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post #41 of 505
4/12/07 at 2:39pm
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Originally Posted by MacSuperiority View Post

See the problem isn't that Leopard is delayed. The probelm is that people wait for Leopard before they buy their new hardware, which slows sales of said hardware and potentially these people might just go with Vista instead of waiting.

This is an absolute disaster for Apple.

I'm just laughing at Jobs for how many shots Apple has taken at M$ for delaying Vista, and now they are eating their words. Real cool Apple, real cool.

You are an idiot!
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post #42 of 505
4/12/07 at 2:39pm
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I am sick to death of the iPhone, and it's not even out yet. We can blame it now for the delay of Leopard and resulting hardware sales declines, not to mention the artificial withholding of a widescreen iPod. All for something that customers of only ONE cell phone company in ONE country can take advantage of.

Didn't I JUST read that Mac sales were slowed this quarter because everyone is waiting for Leopard?

Save face, Apple... provide a free upgrade to Leopard for anyone who buys a new Mac after WWDC. Otherwise, you deserve major ridicule and scorn from Bill Gates and every Windows fanboy for all the Vista delay jabs.

Not really. Apple is using the phone as an excuse to make it look better.

A certain percentage of people are waiting for Leopard. But, I'm willing to go out on a limb and say that most of them will now go out and buy a machine rather than wait.

The waiting will start again in August.
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post #43 of 505
4/12/07 at 2:40pm
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i hope these "top secret" features are worth the wait,

You can count on the "secret features" being OS X on the iPhone.
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post #44 of 505
4/12/07 at 2:41pm
This is a big ouch...

Let's start hoping that Apple's rumored new hardware isn't Leopard-dependent. Otherwise we'll get iPhone and new iTunes in June and sit on our wallets until October.

Damn. Ouch.
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post #45 of 505
4/12/07 at 2:41pm
Well, it's gonna be a long long spring in Appleland! But hey, this is 2007, Al Gore did warn us!

I'm pleased to witness Apple's concern in delivering a smooth state of the art user experience It is actually good news, they could've taken the rush & cash route!

One question however: does the delay also apply to iLife & iWork? Or is iWork gonna be included with Leopard? This would make sense though as many PCs come with Office included.


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post #46 of 505
4/12/07 at 2:41pm
Two words are all you need to describe this delay.... "BIG MISTAKE".

Tiger has negligable advantages over Vista, and now with Leopard's delay that's not changing any time soon. They'll lose market share as a result now and frankly they deserve it. Delaying an OS release for some phone is the worst thing they could do. iPhone will do ok in the marketplace, but not as well as they're hoping and banking. It has no features that smartphones out there already don't have.
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post #47 of 505
4/12/07 at 2:42pm
wow. a lot of overreacting going on here. while this does indeed suck, tiger is not going to magically stop working between wwdc and oct. i was going to buy a boxed version of leopard either way but now with cs3 shipping, i guess i have no reason to delay my mbp purchase any longer.

i just hope that in october it's as killer as it can be.
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post #48 of 505
4/12/07 at 2:44pm
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Originally Posted by MacSuperiority View Post

See the problem isn't that Leopard is delayed. The probelm is that people wait for Leopard before they buy their new hardware, which slows sales of said hardware and potentially these people might just go with Vista instead of waiting.

This is an absolute disaster for Apple.

I'm just laughing at Jobs for how many shots Apple has taken at M$ for delaying Vista, and now they are eating their words. Real cool Apple, real cool.

Don't be silly. It's three months not three years. Good grief, talk about a juvenile overreaction on these boards... oh wait, its AppleInsider!
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post #49 of 505
4/12/07 at 2:45pm
Very disappointing. AAPL shares will get hit tomorrow.
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post #50 of 505
4/12/07 at 2:45pm
Never wait...
Buy if you need it.

