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post #1 of 248
1/7/03 at 12:29pm
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So far after using it a little I seem to like it. It's fast (Chimera's still a drop faster though), the Brushed Metal isn't as bad as I thought it'd be, the Google Integration's cool and everything else seems good. The one thing I'm pissed about is that it doesn't have tabs and because of that I'll probably stick to Chimera.

What do you guys think?
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post #2 of 248
1/7/03 at 12:31pm
I'm shocked Apple rolled their own. :eek:
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post #3 of 248
1/7/03 at 12:31pm
I'm loving Safari. It's now my default browser and I don't think I could ever go back to Chimera (which was always buggy and most times wouldn't even open on my Pismo) or IE.
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post #4 of 248
1/7/03 at 12:31pm
it crash on my computer...
and it doesn't pop up a window to rename a website...
ok...let me try again
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post #5 of 248
1/7/03 at 12:32pm
Safari is faster then chimera, especailly on back caches. I love it. Needs a few tweaks (print button, download open/save dialog, autofill and killing pop up windows that aren't called from a link only) tabs would be cool but not totally necessary. Overall, very, very pleased with it. It's like Chimera with spell check!!

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post #6 of 248
1/7/03 at 12:32pm
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[quote]Originally posted by Fran441:
<strong>I'm loving Safari. It's now my default browser and I don't think I could ever go back to Chimera (which was always buggy and most times wouldn't even open on my Pismo) or IE.</strong><hr></blockquote>
You really had that many problems with Chimera? Ever since .6 came out I hadn't had any problems with any sites.
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post #7 of 248
1/7/03 at 12:33pm
Even as a beta it seems to be the best browser around. Much better than iCab, IE, or anything else out there. Tabbed browsing would be nice, but I don't miss not having it. You can have sub menus in the bookmarks bar, which very nice.
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post #8 of 248
1/7/03 at 12:36pm
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One thing I noticed just now was that it doesn't save the window placement. I had quit Safari and re-opened it and the Window positioning was screwed up.
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post #9 of 248
1/7/03 at 12:38pm
Also love the history. Like IE. So now IE doesn't have much over safari other than autofill and a download manager with open/save dialogs and a print button. Seems spell check has to be enabled every launch.
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post #10 of 248
1/7/03 at 12:39pm
Safari seems about as fast as Chimera to me, but it's missing two key features: tabs (as mentioned above), and more importantly, Keychain intergration. I have come to rely on Chimera's keychain access, and it seems silly that Apple's own browser is missing it.

Oh, and right/control-clicking should bring up more options, like back, forward, etc.

I'll be emailing Apple about these, I hope other people will do the same.
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post #11 of 248
1/7/03 at 12:40pm
I'm in love with the Bookmark management although it feels a bit scattered (collections vs. the menu vs. the bar).

I'm surprised that they didn't utilize the drawer like Chimera does.

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post #12 of 248
1/7/03 at 12:41pm
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Good point, vas. I totally forgot about how much I liked the Keychain integration in Chimera.
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post #13 of 248
1/7/03 at 12:44pm
ie just got dropped in the trash.
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no. english is not my native language.
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post #14 of 248
1/7/03 at 12:45pm
I also couldn't find the change name of URL menu. Anyone know how to access it. Also as far as I can tell I can't transfer my bookmarks from I.E. Again, any suggestions. This is a Beta of course and there are some things missing that will eventually addressed. I like it. Typeface is very crisp on sites I previously thought were fine on IE. Great name too.
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post #15 of 248
1/7/03 at 12:45pm
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My initial thoughts about Safari (beta v84):

* I cannot stand the brushed metal look. Yeuck!
* it is slightly faster than Chimera (01/06 build) on my iBook/500/320
* I am pleasantly surprised that it blocks pop-ups
* Bookmarks management is no good until I can import my Chimera bookmarks
* don't really care about the lack of tabs

I'm sticking with Chimera for now. But there's a good chance I'll switch when Safari 1.0 hits the street.

