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post #41 of 68
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Originally Posted by scotty321 View Post

Sorry Apple, you won't be making a PENNY from me until you allow 3rd-party applications on the iPhone.

Apple, you have got to be absolutely crazy if you think I'm going to leave behind Pocket Quicken, FileMaker Pro, Vindigo, Dir Asst, SOHO Notes' Palm synchronization conduit, and all of my games -- all of which run beautifully on my Treo 650 and sync perfectly with my Mac.

The iPhone isn't a smartphone. It's a phone that plays music.

A real smartphone is the Treo.

Apple NEVER said that third party apps WOULDN'T be on the phone, just that they would have to go through Apple.
post #42 of 68
Ummm... Can anyone tell me where I can pick up some of this midnight oil? I'm just about out of my current bottle of late-night lube.
post #43 of 68
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Originally Posted by JCE10 View Post

Last time I sync'ed my Palm with my Mac, all my Asian contacts get garbled up because PalmOS doesn't support Unicode. Sync'ing contacts is a very basic functionality, and it didn't work.

I'm aware there are 3rd-party tools to remedy this problem, but I'd rather not go that route and make my digital life even more complicated. Too bad, because I really liked Palm before I ran into this problem.

Is it really so smart? Really?

I've never had that problem. My first Palm phone was the Samsung i300, then the Samsung i330, and now the Palm Treo 700p.

If your contacts were on your Mac, that's one thing. I assume you're saying they weren't on the Palm to begin with?

I've never had a problem syncing anything. I've got all sorts of programs and data on the phone. I also have hundreds of contacts, with mucho info on most. Never has anything been garbled.

Would I like to get an iPhone? You bet! My wife wants one now, though my daughter thinks it might be too big for her.

But, I'll wait for 3G, and see what other apps become available. A book reader is a must, for one. So is my scientific calculator, my conversion programs, etc.
post #44 of 68
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

With the way Cingular works I'm expecting hugh constraints at Cingular stores/resellers.

The Apple Store will be the best way to get ahold of an iPhone.

Remember, the phone is priced with contract so I don't think you can do an internet pre-order for the iPhone unless there is a way to signup online for the contract.

I think that Apple, at least is allowing internet signup.

Of course, that ruins their whole excuse for not allowing sales through phone stores, that is, the need to have trained help when someone comes in to buy the thing.
post #45 of 68
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

Why is that so, if an existing PDA can do the job? There's a significant size and cost difference that way.

No matter what they say, PDA's don't replace laptops when substantial inputting is required. I even bought one of those folding keyboards, but it simply isn't worth it. anything more than the occasional two sentences is a real pain.
post #46 of 68
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

First off, i want to say this, since it hasn't been said yet. that it amazes me how many people post something that's already been said 5 posts earlier.





Not gonna happen. I don't want to use my iPhone when I go running. I didn't get an iPod until the Mini came out because I wanted something small enough to strap to my arm.

MostI would have agreed with, but the 'everyone' qualifier is too absolute.

What's the matter with you? Can't you run and dial at the same time?
post #47 of 68
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

First off, i want to say this, since it hasn't been said yet. that it amazes me how many people post something that's already been said 5 posts earlier.





Not gonna happen. I don't want to use my iPhone when I go running. I didn't get an iPod until the Mini came out because I wanted something small enough to strap to my arm.

MostI would have agreed with, but the 'everyone' qualifier is too absolute.

I agree that everyone is too obsolute.

However don't assume everyone who buys an iPhone will use the phone feature. Most will use extra video and internet features. Now when the iPod are upgraded to include these features, than iPhone sales might slow down. But I think Apple is smart enough put all the extra features in the iPhone, thereby forcing many to buy one and then eventually use it as a phone.
post #48 of 68
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

First off, i want to say this, since it hasn't been said yet. that it amazes me how many people post something that's already been said 5 posts earlier.

Not gonna happen. I don't want to use my iPhone when I go running. I didn't get an iPod until the Mini came out because I wanted something small enough to strap to my arm.

MostI would have agreed with, but the 'everyone' qualifier is too absolute.

I think the "iPod" as we know it today will eventually be replaced by the iPhone.
The iPod nano and shuffle will still be around for ultra portable and cheap needs.
The standard iPod will perhaps change into an "iPod HiFi" or "iPod tablet" or something like that, with a larger screen size, larger capacity and iPhone OSX with more apps.
post #49 of 68
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Why do people put their signature/initials at the end of posts when your name is off to the left of the post?

Habit.

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post #50 of 68
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

Apple NEVER said that third party apps WOULDN'T be on the phone, just that they would have to go through Apple.

I'm sorry but could you please quote your reference?
post #51 of 68
I think the iPhone will do that much more of what the iPod currently does, create a gigantic halo effect

I haven't decided if I will buy one when they come out or wait.

Sad thing is, Cingular customers do not get a price cut even they are currently under contact
post #52 of 68
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Originally Posted by scotty321 View Post

Sorry Apple, you won't be making a PENNY from me until you allow 3rd-party applications on the iPhone.