And I need Adobe CS3 harder than Leopard so I'll order my stuff over the weekend or so.
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post #51 of 505
4/12/07 at 2:45pm
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Originally Posted by 128pluspb100siduo230 View Post

The Apple that is talking to us, Atv, iPhone and yes a Leopard delay is a communicating Apple. Get the bad news out as fast as you can is a very good play.

Well, it depends what you mean by 'communicating.' Last month Apple basically lied to us: Apple says Leopard won't be delayed. \
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post #52 of 505
4/12/07 at 2:45pm
Talk about a bad year for Macs. 2007 has brought...new Mac Pros, and not even an upgrade to the Mac Pro lineup, just one new model with the same old graphics cards. Still no iLife. Still no Core2Duo Mac Mini.

A fitting year for Apple to drop "Computer" from their name. The secret features better be amazing, or steve is going to have a riot on his hands come WWDC.
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post #53 of 505
4/12/07 at 2:47pm
I am truly disappointed. Apple is right at the cusp of being able to make real inroads in the corporate community. I have been able to get my firm to consider macs for the first time. This is a bush league error that signals a tipping point that Apple is not ready for prime time.

To blame the IPhone is beyond the pale. It does not make good business sense or good corporate PR logic. Really unbelievable.

And for IT managers everywhere, it makes it near impossible to argue to your corporate officers that Apple is a viable competitor to the business PC when they appear to be just another electronic toy company. And their own statements support that sentiment.

Mark this day, Apple will not live it down for a while.
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post #54 of 505
4/12/07 at 2:50pm
This is a good time as any to make the radical decision to make Mac OS X free for all Mac users and that this will include current as all future versions. Apple can't make much money on OSX and it would probably be weighed up by increased hardware sales There must be much more money in such a promise, good will and the fact that almost the entire user base will be up to date at any given time. The costs for developers (and Apple) would decrease as they won't have to support as many platforms. And the contrast to how expensive Windows is would be amazing
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post #55 of 505
4/12/07 at 2:51pm
I'd like to point out that I was very clear on this point, for the last three months, given WWDC timing, and the fact that the builds were behind. It' didn't make any sense for Apple to spring a half-baked OS on developers. I knew this was going to happen. Very glad to hear it. Trust me Apple wouldn't delay making money unless they felt it absolutely was important.
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post #56 of 505
4/12/07 at 2:53pm
I hate to suggest following Microsoft's example, but given the delay, perhaps Apple should do "Vista Express Upgrade"-style offer (free Vista for qualified PCs purchased 3 months earlier). That is, all Macs purchased from June are eligible for free Leopard (10.5) when it ships in October.
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post #57 of 505
4/12/07 at 2:53pm
Tis a bit annoying when so many people, like me, have planned their hardware purchases around 10.5. I was looking forward to getting a new mac and buying aperture so I could shoot RAW all summer.
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post #58 of 505
4/12/07 at 2:53pm
Actually if you were smart, in a few days Apple shares might drop, giving those who didn't buy in a second chance to 'buy lower & sell higher'.
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post #59 of 505
4/12/07 at 2:53pm
Just shows where Apple's priorities lie. Instead of having an updated OS I can make mobile calls instead. I'm also currently using a browser that is starting to feel quite sluggish and unreliable in loading websites properly when compared to newer browsers (Safari). I won't be seeing a better one for another 6 months it seems. Glad I didn't buy shares either. Hate to think how many people will now be buying Vista instead.
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post #60 of 505
4/12/07 at 2:54pm
I miss the days of Apple Computer don't you?

This really shows just how much they have been neglecting their computer division. If they want to set things right they should offer a Public Beta of 10.5 at the WWDC just as they did when OS X was first introduced. Oh, and update the MacBook, MacBook Pro, Mac mini, iMac, etc. by then as well.

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post #61 of 505
4/12/07 at 2:55pm
Its hard to continue being one of those people that has faith that Apple won't allow its computer business to suffer in favor of its consumer-electronics business.