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1/7/03 at 12:46pm
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post #17 of 248
1/7/03 at 12:47pm
[quote]Originally posted by Escher:
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* Bookmarks management is no good until I can import my Chimera bookmarks
</strong><hr></blockquote>


I don't know about Chimera but Safari imported my IE bookmarks without me doing a thing. They were just there.
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post #18 of 248
1/7/03 at 12:48pm
[quote]Originally posted by Escher:
<strong>My initial thoughts about Safari (beta v84):

* I cannot stand the brushed metal look. Yeuck!
* it is slightly faster than Chimera (01/06 build) on my iBook/500/320
* I am pleasantly surprised that it blocks pop-ups
* Bookmarks management is no good until I can import my Chimera bookmarks
* don't really care about the lack of tabs

I'm sticking with Chimera for now. But there's a good chance I'll switch when Safari 1.0 hits the street.

Escher</strong><hr></blockquote>

For chimera bookmarks, remember this is iTunes for the web. Drag each bookmark over and put them whereever you want. You can't do more then one but it's a simple drag and drop into the bookmarks menu.

It blocks ALL pop ups tho I hope they allow linked pop ups in the future along with a few other options.
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post #19 of 248
1/7/03 at 12:48pm
I love it.

Brushed metal looks GREAT IMHO, I like the bookmark management (i was toying with ToolBars in IE--I like this better), it is faster than IE for me (I never really used Chimera). This is my default browser now, no doubts. EXCELLENT job, Apple!
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post #20 of 248
1/7/03 at 12:50pm
[quote]Originally posted by MacsRGood4U:
<strong> Also as far as I can tell I can't transfer my bookmarks from I.E. </strong><hr></blockquote>

My Explorer favorites were automatically imported by Safari. Look at the bottom of the bookmark window.
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post #21 of 248
1/7/03 at 12:50pm
[quote]Originally posted by AirSluf:
<strong>Are there some Apple shennanigans going on in Safari???

I havent been able to load MOSR or ThinkSecret at all, although both work just fine in OW 4.1.1 literally side by side. Safari just gives an unable to load page for 30 seconds sheet and ceases trying.

It also doesn't FULLY subscribe to the spelling service which I consider a major flaw even in Beta status as service integration isn't that difficult, especially for the homegrown services. You can access the Spelling service through the contextual menu, but we already know it should be properly available without the CM in a properly written Cocoa app. Well bug report to be submitted.

I do like the speed though. Has anyone figured out how to painlessly import OW bookmarks?

[ 01-07-2003: Message edited by: AirSluf ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

As with Chimera, try to open OW's bookmarks and drag them over into the bookmark well as you would mp3s into iTunes. Worked for me on Chimera.
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post #22 of 248
1/7/03 at 12:51pm
I'm sorry, but Safari kicks ass, plain and simple.....IE, Chimera, and Opera are all in the Trash.....
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post #23 of 248
1/7/03 at 12:52pm
Wow..my imac800 is fast at browsing!
Feel sorry for the guys at Omni but Safari is miles superior. IE is not going to be used anymore either after sfari handled even barclays online banking many times faster.
Renders beautifully on every site I've been to.

Best MW in ages.
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post #24 of 248
1/7/03 at 12:58pm
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[quote]Originally posted by murk:
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My Explorer favorites were automatically imported by Safari. Look at the bottom of the bookmark window.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Mine were too.
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post #25 of 248
1/7/03 at 1:01pm
Thanks guys found the IE Bookmarks list and the change url name! Just had to login again. I like it.

[ 01-07-2003: Message edited by: MacsRGood4U ]</p>
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post #26 of 248
1/7/03 at 1:43pm
I also wish that when you clicked the address bar it would highlight the whole address so you can type a new one without either triple clicking or backspacing to erase the old address before enter the new one. This make sense?
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post #27 of 248
1/7/03 at 2:08pm
I second that. Another thing I noticed: there's no shortcut for window cycling, that really annoys me, I use it all the time in IE.

