or Connect
AppleInsider › Forums › Mac Hardware › Future Apple Hardware › Next MacBook update a yawner; Ultra-portable to get 13-inch display
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Next MacBook update a yawner; Ultra-portable to get 13-inch display - Page 2

post #41 of 239
At the least there will be an external optical drive, but I doubt that. I guarantee the ultra portable will have an optical drive. Cmon how else are you going to buy a new OS, via an SD CARD????? Pleeese.
post #42 of 239
Quote:
Originally Posted by Denton View Post

You've spent too much time staring at your 20" iMac, and not enough time on trans-atlantic flights.

i don't understand why you guys want an ultra portable so bad though, i mean, any lap top can fit on your lap, that's why it's called a laptop, i mean no matter what size it is, if it fits on your lap it should be good enough, why would you want something that's so tiny and hard to work with when you could have a nice big screen and still be able to use it more comfortably.
MacBook Pro
2.2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
2GB 667 DDR2 SDRAM - 2x1GB
120GB Serial ATA Drive@5400rpm
SuperDrive 8x
15" Glossy Widescreen Display

with a wireless Apple keyboard

and

iPod Touch
8GB
Reply
MacBook Pro
2.2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
2GB 667 DDR2 SDRAM - 2x1GB
120GB Serial ATA Drive@5400rpm
SuperDrive 8x
15" Glossy Widescreen Display

with a wireless Apple keyboard

and

iPod Touch
8GB
Reply
post #43 of 239
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich-Myster View Post

i don't understand why you guys want an ultra portable so bad though, i mean, any lap top can fit on your lap, that's why it's called a laptop, i mean no matter what size it is, if it fits on your lap it should be good enough, why would you want something that's so tiny and hard to work with when you could have a nice big screen and still be able to use it more comfortably.

because it will be smaller and lighter for transportation (eg to and from work or abroad).

also it will fit on the small tables in flights and on trains better.

i actually like the idea of an external dvd drive and heres why:

i hardly ever use disks, most programs are downloaded (legally of course), so are my mp3's (again, its legal, honest!), the only thing i do use are dvd movies, and burning disks. if i move truly digital and rip all my dvd's to the hard drive, then it will all be inside and i will rarely need to use an optical drive.
post #44 of 239
Quote:
Originally Posted by Denton View Post

You've spent too much time staring at your 20" iMac, and not enough time on trans-atlantic flights.

Ireland has a point. The width footprint of display is not the issue, it's the meager height footprint resulting from the widescreen display format.
Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"
Reply
Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"
Reply
post #45 of 239
Woot!!!

In the last Article about this I posted a proposal in the thread centered around no moving parts... it apparently still has the HDD but no optical drive.

My Macbook is still fresh... I'll wait a couple of years and by then the HDD will be non existent and WiMax will be standard

Now I just need to know how powerful this thing is.

Sebastian
Þ & þ are called "Thorn" & þey represent þe sound you've associated "th" wiþ since þe 13þ or 14þ century. I'm bringing it back.
<(=_=)> (>=_=)> <(=_=<) ^(=_=^) (^=_=)^ ^(=_=)^ +(=_=)+
Reply
Þ & þ are called "Thorn" & þey represent þe sound you've associated "th" wiþ since þe 13þ or 14þ century. I'm bringing it back.
<(=_=)> (>=_=)> <(=_=<) ^(=_=^) (^=_=)^ ^(=_=)^ +(=_=)+
Reply
post #46 of 239
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich-Myster View Post

i mean, any lap top can fit on your lap, that's why it's called a laptop, i mean no matter what size it is, if it fits on your lap it should be good enough.

You obviously haven't seen those 21 inch, 10+ pound gaming notebooks.
Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"
Reply
Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"
Reply
post #47 of 239
Not interested in an ultra portable, we ben talking for weeks about SR.
ZZZZZZZZ
post #48 of 239
Can anyone estimate when the new Mac Book Pros will come out (for purchase)?
post #49 of 239
There's ultra-portable, and then there's ultra-portable - depending on your definition and expectations.