Is Apple really robbing in-house OSX developers to work on iPhone?






Crap.
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post #62 of 505
4/12/07 at 2:55pm
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Originally Posted by xenocobramac View Post

I am truly disappointed. Apple is right at the cusp of being able to make real inroads in the corporate community. I have been able to get my firm to consider macs for the first time. This is a bush league error that signals a tipping point that Apple is not ready for prime time.

To blame the IPhone is beyond the pale. It does not make good business sense or good corporate PR logic. Really unbelievable.

And for IT managers everywhere, it makes it near impossible to argue to your corporate officers that Apple is a viable competitor to the business PC when they appear to be just another electronic toy company. And their own statements support that sentiment.

Mark this day, Apple will not live it down for a while.

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post #63 of 505
4/12/07 at 2:55pm
Oh dear!!
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post #64 of 505
4/12/07 at 2:57pm
All I've ever wanted is a darn spreadsheet.
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post #65 of 505
4/12/07 at 2:58pm
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Well they have me really really really wanting to know what those new features are.

We just got one: release in October. \
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post #66 of 505
4/12/07 at 3:02pm
in the end it's all about quality. can you imagine the outcry if apple delivered crap after all that time? i'd much rather have a stable OS than flashy garbage. screw the investors - it's really not about them when it comes to my livelyhood. i doubt anyone would seriously be looking at abandoning the mac in favour of vista over a three month delay. it is however unfortunate that we need to listen to apple's propaganda machine denying delays when clearly they must have known this was in the works. i guess thats the work press secretaries get paid for...
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post #67 of 505
4/12/07 at 3:02pm
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Hate to think how many people will now be buying Vista instead.

Euhm, I wouldn't advice you to buy Vista right now. Their very first service pack will probably be released around Leopard time That is October for you

And if you do wanna buy Vista today! Great!! Save your copy for Leopard so you get the best of both worlds!!
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post #68 of 505
4/12/07 at 3:03pm
I owe you guys an apology. Crow taste good this time of year...Not so bad news for me however seeing as I will not be an early adopter anyway. Waiting for 10.5.1 as usual. I will post an apology in the other thread as well. Although the reasons for the delay don't match a delay til October is a delay til October.
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post #69 of 505
4/12/07 at 3:03pm
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Talk about a bad year for Macs. 2007 has brought...new Mac Pros, and not even an upgrade to the Mac Pro lineup, just one new model with the same old graphics cards. Still no iLife. Still no Core2Duo Mac Mini.

A fitting year for Apple to drop "Computer" from their name. The secret features better be amazing, or steve is going to have a riot on his hands come WWDC.

Thanks for the great synopsis. I could not describe it better.
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post #70 of 505
4/12/07 at 3:06pm
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Very disappointing. AAPL shares will get hit tomorrow.

Great news. I'll be picking up another handful after the short-sellers irrationally knock AAPL down... hope it drops to around 65 to 70!... if it does, probably buy another 10-20 thousand worth.

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post #71 of 505
4/12/07 at 3:07pm
How the hell do you plan your hardware purchases around "10.5?" It's an operating system that was barely in beta!!! What kind of idiot would base a purchase off this? Seriously how many times have OSes been delayed in the last 12 years? Hundreds?

Grow up.
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post #72 of 505
4/12/07 at 3:07pm
OK, guys. It is not good news of course. But try to take a positive look on this. Apple is putting a lot of new stuff into Leopard. Many of the features are under-the-hood improvements, but significant ones indeed. From the publicly (not necessarily officially) available info we have so far Leopard server will also see significant improvements.

Regarding the reports that the seeds builds are buggy and crashing, look at this the other way: if something is crashing, it is a work in progress and there are good chances that it will be improved If it is not touched, it should work.

I don't believe there are earth-shocking top-secret features. This delay shows that most likely Apple was not ready to show everything at WWDC 2006. But don't expect something more than ZFS and new Apple digital hub features/applications targeted towards iPhone and Apple TV.

