wow this is extremely disappointing. This has been the slowest year for me since I became an apple user. No crazy new machines, no new OS, no new ipod, no new screens. I guess my wallet is thanking me.
But I've already started visting my usual apple sites less and less. Apple is offically borning to me now.

This certainly has been a slow year for Apple. They haven't released anything that I've been compelled to purchase. Sure, the ATV is out, but I won't go buy one until the second version. With all of the modifications out there possible with the current model, it may inspire Apple to use the platform for all it's worth rather than limiting it as much as they are currently. On the hardware side, they have completely let me down by not releasing new products. Sure, people used to joke about how frwquently new iPods would be released, and when we want a new wide screen one like the iPhone, there's nothing.

I'm sure there are people out there who know this off the tp of their heads. Is this the worst year for Apple updates thus far? If not, when was it?
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I am disappointed, too, but mainly as a stockholder/apple advocate. But really, this idea of waiting to purchase a computer until Leopard is ready, or worrying about getting it for free, or really thinking you can't do without it, is obsession. What, really, do you need from Leopard to do the work you need to do with your computer. It can't be the secret features, because you don't even know what they are. It can't be Time Machine, because you're using your computer now without it. This obsession with Leopard has been fostered by Steve Jobs, and now it's backfiring a bit, but let's all take a deep breath. Even CS3 won't use the 64 bit capabilities of Leopard, and it's so new it's not even out yet. Leopard is part of a longterm strategy, so four months (not three) is not that big a deal when you think about those terms.
Just buy the computers now, and use the software you have - it's fine. And take a deep breath. Stockholders like me, just HOLD your breath - for a long time - and pretend it isn't happening, cause it will probably hurt for a while, especially if Apple's results in a week aren't stunning....

Anyone agree?

Lots of people obsess. I obsess about many things like new cars, and new electronics to include Apple products. Everyone obsesses about something. I know many women that obsess over their perfect wedding, or their favorite jewelry. Everyone does it to a degree.

In the software world people tend to obsess because change is a constant. I obsess about the new OS because I'm always interested in the new features. When Tiger came out I loved playing around with Dashboard, and still do. It's the features that really make me interested in the OS. With Leopard, there isn't too much to talk about really. Sure, there's Time Machine which is great if you have a hard drive die on you, but it's mostly going to be in the background. It's the features that Apple is keeping hidden that are making me obsess because I think they are keeping them secret so Microsoft won't start copying them. To me, that means they will be cool features. That's why I obsess.

If it weren't for ATV, I think Apple would be having a dismal first half of the year. If the Mac Pro is any indication of future Mac updates, it's really gonna suck because the recent Mac Pro update sure did.
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oh they are gonna miss back to school.. thats too bad. in time for Xmas though.

All they'd have to do to push Leopard back until 2008 is a problem with iPhone software, after launch, that steals the software engineers back away from Leopard. I'd actually laugh at that point because it would be so horrible. No OS update for 2007, nothing but sad refreshes for the hardware side, excluding the ATV and iPhone gadgets.
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I'm sure there are people out there who know this off the tp of their heads. Is this the worst year for Apple updates thus far? If not, when was it?

I recall that in the dark days of the Motorola G4, we went a whole year without a speed increase, with the top speed of the G4 desktop sitting at 500 Mhz. And that was after the infamous reverse bump at its introduction. *That* was a bad year.
post #309 of 505
Well, I'd say the market is having a more appropriate reaction than many people on this board. It's down $1.50 as of right now, which represents to me a reaction of "well, it's not good, but it's certainly not a disaster."
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What if iPhone bombs?

It might. The biggest concern I have is battery life. The iPhone isn't that big to begin with. With all of the phone and iPod guts in it, there's limited room for batteries. If the battery life sucks, people will take major issue with it. It's one thing with someone's iPod dies because of poor battery life, but when someone's PHONE dies because of it, it's personal then. Most people I know depend on their cell phone for communication throughout the day, with limited charge times. If they can't at least match the times Nokia and Motorola get with their phones, a.k.a. what people are used to, Apple will really have a problem on their hands.
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post #311 of 505
>>Wow, glass screens on a phone. That's a brilliant "reliable source" you've got. Did he also tell you that the next MBPro would be made of balsa wood to lower the weight?<<

If you seach back thrpough the last month's news stories, the German company that makes the glass coated touch screens was mentioned. Name begins with a B, but I can't remember it right now.
post #312 of 505
Althought some long-time Apple users are saying this is a good thing having a stable OS vs. a rushed-new OS, I beg to differ (from a marketing standpoint).