I just want something under 4 pounds, with an optical drive, ExpressCard slot and long battery life. The 13-inch Sony VAIO SZ Premium Notebooks have these and start from around 3.7 pounds with battery and would be ideal but it doesn't run OS X.

BTW, I'd hate to use a 12-inch widescreen running at 1366x768. The dots on the 13-inch at 1280x800 are small enough for me and a big enough area especially with Leopard's Spaces.

Doesn't matter if it's not the fastest on the block. My 5.5 pound PowerBook is a touch too heavy to carry around or for one hand to grip in the morning from the floor while I'm still lying in bed. Actually, that last point also is due to the metal surface as I have less issues with the black PowerBook G3 with the rubberised casing.
post #50 of 239
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich-Myster View Post

i don't understand why you guys want an ultra portable so bad though, i mean, any lap top can fit on your lap, that's why it's called a laptop, i mean no matter what size it is, if it fits on your lap it should be good enough, why would you want something that's so tiny and hard to work with when you could have a nice big screen and still be able to use it more comfortably.

I can't answer for everyone... but for me I just love good design. My Macbook is brilliant, but there are things like LED Backlit Displays, a Flash Drive (hopefully eventually replacing the HDD in all Laptops), and not having to (or very rarely anyways) plug a single wire in other than the power cord and not having that stupid optical drive I use so rarely anyways and could just as easily be plugged into an Airport Extreme if only Apple would provide a firmware upgrade, that just drive me crazy with excitement.

My own Macbook is brilliant in the following ways:
  1. iSight Built into the Bezel, allowing for funny Photo Booth photos I can use on Websites and Video Conferencing Out of the Box
  2. WiFi and Bluetooth EDR Built In
  3. Multi Touch Trackpad (sort of) where I can scroll by placing 2 fingers on the Trackpad for example
  4. Loaded with unbelievably useful Software like Image Capture that automatically opens up iPhoto and imports my Photos the second I plug my Camera in
  5. System Functions are built into the Function Keys, F1 to F5, that control Brightness and Volume, and the Eject key is next to F12
  6. The Amazing Mac OS X is loaded and powering my Macbook, with more excellent software like Dashboard
  7. Bonjour: I have an Airport Express, a Printer, and some Speakers. I plan to add an Airport Extreme to this for faster connection speeds and Airdisk support, but I love being able to control my Speakers from my Macbook in another room, and not having to plug that damn printer in (unless I need to scan something, for the next update, Add External Optical Drives and Scanners -_-)
  8. The Printer Utility and Network Preference Pane, these 2 are underappreciated but they are still damn good. Other than my Apartment, I have my Macbook configured to work with several other networks so when I open up my Macbook, 60 seconds later I'm on the Network depending on where I am, and some of them have Networked printers
  9. The Apple Remote and Front Row. My Daily Destination just to watch my Video Podcasts and the last place I visit every night
  10. .Mac: mainly due to Ad Free Email + WebDAV (iDisk) and syncing. This saved me after the first HDD in my Macbook met a nasty end I'd rather not talk about

Now imagine something even more environmentally friendly than it already is (as LED is compared to LCD ) smaller than my Macbook, no Moving Parts, relies on WebDAV + a WiFi local network and with WiMax with a minimal performance tradeoff. This is the computer I hope Apple eventually ends up making.

Sebastian
Þ & þ are called "Thorn" & þey represent þe sound you've associated "th" wiþ since þe 13þ or 14þ century. I'm bringing it back.
<(=_=)> (>=_=)> <(=_=<) ^(=_=^) (^=_=)^ ^(=_=)^ +(=_=)+
Reply
Þ & þ are called "Thorn" & þey represent þe sound you've associated "th" wiþ since þe 13þ or 14þ century. I'm bringing it back.
<(=_=)> (>=_=)> <(=_=<) ^(=_=^) (^=_=)^ ^(=_=)^ +(=_=)+
Reply
post #51 of 239
I think the MBP will be out soon, between Tuesday, May 15 and June 11. The question I have that no rumor site seems to have a clue about is will the new MBP have onboard flash (Robson, Turbo Memory).

