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Next MacBook update a yawner; Ultra-portable to get 13-inch display

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A forthcoming update to Apple Inc.'s 13-inch line of consumer MacBooks won't deliver much in terms of new features, AppleInsider has learned. Meanwhile, the dimensions of the company's ultra portable sub-notebook initiative are taking shape.

MacBook update

People familiar with the Mac maker's portable plans tell AppleInsider the Cupertino-based firm is looking to absorb a bit more from its initial 13-inch MacBook design.

Unlike an upcoming revision to its professional 15-inch MacBook Pros, the next version of Apple's consumer MacBooks is unlikely to benefit from architectural enhancements recently presented as part of Intel Corp.'s "Santa Rosa" notebook platform.

Similarly, the 13-inch notebooks won't reap the benefits of an LED-backlit display until a successive revision later in the year.

As it stands, the MacBook remains the most rigorously-redesigned Mac system to break free from Apple's industrial design labs in recent years -- an accolade it will soon surrender to a pair of radically restructured 20- and 24-inch iMacs.

MacBook Pro update

For the time being, Apple will reportedly focus on boosting the grade of its professional MacBook Pro line which, unlike the MacBook, is expected to draw an enhanced set of features from Santa Rosa.

These should include faster front-side bus speeds of 800MHz, and second-generation Core 2 Duo mobile processors that scale up to 2.4GHz.

As reported by AppleInsider, a new 15-inch MacBook Pro model will also signify the first Mac to trade in its cathode fluorescent-backlit display for one that uses LED backlighting.

MacBook ultra-portable

At the same time, Apple continues to pound away on an ultra-thin portable designed to capture a slice of the growing sub-notebook market and boost sales in Japan.

In what's sure to be a warmly received move, people familiar with initiative tell AppleInsider that the Mac maker plans to go easy on our eyesight and is building the model around stunning, ultra-thin, 13-inch LED backlit display.

That's right -- it appears those recent Apple orders for 13-inch LED backlit panels are destined for the firm's ultra-portable initiative and not its impending 13-inch MacBook update.

Combining this latest tidbit with information presented in previous AppleInsider reports, here's a summary of what we know and don't know about the next-gen Apple sub-notebook:

What we know:
13-inch ultra-thin, LED-back lit displayNo optical disc driveOn-board NAND flash for faster application launching and boot timesBuilt-in iSight webcamThinner and lighter than existing MacBook offeringsAirPort Extreme 802.11n enabledMagSafe power adapterTarget launch late '07, early '08
What we don't know:
Precise Intel architecture (but appears to be Santa Rosa-based)Target price pointRAM and HDD storage capacity and expandabilityI/O port breakdownOperating system software (appears to be Leopard)Expected battery lifeEnclosure makeup
Additional reading (backstories):
Next-gen MacBook Pro to shine brighter
Apple to re-enter the sub-notebook market
Apple's next-generation iMacs to add a touch of grace
Resetting the timeline for Apple's ultra-portable initiative
Steve Jobs confirms first Macs with LED backlighting due this year
Apple delays Leopard release until October
Apple moves to certify LED-backlit panels for 13-inch MacBooks
Intel rolls out Santa Rosa notebook platform
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In my view, it would make sense for Apple to build "separation" between the MacBook Pro and MacBook lines. This would ensure that people who need the enhanced features will have no choice but to buy the MacBook Pro. It would be better for Apple's bottom line and it should reduce the number of people who have historically asked:

Should I get a MacBook or MacBook Pro?

Presonally, I'm waiting for the new MacBook Pro models and will buy the day the are released. I'll be heading to grad school soon so I'm in need of a new portable.
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MacBook Mini on its way,

my guess Storage will be on Flash Memory 16GB, with out support for Bootcamp and Vista dual booting. 16 GB is more than sufficient for lightweight travel note book with OS X.

too many confusion over updates of MacBook and Pro, WWDC has all the key!.

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i was going to get a 15 inch macbook pro for school, but i didn't get accepted to the course i wanted, mabye i'll check out the sub notebook if it has a good processer ( santa rosa ) and has minimum 2 gb ram.


Quote: my guess Storage will be on Flash Memory 16GB


That's too small in my opinion. They should have like 40 80 and 100. and if they can fit it, more.
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I am ultra-skeptical about this ultra-portable Macintosh. Hmm.
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I am ultra-skeptical about this ultra-portable Macintosh. Hmm.