As for the reason - yes, it a human resources I believe. During the last year their software team had to manage:
\t- Intel transition (it was not easy for Apple to make it easier for third party developers)
\t- Apple TV rollout and related MacOS X shrinking
\t- iPhone - further MacOS shrinking and specific apps

I hope that Leopard is worth waiting indeed, and we will forgive Apple the current delay!

P.S. No, I am not working for Apple, just trying to cool you down, and myself too
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post #73 of 505
4/12/07 at 3:08pm
Heh, I still hold 100,000 shares. 10,000 of those were at about $14.00 while the other shares were around $60.00

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Great news. I'll be picking up another handful after the short-sellers irrationally knock AAPL down... hope it drops to around 65 to 70!... if it does, probably buy another 10-20 thousand worth.
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post #74 of 505
4/12/07 at 3:08pm
Well... I'm not so bothered about the delay in Leopard's release... the only thing for me is Boot Camp... this is timed beta software, due to expire at least in part in September - if we don't get Leopard (and the 'full' version of Boot Camp) till October now, what's going to happen to those of us heathens running Windows on Boot Camp on our Macs?
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post #75 of 505
4/12/07 at 3:09pm
ARGGGHHHHHH. This makes me want to punch a baby.

Way to sh** on everyone who is waiting for new hardware. This makes any leopard specific hardware features seem pretty unlikely. I just hope that that if there is new hardware soon they offer free upgrades...

And even if blaming the delay on iPhone is just smoke and mirrors, the fact is that's what they're blaming it on. So we're all justified in hating iPhone right now...

Apple Inc. blows. I want Apple Computer back.
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post #76 of 505
4/12/07 at 3:09pm
Sounds to me like Apple needs to hire more people. They also need to seriously upgrade their hardware - a CPU upgrade in the Mac Pro with no other improvements isn't impressing me, though I'll buy one because I need one.

As for Leopard, all I can say is that it had better be the best OS by far that has ever shipped. I'm tired of all of this secrecy regarding these features. By not telling people about them they just delay everything because developers can't utilize something they don't know about.

I can't believe Steve screwed it all up like this. Perhaps he needs to spend less time out on the golf course and more time cracking the whip!

P.S. The photo-op of Steve at the ball field using he iPhone was obviously just a publicity stunt if the thing needed so many engineers that they had to borrow from the Leopard team.
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post #77 of 505
4/12/07 at 3:10pm
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Heh, I still hold 100,000 shares. 10,000 of those were at about $14.00 while the other shares were around $60.00

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post #78 of 505
4/12/07 at 3:12pm
So Apple is not viable because of a 3 month delay, however Microsoft is viable for your company when it released details about the OS, then completely changed it, stripping it of all good features, then delayed it 1.....2......3.... years...

Glad I don't work with your logic.

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I am truly disappointed. Apple is right at the cusp of being able to make real inroads in the corporate community. I have been able to get my firm to consider macs for the first time. This is a bush league error that signals a tipping point that Apple is not ready for prime time.

To blame the IPhone is beyond the pale. It does not make good business sense or good corporate PR logic. Really unbelievable.

And for IT managers everywhere, it makes it near impossible to argue to your corporate officers that Apple is a viable competitor to the business PC when they appear to be just another electronic toy company. And their own statements support that sentiment.

Mark this day, Apple will not live it down for a while.
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post #79 of 505
4/12/07 at 3:14pm
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Originally Posted by Tofino View Post

in the end it's all about quality. can you imagine the outcry if apple delivered crap after all that time?

The point was to have Leopard released in Spring (anytime now) AND be of high quality.
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post #80 of 505
4/12/07 at 3:14pm
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What does this mean for iLife?

The new iLife will drop it's yearly naming scheme for good, and become part of Leopard, iWork may very likely do the same.
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