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Well, must be the most direct goodness stemming from MWSF. As a starter of one of the numerous threads on iBrowse, I'm happy to say they finally delivered. No wonder that there hasn't been word from microsoft for months. They knew.

Anyhow. The GUI of this app (I'm typing on it) could be much improved. I hate their gratuitous use of brushed metal here (AGAIN!). That's definitely not good for me. More along the line of Mail. I understand their minimalist setup, and that's more than cool, but the metal.... looks a bit like somebody's mockup of what a browser of apple would look like.

Anyway... reactions?
post #2 of 43
Safari so far has been real nice, all hour or so that i've had it...

One thing though, the lack of tabbed browsers has me wondering if i'm going to be able to continue to use it.

Chimera and Mozilla have spoiled me so.

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post #3 of 43
I'm still too giddy to post a cohesive reply... but first impressions are cool. I tried surfing some notoriously buggy sites and Safari handled them better than Netscape7 or Explorer... and thanks for importing all my Explorer favourites to save me the hassle of actually typing

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post #4 of 43
They pulled a fast one on all of us. No Gecko, instead they use Konqueror. Slim, tough perhaps more limited (I know nothing of it really) in terms of development as a platform or framework.
post #5 of 43
im not crying about brushed metal... hehe.

the font is smaller and harder to read than in IE. but safari is smoother and i dont have misisng text and gaps on the pages. however, i would like to be able to open the mail program right from safari, like in IE.

no complaints...this is just a beta and i expect it to get better. i will try to wean myself off IE in the meantime. copying main bookmarks over now.

edit: im still getting pop-ups... <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />

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post #6 of 43
Anybody descovered a way to import bookmarks from OmniWeb or Chimera?
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Humm. It doesn't put the little red dots under spelling mistakes, and the option to disable animated gifs would be nice.
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post #7 of 43
[quote]Originally posted by Mediaman:
<strong>Humm. It doesn't put the little red dots under spelling mistakes</strong><hr></blockquote>Control-click in the text field. Choose Spelling -&gt; Check Spelling as You Type. That is the same method as in any app. Alternatively you can choose this from the Edit menu.
post #8 of 43
Anybody know if you can change the default search text box from google to whatever you want?
post #9 of 43
Safari identifies itself as Mozilla.

one thing that i miss in it - T A B S !!!!!!

Chimera is faster boosted. If it had tabs i think i could use it.. it's not bad but it needs more speed and the tabs
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[quote]Originally posted by Mulattabianca:
<strong>Safari identifies itself as Mozilla.

one thing that i miss in it - T A B S !!!!!!

Chimera is faster boosted. If it had tabs i think i could use it.. it's not bad but it needs more speed and the tabs </strong><hr></blockquote>
Yep. It definately needs tabs.
post #11 of 43
what's the big deal about tabs
post #12 of 43
Mulattabianca get your ass on AIM we need to chat

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post #13 of 43
[quote]Originally posted by markaaron:
<strong>I'm still too giddy to post a cohesive reply... but first impressions are cool. I tried surfing some notoriously buggy sites and Safari handled them better than Netscape7 or Explorer... and thanks for importing all my Explorer favourites to save me the hassle of actually typing

MA</strong><hr></blockquote>

it didn't import my bookmarks but i was able to drag them over. i lied it did. i found them

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post #14 of 43
I mostly will just be seconding what other people have said I think. I am using safari onw, and I am very pleased. I need tabs. I have gotten so used to them and I love them, multiple windows just feels so cluttered to me, and it's moer of a pain to keep them organized. And I don't know if I like the brushed metal in an app like web browser. I have never had a big problem with the metal look, but the way a browser window tends to occupy most of the screen, I think it would look better to have pin stripes to match the menu bar, that it is so close (in proximity) to, unlike most of my other metal apps. The only other things I can think of right now: while I like the omission of the bar along the bottom of the window, I like to be able to mouse over a link and see where it points. And I was surprised to see that java alerts don't open as sheets. I've gotten very used to that in Chimera and I think it is more elegant than a window. Think that's all for now. Over all, good jopb on this one Apple.
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post #15 of 43
couple of things:

(1) Nice browser so far, like the bookmark management. (For those looking to import from OW - open the OW bookmark file in one window, then open the bookmark screen in another window. Drag and drog. (this gets the name thing right, but doesn't allow you to drag more than one at a time unfortunately).

