Originally Posted by Jubelum
My goodness, the dire topic aside, "being dead looks really really weak" has got to be one of the best posts I have seen here in awhile. Props for that.
I want their job to be defined. I want a plan from someone which is not "stay there forever, or pull out and give up." Surely there is some middle ground there, where most of the American people are. We need a non-public timetable and goals negotiated with the Iraqi government to handle its own shit.
If we were to surrender and leave, we'd be letting the insurgents have the run of the country, free to exterminate all that had been associates of the American Infidels.
I hate failure and defeat, especially for our armed forces. It is not something I take lightly that politicians are making the boots on the ground into a political football of blame and credit.
That's bullshit. Bush was wrong for going. The democrats are wrong in how they want us to finish. The net result is that people that wear our flag on their arm are pawns in an electoral game. That's my beef, folks. We need to bring them home, but not before we have fulfilled our duty to the people of Iraq and secure their ability to take care of themselves. Why can't we all get behind that plan?
A plan from someone? Anyone?
Are you that desperate?
Negotiate with the Iraqi government?, when they come back from their holiday?
Everyone hates failure and defeat, but put the blame where it belongs.
Going into Iraq based on lies, that are coming out now, has profited who?
No one blames the troops, they take their orders and trust their leaders to know what they are doing.
I used to post at MacnetV, a bastion of right wing and Libertarian views.
I got so pissed that I once said, F*ck the Iraqis, if they can't stand up then leave.
These right wing, libertarians, agreed with me.
Why should Americans die when they aren't willing to.
That was 2 and a half years ago. Has anything changed?
John Manzione has since closed the site and is opening under a faux new name and only allowing users that think like him to post.
Edit. I registered and now opens on a blank page. Figures.
Americans should get out of the hell that is Iraq.
Most of the good that has been done is overshadowed by corruption, wasted resources, hatred, loss of goodwill and American influence aroud the world has been downgraded.
This is the legacy Americans elected twice.
Are the supporters of this administration proud?
I would hope not, Ann Coulter and ilk aside.