As for the MacBook, there's no earthly reason why it wouldn't make good use of the new Centrino Duo platform. Let it keep its case and its display but let it have the x3000 graphics. Might as well let it have some good graphics capability to help Leopard shine.

The thin MB could be the first Mac to use the smaller Penryn chips if it isn't coming out until the end of this year or early next. It might not be all flash but could use a 1.8" HDD in addition to some amount of flash.

My vote for a case would be hard-coated anodized aluminum.
post #52 of 239
I don't know which is a better move for Apple.

If Apple don't use SR in the MB then in an instant, they can't compete on a price/performance ratio with consumer level PC laptops. That is the single thing I hear most from PC users. Macs are too expensive. What advantage does a Mac have if a user is comfortable with Windows and can get a cheaper and faster PC? Currently, they are only a little more expensive and the extras as well as being able to use OS X are enough to make up for the difference.

On the other hand, as mentioned, it makes the MBP seem worth the extra money (which until now it really hasn't) if it has SR and the MB doesn't. Although the MB needs it more because of the graphics performance, this may be exactly the reason Apple won't update it. Doing so would make the MBP even less appealling.

Is it better trying to push more MBPs or get more possible switchers?

I still maintain the simple solution is to scrap the whole MB vs MBP deal and make one lineup with BTO options and keep the components up to date. This way they simplify the options for buyers in that people don't constantly have to look in two categories, they give the consumer more choice so they know what they are paying for and they can still compete well with PCs.

I actually don't mind much if the Mini doesn't get Santa Rosa but for f*ck's sake, Core 2 Duo CPUs have been out for ages and they just need to drop them in at zero extra cost.

I'm looking forward to the iMac redesign though. Of course if they drop the 17" and the 20" is still at the same price, Apple will be making some serious mistakes because they will have no product to cover probably the biggest market that they like to pretend doesn't exist.

As for the ultra-portable, I don't see it as a strong market. I don't think I have enough Mac users say they want such a small machine. Nearly everyone says they want the equivalent of the 12" powerbook back. It was light (more so than the Macbook), it had an optical drive and it was compact, yet it was still a very capable machine.
post #53 of 239
I can't see Apple making any computer with a non standard size keyboard, no matter how much some of you want an "ultra portable." If Apple uses a 13" wide screen with a very thin bezel, the case would be pretty small and could still contain a standard keyboard. I doubt we'll see anything smaller. Such a computer would be fine replacement for the 12" PowerBook and would satisfy 98% of those wanting a tiny travel portable. If you really can't figure out how to use such a thing on a plane or train, buy an iPhone.
post #54 of 239
They don't need a really thin bezel. The 12" PB already has a full-size keyboard. A 13" widescreen would have a lot more width to play with. The Macbook just has an outrageously wide bezel, that's all. And as for Apple not using a mini keyboard, they did do so once upon a time. See the Powerbook 2400.

If people are complaining that a widescreen 11" LCD would not be tall enough, how about thinking different? Apple should bring it out with a detachable display that can be used in portrait mode as well as landscape mode. Just like that other Apple gadget. What was it, iPhone or something?
post #55 of 239
Quote:
Originally Posted by Denton View Post

You've spent too much time staring at your 20" iMac, and not enough time on trans-atlantic flights.

The day you can't carry around a 3/4" 2Lbs 13.3" LED MacBook (without an optical drive) is the day you should get a Zimmer-frame®
Citing unnamed sources with limited but direct knowledge of a rumoured device - Comedy Insider (Feb 2014)
Reply
Citing unnamed sources with limited but direct knowledge of a rumoured device - Comedy Insider (Feb 2014)
Reply
post #56 of 239
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kolchak View Post

They don't need a really thin bezel. The 12" PB already has a full-size keyboard. A 13" widescreen would have a lot more width to play with.