(2) Where's all the refinements of OW? No ability to do equivalents to short cuts, no ability to block ads (just pop-ups). No ability (so far as I can see) to check bookmarks for changes.

(3) STOP tiling new windows. When I have a browser at full screen, I want it to open a new window directly on top of the open one.

(4) Can't log in to some sites (e.g. Westlaw.com, my university's Student Information System) - it gets stuck in some sort of loop with one, and never succeeds at logging on with the other.

(5) Some substitute for tabs (especially if they don't fix (3)

(6) Stop switching the active window just because a page was unreachable or timed out.


That's my list so far.

Other problems?
post #16 of 43
[quote]Originally posted by Mulattabianca:
<strong>Safari identifies itself as Mozilla.

one thing that i miss in it - T A B S !!!!!!

Chimera is faster boosted. If it had tabs i think i could use it.. it's not bad but it needs more speed and the tabs </strong><hr></blockquote>


Even IE has Mozilla in its ID.
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post #17 of 43
cpac, a few things...
ITS A BETA FOR GOD SAKES!
if you want those features then god damn suggest them, heck it hasnt even got any actual preferences yet and your whining that it hasnt got these small features. God if it bothers you that much send that to apple not us ¬_¬
post #18 of 43
The "view source" window could use alot of refinement. I love OW's version of it and I'd like safari to implement it. It can't be too hard, can it?
post #19 of 43
[quote]Originally posted by JLL:
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Even IE has Mozilla in its ID.</strong><hr></blockquote>

IE is identified as IE, not as Mozilla. OW is identified as Netscape unless you decide otherwise. iCab as iCab, links as links or nothing .. Chimera and Safari are seen by stats (at least so far) mainly as Mozilla.
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post #20 of 43
Anyone know the best way to import Chimera bookmarks to Safari?
post #21 of 43
Massively loving this app.

Interface needs a bit of work (square next to rounded fields? eew... but otherwise, it's my default browser.

Sorry Omni. OW5 may be great, but it just didn't come quick enough...
post #22 of 43
[quote]Originally posted by eVo:
<strong>Anyone know the best way to import Chimera bookmarks to Safari?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Export them from Chimera, import them into IE. Reinstall Safari.

Safari saves it's bookmarks in an XML plist file in /Library/Safari. Maybe deleting the file while Safari is not running and starting it up again will reimport IE bookmarks instead of reinstalling.
post #23 of 43
Thank You Apple! This Safari app kicks IE's butt. One less piece of M$ trash to use.

Tabs? Never liked them myself but as long as I can turn them off who cares. You guys seem to like them so hopefully they will be added.

Ok this may sound odd but these apps without borders kinda bug me. I wish they had the option to turn borders on. (I want this feature in Terminal also)

I sorta miss the dropdown menu of bookmarks but I think this new bookmark system is growin on me
post #24 of 43
It appears that Safari is Steve Jobs F**k You to Bill Gates.
post #25 of 43
It doesn't auto-highlight the URL in the address bar when clicked on. Grrr....
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post #26 of 43
Anyone notice this possible bug?

Type an option + 2 to get the (tm) symbol in a text entry field. It looks right.

Here's a (tm)

?

See it looks right in this screenie:



But it ends up being a ? when I post. Strange.

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post #27 of 43
Maybe it's just me, but does Safari not have a 'close window' button, you know the red one that's in every window. i clicked about where it should be and the window closes, but there's nothing there.
post #28 of 43
So wait.

Apple hired David Hyatt, creator of the Chimera web browser featuring the Gecko Rendering engine. So why does Safari use something called KHTML? Did I get that part wrong?
post #29 of 43
I kind of like the metal look. I didn't at first but then I realised I never really look at it.

Anyway has anybody worked out a way to check security certifcates on a secure page? I still haven't managed to.

[quote] The only other things I can think of right now: while I like the omission of the bar along the bottom of the window, I like to be able to mouse over a link and see where it points. <hr></blockquote>

Go to the menu "View" then select "Status Bar" and you can have it on or off. Shortcut is Command-\\

[quote] (2) Where's all the refinements of OW? <hr></blockquote>

Keep in mind it's still a beta and OW is at 4.x or something. Make the suggestions to Apple and I'm sure they'll refine it over time. The main thing for a beta is just to make sure it works reliably though.

[quote] It doesn't auto-highlight the URL in the address bar when clicked on. Grrr.... <hr></blockquote>

I really like that fact but you can just triple click it. Double click will do a section of the address. Same as double highlights a word in text and triple a line.