Otherwise: Great app, great keynote!!!
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post #28 of 248
1/7/03 at 2:12pm
[quote]Originally posted by Richard:
<strong>I second that. Another thing I noticed: there's no shortcut for window cycling, that really annoys me, I use it all the time in IE.
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Command-tilde
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post #29 of 248
1/7/03 at 2:12pm
Liked it but still need work. It needs IE's autofill and Chimera's Keychain access. If it gets those, we'll see.
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post #30 of 248
1/7/03 at 2:14pm
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[quote]Originally posted by KidRed:
<strong>For chimera bookmarks, remember this is iTunes for the web. Drag each bookmark over and put them whereever you want. You can't do more then one but it's a simple drag and drop into the bookmarks menu.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Thanks for the tip, KidRed. I obviously haven't spent enough time with the brushed metal generation of apps.

I was trying to figure out why Safari didn't import my IE bookmarks. Then I realized that I no longer have IE bookmarks because I never use IE anymore. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />

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post #31 of 248
1/7/03 at 2:17pm
If you have a small to medium number of bookmarks, dragging each is fine, but I'm a bit of an archivist so I have many bookmarks.

I really, really miss tabbed browsing.

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post #32 of 248
1/7/03 at 2:20pm
[quote]Originally posted by IToldYouSo:
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Command-tilde</strong><hr></blockquote>

Hmm.... I thought so, too, first, 'cause it's the same in IE, and that works there, too, for me. BUT: I'm using Swiss keylayout, and in IE Command-Option-n (to get tilde) works, but not so in Safari. In Safari this shortcut creates a new folder for bookmarks... Any ideas?
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post #33 of 248
1/7/03 at 2:22pm
[quote]Originally posted by cylon:
<strong>Liked it but still need work. It needs IE's autofill and Chimera's Keychain access. If it gets those, we'll see.</strong><hr></blockquote>

It has keychain access. So it;s only missing autofill, downlaod manager with open/save dialog, better spell check, and let linked pop up windows open. Otherwsie, it rocks!
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post #34 of 248
1/7/03 at 2:27pm
[quote]Originally posted by Richard:
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Hmm.... I thought so, too, first, 'cause it's the same in IE, and that works there, too, for me. BUT: I'm using Swiss keylayout, and in IE Command-Option-n (to get tilde) works, but not so in Safari. In Safari this shortcut creates a new folder for bookmarks... Any ideas?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Use the same shortcut as in the rest of Mac OS X: Cmd-&lt; (Cmd-&gt; cycles the other way).
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post #35 of 248
1/7/03 at 2:28pm
[quote]Originally posted by Orthodoc:
<strong>I also wish that when you clicked the address bar it would highlight the whole address so you can type a new one without either triple clicking or backspacing to erase the old address before enter the new one. This make sense?</strong><hr></blockquote>

It does. Just click on the icon next to the URL. It highlights the whole thing. Is that what you were lookin' for?
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post #36 of 248
1/7/03 at 2:28pm
i hope these are all suggestions to final versions, sounds like complaints that it doent have, just a reminder this is beta...hope apple is reading this...GOOD JOB
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post #37 of 248
1/7/03 at 2:29pm
Let's remember it's a beta of a Rev 1.0 product!

I'm using it to view all of the forum activity here at AI, just cause it moves like a raped ape even on dial-up. I like the fact that it's so simple, and can't help but feel that its design principles are founded on a future destiny of being used in something smaller and tablet-like.

Can you imagine what this will be like by the time release 3.0 evolves. More functionality + this rendering speed = Yummmy!
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post #38 of 248
1/7/03 at 3:16pm
[quote]Originally posted by JLL:
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Use the same shortcut as in the rest of Mac OS X: Cmd-&lt; (Cmd-&gt; cycles the other way).</strong><hr></blockquote>


YES! Thanks, works great and it's a really convenient one-handed one.
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post #39 of 248
1/7/03 at 3:19pm
I totally dig it! It is fast for me and it even works with certain heavy sites that would kill IE.

I like certain things from Chimera but this is a great product with serious hope for the future.

Great work to the developers over at Apple.
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post #40 of 248
1/7/03 at 3:20pm
[quote]Originally posted by KidRed:
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It has keychain access. So it;s only missing autofill, downlaod manager with open/save dialog, better spell check, and let linked pop up windows open. Otherwsie, it rocks!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Can you describe how you got keychain access to work? Maybe I'm blind, but I'm missing it...
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