You're right. In the interest of making it as small as possible while still using a standard keyboard...with a very thin bezel, a 13" portable could be 1.5 inches smaller in each dimension than the MacBook. It would be roughly the size of the 12" PowerBook. If it was also much thinner and lighter than the MacBook it would be an awesome portable Mac.
post #57 of 239
Quote:
Originally Posted by Slewis

Loaded with unbelievably useful Software like Image Capture that automatically opens up iPhoto and imports my Photos the second I plug my Camera in.

You'll find image capture isn't what does that, fanboy.
Citing unnamed sources with limited but direct knowledge of a rumoured device - Comedy Insider (Feb 2014)
Reply
Citing unnamed sources with limited but direct knowledge of a rumoured device - Comedy Insider (Feb 2014)
Reply
post #58 of 239
I don't quite understand what the rationale would be in keeping Santa Rosa away from the MB line, other than possibly slurping up the older chipset more cheaply. Similarly, rushing it into the MBPs seems to offer very modest improvements - a faster FSB is good, certainly, but not much of an incentive to rush out and buy one.

Has there been any word on what the next MBPs might use in the GPU department? Perhaps a 512MB VRAM option as well?
post #59 of 239
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ireland View Post

You'll find image capture isn't what does that, fanboy.

Actually Image Capture is the one that opens up iPhoto, iPhoto does the importing though.



EDIT: I guess I should explain more...

The reason I made a bigger deal out of Image Capture than say, iLife is because it's the Applications and Utilities like Image Capture, Printer Setup Utility, and the Network Preference Pane that provide more OS level functionality making things stupidly easy. When I plug in my Camera, Image Capture opens up iPhoto for me and Importing is just a click away.

Sebastian
Þ & þ are called "Thorn" & þey represent þe sound you've associated "th" wiþ since þe 13þ or 14þ century. I'm bringing it back.
<(=_=)> (>=_=)> <(=_=<) ^(=_=^) (^=_=)^ ^(=_=)^ +(=_=)+
Reply
Þ & þ are called "Thorn" & þey represent þe sound you've associated "th" wiþ since þe 13þ or 14þ century. I'm bringing it back.
<(=_=)> (>=_=)> <(=_=<) ^(=_=^) (^=_=)^ ^(=_=)^ +(=_=)+
Reply
post #60 of 239
ThinkSecret seems to be disagreeing with AI's take on whether or not Santa Rosa will show up in the MacBook rev (though they do agree that LED displays on MBs won't be happening soon):

Details of the MacBook update are less known, although there is a strong possibility that the laptop will also take advantage of Santa Rosa, which can be configured with Core 2 Duo processors at speeds of 1.8GHz, 2.0GHz, 2.2GHz, and 2.4GHz. The faster speeds will almost certainly be reserved for the MacBook Pro. More significant for MacBook owners is the faster Intel GMA 3000 graphics processor that Apple will be able to use, delivering improved graphics performance.

The MacBook will not employ newer LED backlight displays; that upgrade will need to wait until the next revision.


http://www.thinksecret.com

Hope they're right. \

.
Cut-copy-paste, MMS, landscape keyboard, video-recording, voice-calling, and more... FINALLY
To the 'We Didn't Need It' Crowd/Apple Apologista Squad : Wrong again, lol
Thanks for listening to your...
Reply
Cut-copy-paste, MMS, landscape keyboard, video-recording, voice-calling, and more... FINALLY
To the 'We Didn't Need It' Crowd/Apple Apologista Squad : Wrong again, lol
Thanks for listening to your...
Reply
post #61 of 239
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marvin View Post

As for the ultra-portable, I don't see it as a strong market. I don't think I have enough Mac users say they want such a small machine. .

Its much more of a factor in the Japanese market, where ultraportables are quite popular.

.
Cut-copy-paste, MMS, landscape keyboard, video-recording, voice-calling, and more... FINALLY
To the 'We Didn't Need It' Crowd/Apple Apologista Squad : Wrong again, lol
Thanks for listening to your...
Reply
Cut-copy-paste, MMS, landscape keyboard, video-recording, voice-calling, and more... FINALLY
To the 'We Didn't Need It' Crowd/Apple Apologista Squad : Wrong again, lol
Thanks for listening to your...
Reply
post #62 of 239
I have no need for a portable, but if a lightweight model came out, I might get one anyway.
post #63 of 239
Quote:
Originally Posted by hmurchison View Post

I don't believe that portion of the article at all. Santa Rosa doesn't appear to be more expensive than Napa. I just checked out the HP DV2500 model. Santa Rosa, X3100 graphics and new T7xxx core2 chips.