We will see 3rd party applications for the iPhone, but only after Leopard is available for sale to the general public. My reason for saying this is because I believe Apple has stripped out "legacy" code from the version of OS X that will come on the iPhone which means developers will have to use Leopard specific APIs for iPhone applications.
post #53 of 68
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Originally Posted by nagromme View Post

Imagine when Apple sells multiple iPhone models, some smaller and cheaper. Think how well THOSE will sell.

Apple's not crazy--they won't ask you to leave the suite of Treo apps you already rely on. They'll sell to customers like me who don't need those particular apps.

The whole idea that there will not be third party apps is jumping the gun. Respondents who keep dissing Apple for not making this their ideal phone should note that not all the world uses Blackberries, that most phones are not Blackberries and that there are hundreds of phone types that do very little, except.. well, act as a phone. The fact that Apple has provided the world with so many useful and workable tools should speak for itself. The iPhone, will become an extraordinary device and if Apple has chosen to limit 3rd party apps for now, that is fine. First the phone needs to work without being crashed or hacked and thus becoming a nightmare for Apple and ATT right out of the gate.

I think the complainers need to give Apple a break here-- and see what the iPhone will actually do when it is released and how it evolves over the followng months. One just keeps being reminded of how "useless" the iPod was supposed to be. And how Apple was going out of business and couldn't make a decent computer and they charged too much---- the list goes on.
Let's see-- 10 billion in cash reserves and counting... I think Apple just might know how to make successful products that actually cater to the customers' needs.
post #54 of 68
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Originally Posted by Feynman View Post

I'm sorry but could you please quote your reference?

It's in several articles. I have so much about the iPhone bookmarked it hard to find everything easily, and Forbes has screwed up my bookmarks from them by redesigning their site.

But I have a quote from Jobs from one article, which I'll also link you to, though you have to read through it to get to this quote. Other articles have a further quote from Jobs about this, but I don't have time right now to look for them.

If you read this, you will see that he is mentioning the possibility of third party software. Some other quotes are even more explicit. He says that there will be third party software, but it will have to be checked by Apple first.

But, here's what I found right now.

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“That doesn’t mean there’s not going to be software to buy that you can load on them coming from us. It doesn’t mean we have to write it all, but it means it has to be more of a controlled environment.”

The link:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/12/te...erland&emc=rss
post #55 of 68
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

It's in several articles. I have so much about the iPhone bookmarked it hard to find everything easily, and Forbes has screwed up my bookmarks from them by redesigning their site.

But I have a quote from Jobs from one article, which I'll also link you to, though you have to read through it to get to this quote. Other articles have a further quote from Jobs about this, but I don't have time right now to look for them.

If you read this, you will see that he is mentioning the possibility of third party software. Some other quotes are even more explicit. He says that there will be third party software, but it will have to be checked by Apple first.

But, here's what I found right now.



The link:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/12/te...erland&emc=rss

Okay that works, thanks
post #56 of 68
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

Apple NEVER said that third party apps WOULDN'T be on the phone, just that they would have to go through Apple.

I am looking forward to seeing the rest of the Apple apps and features that are going to be on the iPhone, when it is officially launched.

Especially, the image sensing display, that allows true eye-2-eye video phone capability.

Just wait for it.
post #57 of 68
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Originally Posted by troberts View Post

We will see 3rd party applications for the iPhone, but only after Leopard is available for sale to the general public. My reason for saying this is because I believe Apple has stripped out "legacy" code from the version of OS X that will come on the iPhone which means developers will have to use Leopard specific APIs for iPhone applications.

There is no "legacy" code in OS X, at least since the Intel transition eliminated the Classic environment. Also OS X is not one big block of code. It is a smallish kernel of about 8MB in size, and tens of thousands of supporting files and tools to do a myriad of other things.

Putting OS X on the iPhone is mostly about porting the kernel and choosing/porting the other OS portions and tools that are needed. The device then needed all the "new" phone/device functionality created to sit on top of that.

Nothing "legacy removal related" there. Just tailoring the install to the desired device, which will leave off things that aren't needed. That doesn't make those left off things legacy in any way.
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post #58 of 68
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I am looking forward to seeing the rest of the Apple apps and features that are going to be on the iPhone, when it is officially launched.

Especially, the image sensing display, that allows true eye-2-eye video phone capability.

Just wait for it.

You and me brother.
post #59 of 68
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Originally Posted by Feynman View Post

I'm sorry but could you please quote your reference?

They really haven't released many details yet. I think it was an NYT or Newsweek article where Steve said that it will likely be a system where Apple has final say on what apps are allowed on the phone, but that there will likely be third party apps. No more specifics were given.
post #60 of 68
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

They really haven't released many details yet. I think it was an NYT or Newsweek article where Steve said that it will likely be a system where Apple has final say on what apps are allowed on the phone, but that there will likely be third party apps. No more specifics were given.

I would absolutely love it if Delicious Library was one of those apps I have no doubt in my mind that they will be.
post #61 of 68
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Originally Posted by g5man View Post

I agree that everyone is too obsolute.