[quote] Maybe it's just me, but does Safari not have a 'close window' button, you know the red one that's in every window. i clicked about where it should be and the window closes, but there's nothing there. <hr></blockquote>

This is caused by using some theme or something with the new recessed style of buttons. It's not a bug of the browser but of the theme or whatever it is.

[quote] Apple hired David Hyatt, creator of the Chimera web browser featuring the Gecko Rendering engine. So why does Safari use something called KHTML? Did I get that part wrong? <hr></blockquote>

You got it right but don't forget David Hyatt is still familiar with browser design and knows what's required within one. He just didn't choose the same rendering engine.
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post #30 of 43
KHTML is used in Konquerer, for whoever asked.
post #31 of 43
[quote]Originally posted by ShawnPatrickJoyce:
<strong>So wait.

Apple hired David Hyatt, creator of the Chimera web browser featuring the Gecko Rendering engine. So why does Safari use something called KHTML? Did I get that part wrong?</strong><hr></blockquote>

David Hyatt wedged a rendering engine into a Cocoa-based web browser. Since Apple wanted to do the same thing, Hyatt's help would have been nice. In addition to Apple's stated reasons, I would think it would have been harder to make Safari "Mac-like" with all of Gecko's insistence of platform agnosticism.

Also, mac's girl: turn off pop-ups in the Safari application menu.
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[quote]Originally posted by frawgz:
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David Hyatt wedged a rendering engine into a Cocoa-based web browser. Since Apple wanted to do the same thing, Hyatt's help would have been nice. In addition to Apple's stated reasons, I would think it would have been harder to make Safari "Mac-like" with all of Gecko's insistence of platform agnosticism.

Also, mac's girl: turn off pop-ups in the Safari application menu.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Hyatt is mainly an interface guy. He's also involved in Phoenix.
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post #33 of 43
[quote]Originally posted by JLL:
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Hyatt is mainly an interface guy. He's also involved in Phoenix.</strong><hr></blockquote>

He's not an interface guy, he's just a very good programmer who recognizes the importance of UI and thoughtful design in creating good apps.

Neither Chimera nor Phoenix can be thought of as simply skins for Mozilla which I think your comment sort of implies.
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post #34 of 43
[quote]Originally posted by iBrowse:
<strong>Maybe it's just me, but does Safari not have a 'close window' button, you know the red one that's in every window. i clicked about where it should be and the window closes, but there's nothing there.</strong><hr></blockquote>You have installed some kind of theme over Aqua in 10.2.3, haven't you? Tsk tsk.
post #35 of 43
[quote]Originally posted by stupider...likeafox:
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He's not an interface guy, he's just a very good programmer who recognizes the importance of UI and thoughtful design in creating good apps.</strong><hr></blockquote>

He was the main force behin XUL. I'm not saying that he is a UI guy, but a programmer actually implementing interface elements.


[quote]Originally posted by stupider...likeafox:
<strong>Neither Chimera nor Phoenix can be thought of as simply skins for Mozilla which I think your comment sort of implies.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I didn't imply that at all.
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post #36 of 43
For whoever wanted this: Just click on the icon next to the URL in the address bar, and the entire thing is highlighted. A wonderful solution to the standard UI, but yet a one-click operation.
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post #37 of 43
[quote]Originally posted by Brad:
<strong>You have installed some kind of theme over Aqua in 10.2.3, haven't you? Tsk tsk.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I knew it was coming Brad, I really did. Right after the update my theme was gone, like after most updates, so I just put my theme back. I've used AquaFix and stuff to put it back to normal but none of it works. I haven't noticed this in any other brushed metal app though.
post #38 of 43
Since this seems to be the default Safari thread.

The "Open page with..." option is fcuking GREAT. Wish all browsers came witih it. Browsing on the outher rim of the internet can be a painful experience for a mac user but with this function you have all your tools handy.

Hope they will keep it in the final version...
post #39 of 43
Seen what happens when you drag a link to the desktop?

Even that looks yummy.
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post #40 of 43
[quote]Thank You Apple! This Safari app kicks IE's butt. One less piece of M$ trash to use.<hr></blockquote>

Hmmmm, go to any page that uses CSS for links, menu's, etc and tell me that Safari kicks butt.

I can't access ANY links on about 13 of my favorite sites, when I can do so in Chimera, Netscape or IE.

Overall it's a good beta but it's not a winner by far when compared to other more feature rich browsers.

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