I don't know who provided the information but why would Apple attempt to deliver Napa product vs Santa Rose (which will win any graphics battle) for some silly differentiation. The differentiation between MB and MBP is discrete graphics and other step up features. Plus you have Robson options now as yet another differentiator.

MB is going to be Santa Rosa. Apple isn't stupid enough to try and sell a platform that's been replaced.

i second that, there is NO reason not to upgrade MBs to SR, it is cheaper better in L2 Cache, Graphics. Its just a natural upgrade path nothing fanstastic but a Must. Otherwise everyone will say Apple using last batch of Cpus compared to Dell, IBM and HP.

Nov '09 | iMac 21.5" C2D 3.06 Ghz | Intel 330 240GB SSD | ATI

Sep '12| Toshiba 14" 1366 x 768! | i5 3rd Gen 6GB| Intel x25-m 120GB SSD | Win 7|  Viewsonic VX2255wmb 22" LCD
iPhone 4S| iPad 2 wifi

Reply

Nov '09 | iMac 21.5" C2D 3.06 Ghz | Intel 330 240GB SSD | ATI

Sep '12| Toshiba 14" 1366 x 768! | i5 3rd Gen 6GB| Intel x25-m 120GB SSD | Win 7|  Viewsonic VX2255wmb 22" LCD
iPhone 4S| iPad 2 wifi

Reply
post #64 of 239
Quote:
Originally Posted by psilo View Post

What I think makes the most sense and also hasn't been mentioned is the possibility of the 13" LED displays going to a 13" Mac Book Pro. This would make the MBP the first line to get LED which we all know has been confirmed, the MacBook can get the Santa Rosa update before the school season and keep the cheaper Cathode lit displays and the sub notebook is still so far from launch it almost seems silly to think we in the rumor community have already confirmed what screen it will use.

My thoughts entirely.
MATTE MATTERS
Reply
MATTE MATTERS
Reply
post #65 of 239
16GB?? It should have AT LEAST 64GB! First you have to have, what- like 10-15GB for Leopard and Mac software like iLife. Then you need a few gigs for photos and few gigs for music. And what about a few gigs for video files? Who would buy a computer which can`t fit anything?
post #66 of 239
I think we haven't seen the true benefits of a scalable Mac OS yet.

I'm guessing that it's a sealed 13 tablet 'appliance' that won't run third party software. It will run iWork and iLife applications but nothing else. You'll be able to email and surf the net whilst you're out and about, but you won't be running CS3 on it.

All the apps and the OS will reside in silicon rather than on a platter. Think iPhone without the phone, and a reasonably sized screen that'll allow you to play around in spreadsheets etc.

It might even get a new name and not even be referred to as a Macintosh at all...
OK, can I have my matte Apple display, now?
Reply
OK, can I have my matte Apple display, now?
Reply
post #67 of 239
Too many people with upgradeitis. It's fun to see what's coming up but man, some people do that as soon as they buy their current mac! It's not like the current macs are trash. And for those perpetually holding out: get what you want if you could use it and just enjoy it. There will ALWAYS be something new coming out so unless there is MAJOR overhaul around the corner just buy what you want and stop being so hung up on what's the newest thing out there.


The current macbook is very, very sweet. I love mine. Plan to keep it until the extended Apple Care warranty runs out. Being it's midcycle, the bugs are out. And it's great to get something that's not first run cause first run always has problems. I would not even consider being the first in line to get the new LED screens.
post #68 of 239
Quote:
I'm guessing that it's a sealed 13 tablet 'appliance' that won't run third party software. It will run iWork and iLife applications but nothing else. You'll be able to email and surf the net whilst you're out and about, but you won't be running CS3 on it.