I am too, but Appleinsider has been pretty reliable when it comes to this stuff, I must say. I think one of the analysts also vouched for a tiny macbook later this year.

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Really? I understand no LED-backlit screens right away for the MacBook (they're still pricey) but no GMA X3100?

If not, why not?

That's the one upgrade the MB really could use.
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I would have prefer a MacBook Pro 13"....a real pro laptop....not a iphone/ipod on steroids
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In what's sure to be a warmly received move, people familiar with initiative tell AppleInsider that the Mac maker plans to go easy on our eyesight and is building the model around stunning, ultra-thin, 13-inch LED backlit display.

This makes sense to me, a 13" screen is easily the smallest I'd ever go with a notebook again. Personally I think the 15.4" is the sweetspot, and the fact that we're now gone widescreen 12" would be non-productive IMO. The thinness and the weight reduction is what will make this thing a take anywhere notebook, not the small reduction of a couple of inches off the screen size, this makes sense. I was discussing this with a friend recently, we held up that tiny Sony (11" widescreen) and we both remarked (at the same time);"the screen is too small".
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I'm going to be so tempted by the new Macbook Pro.

But I must resist.
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I'm going to be so tempted by the new Macbook Pro.
But I must resist.

Do you need it?
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In my view, it would make sense for Apple to build "separation" between the MacBook Pro and MacBook lines. This would ensure that people who need the enhanced features will have no choice but to buy the MacBook Pro. It would be better for Apple's bottom line and it should reduce the number of people who have historically asked:

Should I get a MacBook or MacBook Pro?

Presonally, I'm waiting for the new MacBook Pro models and will buy the day the are released. I'll be heading to grad school soon so I'm in need of a new portable.

Actually, the have the option to stay on the PC side and get them from HP. Sticking users with old tech in the Macbooks will help get extra money out of existing Mac users pockets, but it could seriously hamper its growth among switchers and notebooks is where Apple is getting the vast majority of its converts.
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Do you need it?

I have a PC desktop I'm itching to get rid of, as well as a Core 1 Duo Macbook. The only real reason I still have the PC hanging around is for gaming. If I bought a MBP I could transfer all my docs and settings from the Macbook, get a Windows installation up and running, install the few remaining games that I play, and donate my PC to someone else in the family, where I'll never have to deal with it again.

It's very tempting.

I may hold on to see what the new iMacs have in store, though.
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I am too, but Appleinsider has been pretty reliable when it comes to this stuff, I must say.

Yes, this is true even when it is a bit off in time frame. But this rumor raises some questions. How this portable is going to be positioned between the existing lines? Will be a supplement to the pro line, probably a replacement for the extinct 12" Powerbook? A species of its own? If so what would be the point of the Macbook? Price choice only?
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In my view, it would make sense for Apple to build "separation" between the MacBook Pro and MacBook lines. This would ensure that people who need the enhanced features will have no choice but to buy the MacBook Pro.

You mean go back to crippling the cheaper hardware to make the more expensive offerings look better? God knows what this means for the severely neglected Mac Mini.
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I can see no logic in such a small form factor. Keyboards are already cramped enough. Stop the madness!... and no CD/DVD drive? Whaaaaaat?

Only way this makes sense: Apple's trying to get more of the "$100 computer" customers worldwide.

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I think it may look like that Sony Vaio X505 notebook.....that is still the thinnest notebook I have ever seen.

http://reviews.cnet.com/Sony_VAIO_X5...-30886049.html
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Also, from the wording of the rumour, it looks like the MacBook will receive NO changes at all. Which simply can't be true.
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13" + ultra-portable = oxymoron

Seriously, if that's what Apple equates to "ultra-portable", I'll just get another 15" Mac notebook. Guess I can keep hoping that they have an reasonably sized iTablet design to follow from the iPhone.
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An excellent, good ole fashioned Appleinsider article trying to bring some visibility to the murky waters of potential Apple products.
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I wonder if the idea of upgrading the Pro line is to accelerate buys among the those who who use Creative Suite and want to exit the desktop form factor. Laptops are gaining share across all types of users so at a minimum this might get the true professional users to finally start buying intel macs.
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13" + ultra-portable = oxymoron

Seriously, if that's what Apple equates to "ultra-portable", I'll just get another 15" Mac notebook. Guess I can keep hoping that they have an reasonably sized iTablet design to follow from the iPhone.


the focus of ultraportable is the WEIGHT, not just the size.

wouldn't you rather have 13'' notebook that weighs in at 2.5lbs over 10'' notebook that weighs in at 2.5lbs (like Sony T series)?
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the focus of ultraportable is the WEIGHT, not just the size.

wouldn't you rather have 13'' notebook that weighs in at 2.5lbs over 10'' notebook that weighs in at 2.5lbs (like Sony T series)?