Even though you have a 3 month delay, and after prior jabs to M$ about delays, it puts a few dents into the confidence in the stock of Apple. I don't see people making the decision "aw shucks, guess i'll just have to buy vista", no that's not the case, but isn't apple known for it's innovative thinking/planning/stratedgy? Indeed it has been a slow year for Apple, and now i believe that the iPhone will make or break the bank this year.

I guess what I'm trying to say this, and as I dodge the rocks thrown at me.... Apple has grown a lot within the past 3 years, and in doing so, they're starting to look like M$ with their slip ups. So the next time something like this comes from Apple, I'll end up saying "They pulled a M$ on us"
post #313 of 505
Here's what the headlines have missed: this is Apple's second major software fsckup.

The first one was Aperture 1.0. Aperture's initial release was certainly not what people have come to expect from Apple. From most accounts, this program simply didn't work from the start as Apple intended. The only way Apple could fix it was to pull over help from the Final Cut programming team, get the bugs out, and then release as a 1.5. Sure, the next version of FC was delayed, but no one except video geeks noticed.

This time, Apple's software fsckup is more serious, and a bunch more people have noticed. Sure, Tiger's fine. I really didn't feel the need to upgrade in say, June. With Apple's system software, it's usually a good thing to wait for a couple point releases before upgrading. So, in that sense, this isn't a big deal. What worries me, are the underlying factors behind the delay more than anything else. Sometimes, asking for the impossible gives you the impossible.

The whole delay affair makes me think all is not right in the halls of Cupertino... the pressure cooker can only take so much heat before the steam tries to find a way out.
post #314 of 505
People don't realize how important the iPhone is to Apple. Fuck OSX, Apple has had the superior OS for over 3 years now - that does not mean shit and has not brought them leaps and bounds in revenue or market share. Mobile computing is the future, and it is very important that Apple gets this right. 4 months is nothing, get over it - even the Market realizes this, AAPL did not fall far at all.
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[QUOTE= even the Market realizes this, AAPL did not fall far at all.[/QUOTE]

We'll see in 5 hrs.
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People don't realize how important the iPhone is to Apple. Fuck OSX, Apple has had the superior OS for over 3 years now - that does not mean shit and has not brought them leaps and bounds in revenue or market share. Mobile computing is the future, and it is very important that Apple gets this right. 4 months is nothing, get over it - even the Market realizes this, AAPL did not fall far at all.

The iPhone will finally enable people to surf the web while driving their H2s in heavy traffic.
post #317 of 505
No big deal, I've got no problems with Tiger really.
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We'll see in 5 hrs.

What happens in 5 hours from when you posted? The market has been open for about three hours now, now it's down to just under $91/share.
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What happens in 5 hours from when you posted? The market has been open for about three hours now, now it's down to just under $91/share.

Market closes in 5 hrs. ... well 4.5 now
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People don't realize how important the iPhone is to Apple. Fuck OSX, Apple has had the superior OS for over 3 years now - that does not mean shit and has not brought them leaps and bounds in revenue or market share. Mobile computing is the future, and it is very important that Apple gets this right. 4 months is nothing, get over it - even the Market realizes this, AAPL did not fall far at all.

Succinct. And a correct summation.

1 billion phone market.

250 million PC market.

30 million Mac market.

Guess which wins? iPhone.

However, seeing as iPhone is based on a cut-down version of Leopard?

Is Leopard really delayed at all? Ironically, it will ship in June. Heh.

Just not for 'Mac' users.

But then, the iPhone will be a 'Mac' of sorts. Just like Apple TV and iPods are. To a degree. Getting Leopard to run on another new processor in iPhone is quite some achievement.

I don't like Leopard being 'Late'. But I'd rather they get it right. 3 months isn't going to hurt us that much. I'd have been waiting for them to patch it anyhow.

In the meantime, we'll probably see the new iMac around the late spring time. New Macbooks/Pros. GPU options for the Pro line.

And Penryn's due 2nd half this year.

Looks like things won't get started on the Mac front until WWDC. It's not that bad. We'll still get to see a 'near' final/feature complete 'Leopard'.

It just won't be QAssured. And the developers get to play and test the top secret features which is what most people seemed to be worried about.

I'll be buying a new Mac this year. So. I'll have to wait a little longer. Yeh, yeh...

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WITH THE NEW MAC PRO THEY FINALLY DID!  (But you bend over for it.)

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WITH THE NEW MAC PRO THEY FINALLY DID!  (But you bend over for it.)

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