OK, I think this is really stupid. This new portable should have almost everything that other laptops have. I should be like a Macbook, but thinner, lighter, no optical disk, no HDD - but HHD. I think that the NAND flash memory isn`t enough for all data. LED of course.
There are a few ultra portable notebooks out there (http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-3121_7-6255737-1.html) and they are more similar to laptops than pocket PCs. What Messiah described is more like a pocket pc and you can`t do much on them, even if they have 13 inch screen and iLife. Oh come on, even old pocket pcs allow 3rd party software, and you say this product wouldn`t allow it? haha..very useful.
post #69 of 239
The latest rumours of the mac update aren't all that exciting, but it is nice to hear a refresh of the set, line, and computers. Hopefully intel speeds up development for their next chip-set release and those can be out for the holiday season. Either way, Apple laptops are gaining speed both in the markets and in the front side bus.

Don't forget to call your mum!

ThunkDifferent.

post #70 of 239
sorry, i didn't read all the replies, but i am wondering how they will make the apple logo light up with the LED backlight screens?

and i still think an optical drive is needed for a laptop!!
post #71 of 239
Quote:
Originally Posted by BMWintoxication View Post

sorry, i didn't read all the replies, but i am wondering how they will make the apple logo light up with the LED backlight screens?

and i still think an optical drive is needed for a laptop!!

I would be OK with the external optical drive included or with the bottom-loading optical drive. I don`t mind flipping the notebook to put a DVD inside once in a while.
http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/26/a...optical-drive/
post #72 of 239
Quote:
Originally Posted by shanmugam View Post

MacBook Mini on its way,

my guess Storage will be on Flash Memory 16GB, with out support for Bootcamp and Vista dual booting. 16 GB is more than sufficient for lightweight travel note book with OS X.

The stock install of Tiger on MBP is about 30GB. If you take out iLife, iWork demo, photobooth, and a lot of the pre-installed third party software, remove built-in printer drivers, all the extra languages you don't need, you might hit 16GB. OS X wants another 15% free space, and that still leaves you with no space for files or apps of any value.

Quote:
Originally Posted by aaarrrgggh View Post

To me, an ultraportable is a computer you can use in Economy on the plane, on a bus or train, or half-sitting against a wall. It also needs very high resolution to make up for the loss in display area.

Quote:
Originally Posted by aplnub View Post

The 10". I want a 10" not a 13". I actually fly on planes in economy class unlike haveing my own private jet.

I've used a 14" notebook in economy class several times without trouble.

Quote:
Originally Posted by DiverDown View Post

At the least there will be an external optical drive, but I doubt that. I guarantee the ultra portable will have an optical drive. Cmon how else are you going to buy a new OS, via an SD CARD????? Pleeese.

If it's like Apple's first ultraportable, and several competing units, an external optical drive would be included. I am skeptical, I still would like an internal optical drive. Sony's TX does and it's still small and light.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich-Myster View Post

i don't understand why you guys want an ultra portable so bad though, i mean, any lap top can fit on your lap, that's why it's called a laptop,

"laptop" is only an informal term.

I want an ultraportable because of the battery life and low heat signature. I've seen one models claim 12 hour battery life if you get the larger battery, and it is STILL not much more than 3lb.

Quote:
Originally Posted by TBaggins View Post

ThinkSecret seems to be disagreeing with AI's take on whether or not Santa Rosa will

...

Hope they're right. \

That would be nice, but in reality, I would bet against TS because I don't think they have been right about anything in the last two years. Most notably, they were stubborn about their prediction of Aperture's death, and when AI predicted the new Shuffle colors the next day, ThinkSecret predicted monitor updates for that day instead, colored Shuffles it was. Final Cut Extreme still doesn't exist, neither does the $10k Mac Pro, despite their assertion that they would be announced in April 2006.
post #73 of 239
Lordy I'm glad I stopped playing the "wait to see what's coming" game. I'm loving my MBP, but really wanted a 12" MBP. I thought it will come, but it seems like it's not going to happen for a while.