To me, an ultraportable is a computer you can use in Economy on the plane, on a bus or train, or half-sitting against a wall. It also needs very high resolution to make up for the loss in display area.

I have a 12" iBook... even losing a half inch in thickness and giving it a widescreen wouldn't make it small enough for me to call a compact computer.

The people that are begging for the sub-notebooks want something smaller-- as small as possible while remaining a fully functional machine. They are the only ones that will pay the necessary premium for such a device... not your college student market.

I really do hope Apple boosts the model ranges some... I don't even bring my 17" MBP home anymore-- do big and heavy for the bicycle.
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Yeah, a 2.5lb 13" ultraslim MacBook Thin at $1700+ would sell like hotcakes.
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Actually, the have the option to stay on the PC side and get them from HP. Sticking users with old tech in the Macbooks will help get extra money out of existing Mac users pockets, but it could seriously hamper its growth among switchers and notebooks is where Apple is getting the vast majority of its converts.

I had already decided to get a Santa Rosa MacBook but only if it included the new GPU and not the GMA 950. I guess my dream of switching back to Mac was just that, a dream.
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The current macbook is TOO EXPENSIVE without santa rosa. They need to put SR in the MB or make it cheaper.

And the ultra-portable sounds like the macbook I want....but without an optical drive. lol.
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sorry, to expand on my last post:

I'm actually angry at how little this meets my somewhat modest expectations. I figured the MB would get the new SR technology when it came out....i mean whats the point of inventing the chip if manufacturers won't use it. I hope people start buying dells and gateways this school year, just so apple gets the picture.
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I am ultra-skeptical about this ultra-portable Macintosh. Hmm.

Well if it's the real deal, I just hope they don't call it the Macbook Sub.
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The current macbook is TOO EXPENSIVE without santa rosa. They need to put SR in the MB or make it cheaper.

And the ultra-portable sounds like the macbook I want....but without an optical drive. lol.

I don't believe that portion of the article at all. Santa Rosa doesn't appear to be more expensive than Napa. I just checked out the HP DV2500 model. Santa Rosa, X3100 graphics and new T7xxx core2 chips.

I don't know who provided the information but why would Apple attempt to deliver Napa product vs Santa Rose (which will win any graphics battle) for some silly differentiation. The differentiation between MB and MBP is discrete graphics and other step up features. Plus you have Robson options now as yet another differentiator.

MB is going to be Santa Rosa. Apple isn't stupid enough to try and sell a platform that's been replaced.
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In my view, it would make sense for Apple to build "separation" between the MacBook Pro and MacBook lines. This would ensure that people who need the enhanced features will have no choice but to buy the MacBook Pro. It would be better for Apple's bottom line and it should reduce the number of people who have historically asked:

Should I get a MacBook or MacBook Pro?

Why do you want Apple to spite the consumer? That will only work against Apple. What else would you take out or add?

There already are huge differences - but generally sane ones, you know, like FireWire 800 and the [ducks] separate video card. None of those are necessary for the average, non-pro, non-nerd user.

But every user has eyes, and they might appreciate a bigger screen. That would put an end to the question "MB v. MBP." And they'd be, say, $400 less poor. Maybe they'd buy an iPod instead. Everybody wins!
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the focus of ultraportable is the WEIGHT, not just the size.

wouldn't you rather have 13'' notebook that weighs in at 2.5lbs over 10'' notebook that weighs in at 2.5lbs (like Sony T series)?

The 10". I want a 10" not a 13". I actually fly on planes in economy class unlike haveing my own private jet.
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MB is going to be Santa Rosa. Apple isn't stupid enough to try and sell a platform that's been replaced.