However don't assume everyone who buys an iPhone will use the phone feature. Most will use extra video and internet features. Now when the iPod are upgraded to include these features, than iPhone sales might slow down. But I think Apple is smart enough put all the extra features in the iPhone, thereby forcing many to buy one and then eventually use it as a phone.

I'm gonna chalk that up to 420 because if you honestly believe that anyone would buy a 500 dollar phone, monthly contract and data plan for what would essentially be a psp you have smoked more than your fair share.
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post #62 of 68
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They really haven't released many details yet. I think it was an NYT or Newsweek article where Steve said that it will likely be a system where Apple has final say on what apps are allowed on the phone, but that there will likely be third party apps. No more specifics were given.

Google Maps is on the iPhone already, so I imagine that other 3rd-party apps will also be allowed. I also imagine that the bulk of them will be in the form of Java widgets and will be controlled via iTunes either for free or low cost purchase through the iTunes Store.

For example, I'm a frequent traveler so I'd like to have a Currency Converter, World Clock, Multi-Language Translator, Worldwide Hot-Spot Locator, Airline Flight Finder.


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I would absolutely love it if Delicious Library was one of those apps I have no doubt in my mind that they will be.

How would you use Delicious Library on the iPhone? All your media would be synced and stored in iTunes. I really don't follow how it would be useful and not redundant.
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post #63 of 68
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I'm gonna chalk that up to 420 because if you honestly believe that anyone would buy a 500 dollar phone, monthly contract and data plan for what would essentially be a psp you have smoked more than your fair share.

They may have forgotten that there is a 2 year contract associated with the iPhone purchase. If not for the contractual part, there certainly is a market for people who want a WiFi iPod with Safari browser.

I fully expect an 80 and 120GB HDD iPod Video with multi-touch-screen w/WiFi and browser for $300 and $450. I'm expecting those to come out sometime in the October.
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post #64 of 68
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I still can't imagine it being much of an email-intensive phone using the touch screen. Also, so far the only the only mail accounts it apparently supports are .Mac and Yahoo, so everyone else will have to rely on web-based mail.

Or much use to business users since it won't recognize any MSOffice documents (or PDF for that matter)...

sounds serious, they way you said it. but it isnt like that. why wouldnt a lite version of OSX be able to view a PDF? you can actually generate PDFs through any OSX application by going to the print dialog and choosing save as PDF.

and your business concerns need to be addressed but i keep hearing about internet applications for business and the reference to Google web applications.
post #65 of 68
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Originally Posted by the Beatles View Post

sounds serious, they way you said it. but it isnt like that. why wouldnt a lite version of OSX be able to view a PDF? you can actually generate PDFs through any OSX application by going to the print dialog and choosing save as PDF.

Those claims are unfounded. Safari and Preview can both view PDFs. Mail works with any POP, IMAP or Exchange via IMAP accounts.
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post #66 of 68
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-snip- an additional 25 percent said would purchase it when their existing wireless carrier offers the iPhone. -snip-
Put me in this group.. Have been a customer of AT$T and Cingusuck in the past, and have no intention of EVER going back.. Would rather not have a cell phone than deal w/ those a$$holes...

Just so you know, I have a friend with Cingular, and the phone he was using had a DISTINCT effect on his service. He'd gotten a crappy Razor, but eventually managed to get a new phone that didn't have the same HORRENDOUS FLAWS that caused him to constantly lose his signal and question any number of other reasons for his problems, including the carrier. Now, he's MORE than happy, considers his service unbeatable, and when no one is looking, I catch him "skipping".

Seriously though... this "study/survey" cracks me up. I don't know if anyone has pointed this out yet, but I keep imagining this conversation:

SURVEYOR: "Hello, sir. Have you heard of the Apple iPhone?"
SURVEYEE: "No. No, I haven't. What's that?"

1 Month Later...

SURVEYOR: "Hello, sir. Have you heard of the Apple iPhone?"
SURVEYEE: "Sure. You told me about it last month."

SURVEY COMPANY: "There you have it, awareness is GROWING about the Apple iPhone! Last month's survey had awareness at roughly 47% of prospective customers. This month, its at nearly 100%! Unbelievable!"
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Seriously though... this "study/survey" cracks me up. I don't know if anyone has pointed this out yet, but I keep imagining this conversation:

SURVEYOR: "Hello, sir. Have you heard of the Apple iPhone?"
SURVEYEE: "No. No, I haven't. What's that?"

1 Month Later...

SURVEYOR: "Hello, sir. Have you heard of the Apple iPhone?"
SURVEYEE: "Sure. You told me about it last month."

SURVEY COMPANY: "There you have it, awareness is GROWING about the Apple iPhone! Last month's survey had awareness at roughly 47% of prospective customers. This month, its at nearly 100%! Unbelievable!"

Wonderful! Except that for that very reason, they don't survey the same people.
post #68 of 68
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I fully expect an 80 and 120GB HDD iPod Video with multi-touch-screen w/WiFi and browser for $300 and $450. I'm expecting those to come out sometime in the October.

Apple could have done this already. Which lends to the speculation that Apple is looking to transition the entire iPod line from HDD to SDD.
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