^LOL@12 hour battery life. I'd love to see that link.
post #74 of 239
Quote:
Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


As it stands, the MacBook remains the most rigorously-redesigned Mac system to break free from Apple's industrial design labs in recent years -- an accolade it will soon surrender to a pair of radically restructured 20- and 24-inch iMacs.

Has this gone unoticed in the thread?

BTW first post :P so happy
post #75 of 239
Quote:
Originally Posted by syklee26 View Post

the focus of ultraportable is the WEIGHT, not just the size.

It's BOTH.

Quote:
Originally Posted by syklee26 View Post

wouldn't you rather have 13'' notebook that weighs in at 2.5lbs over 10'' notebook that weighs in at 2.5lbs (like Sony T series)?

10" without a doubt. An ultraportable has to be small and robust. If they make a 2.5lb thin 13" I'd probably snap it or bend it and there's already a 13" MacBook anyway that isn't exactly heavy. If I'm away from my desktop then size matters as I've only got so much room in my bags.

Apart from that, ask any Japanese laptop buyer what they want and it's small size. That's what Apple needs to stop it's decline in Japan.

Personally, I'm still hankering after an OQO but AFAIK nobody has managed to get OSX on it yet.
post #76 of 239
Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

The stock install of Tiger on MBP is about 30GB. If you take out iLife, iWork demo, photobooth, and a lot of the pre-installed third party software, remove built-in printer drivers, all the extra languages you don't need, you might hit 16GB. OS X wants another 15% free space, and that still leaves you with no space for files or apps of any value.

More like 4GB actually. I was running it just fine on a 500Mhz iBook with a stock 10GB drive up until a few months ago when 80GB drives dropped enough in price to upgrade the iBook. I had OSX, iLife (minus iDVD, iWeb and Garageband), iWork (minus the huge demo videos), MS Office and a bunch of other stuff all on a 10GB drive with about 1GB spare. You just have to be careful which things to install and not load in the demos.

You can then gain back 500MB or so dumping foreign languages using Monoligual and dumping fonts and drivers.

A 32GB Flash drived OQO running OSX is my dream ultraportable. 13" screen? - ultra-meh!
post #77 of 239
If this is lighter than the old 12" and runs Windows in Parallels/VM Ware then I need to know no more before buying this! /Jerry
post #78 of 239
Quote:
Originally Posted by iDave View Post

You're right. In the interest of making it as small as possible while still using a standard keyboard...with a very thin bezel, a 13" portable could be 1.5 inches smaller in each dimension than the MacBook. It would be roughly the size of the 12" PowerBook.

It'd have to be a very narrow bezel indeed. Does anyone make an LCD panel with a 1/8" bezel? I can't remember just how much clearance there was around my 12" PB panel when I disassembled it.
post #79 of 239
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kolchak View Post

It'd have to be a very narrow bezel indeed. Does anyone make an LCD panel with a 1/8" bezel? I can't remember just how much clearance there was around my 12" PB panel when I disassembled it.

I have no idea, but these new LED displays may not need much of a bezel around them. I've always thought the border around the MacBook screen was a bit too much. But I always guessed it was cheaper to make that way.
post #80 of 239
I had a 15" Powerbook, then a 12" iBook. The 15" was far too big to use on some of the tiny desks of my school's auditoriums. It was far too big to use on a bus. It was far too big to use on an airplane (well, you could watch movies or something but the screen didn't fit open once you had it in your lap in a good position for typing). It didn't fit on the small tables on trains either.

Anyone who says 15" does it all has never tried to really use their laptops on the go for work. That, or they fly business class. I think 15" is about the upper limit even if your "mobile spaces" are on the large side.

Something like a 1.5kg 12" widescreen at 1280x800 (slightly smaller and lighter than the iBook) would be perfect for me. I'd prefer no optical drive (removing that goes pretty far on the way to 1.5kg), but I don't think Apple will come out with a computer without one built in. This would obviously have integrated graphics, but if it was Santa Rosa it would still be a decent upgrade from the iBook.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Future Apple Hardware
AppleInsider › Forums › Mac Hardware › Future Apple Hardware › Next MacBook update a yawner; Ultra-portable to get 13-inch display