I hope you're right. I want Apple to succeed regardless of whether I switch or not. It is one of Microsoft's few true competitors. While it's great that Apple is diversifying into other markets I still want it to continue to be a player in the computer space. But if Apple doesn't want to offer computers "for the rest of us" then it should stop trying to convince us to switch without offering viable alternatives.
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my guess Storage will be on Flash Memory 16GB

It may be sufficient capacity, but the severely increased cost, slightly smaller size,slightly lower weigh and energy savings aren't enough to warrant a complete move away from a 9.5mm 2.5" HDD. If anything, Apple would stick a 1.8" HDD—like in the 5G iPod— before it went to all Flash capacity on a notebook.


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This makes sense to me, a 13" screen is easily the smallest I'd ever go with a notebook again. Personally I think the 15.4" is the sweetspot, and the fact that we're now gone widescreen 12" would be non-productive IMO. The thinness and the weight reduction is what will make this thing a take anywhere notebook, not the small reduction of a couple of inches off the screen size, this makes sense. I was discussing this with a friend recently, we held up that tiny Sony (11" widescreen) and we both remarked (at the same time);"the screen is too small".

I agree, now that we've moved away from 4:3 ratio displays, smaller screens really don't work well for reading page. It's too bad though, I really loved my 12" PB.
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I don't believe that portion of the article at all.

Agreed. If they don't put SR in the MacBooks, they'll kill their back-to-school sales. College kids are smart enough to do a feature comparison and see that a Napa MacBook is inferior to other manufacturers' offerings. Waiting on LED backlighting makes sense, though. (Plus, I want to buy an SR MacBook SOON. )

As for the MacBook mini, sounds like a great contender for the longed for dock. 13", 16GB solid state drive - just enough to do some field work, take to class, or travel. And a nice dock with all the peripherals.

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the focus of ultraportable is the WEIGHT, not just the size.

wouldn't you rather have 13'' notebook that weighs in at 2.5lbs over 10'' notebook that weighs in at 2.5lbs (like Sony T series)?

How weak are some of you people? I take my 15" Powermac everywhere. I've never even thought about how much it weighs; it doesn't weigh very much. I have a nice slim case for it. Make me choose between a 12", 13" and 15" and I'll go for the 15 every time. They're all too big to be "ultra-portable", so I may as well pick the optimal size for my work.

What I want is something small, grab and go, good battery life (which hopefully will come with flash and LED backlighting), go out and do some fieldwork, preferably with some tablet capability, and/or that fits well in a small carry on bag for economy class.

A 13" "ultra-portable" is a joke, unless the screen actually folds in half somehow.
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First of all, it just doesn't make sense that there'd be a Mac Book update sans Santa Rosa and LED... what else is there to update on that computer? This leads me to believe there will not be a Mac Book update until Apple is ready to do Santa Rosa or both.

Appleinsider claims then that the 13" LED displays are then headed for the sub notebook... I also must admit that is a much larger display than I would have thought the sub notebook would get, it could happen.

What I think makes the most sense and also hasn't been mentioned is the possibility of the 13" LED displays going to a 13" Mac Book Pro. This would make the MBP the first line to get LED which we all know has been confirmed, the MacBook can get the Santa Rosa update before the school season and keep the cheaper Cathode lit displays and the sub notebook is still so far from launch it almost seems silly to think we in the rumor community have already confirmed what screen it will use.
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In what's sure to be a warmly received move, people familiar with initiative tell AppleInsider that the Mac maker plans to go easy on our eyesight and is building the model around stunning, ultra-thin, 13-inch LED backlit display.

My first thought: in what universe does Apple think that a 13" widescreen classifies as an "ultra-portable?"

My second thought: at least it'll be lighter than the Macbook.
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the focus of ultraportable is the WEIGHT, not just the size.

wouldn't you rather have 13'' notebook that weighs in at 2.5lbs over 10'' notebook that weighs in at 2.5lbs (like Sony T series)?

You really don't understand the point of an ultra-portable computer, do you?

Edit: I would rather have a 13" notebook that weighs 2.5 lbs than a 13" notebook that weighs 5.2 lbs.
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You really don't understand the point of an ultra-portable computer, do you?

ultra portable = minimal everything. weight, size, etc...
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... I was discussing this with a friend recently, we held up that tiny Sony (11" widescreen) and we both remarked (at the same time);"the screen is too small".

You've spent too much time staring at your 20" iMac, and not enough time on trans-atlantic flights.
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