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Evangelist Jerry Falwell has passed away at 73.

While I'm sure this development will stir vigorous debate on his legacy (and has already unleashed vitriolic responses on the newspaper forums) Falwell had a profound impact on his generation, built some amazing educational institutions and, of course, was never afraid of a TV camera.

My sympathies to his family, his church and those who served with him.
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post #2 of 128
Peace be to the Reverend and his family. Godspeed.
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post #3 of 128
Good riddance.

The world is a better place without hate-mongers like him.

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post #4 of 128
I agree, Falwell contributed nothing but strife.

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Enjoy your dirt-nap.
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Unfortunate for him and his family of course, I would never wish death on anyone; but his public facade was one of extreme fundamentalism and intolerance, hence I won't be shedding any tears...
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post #7 of 128
Fuck him.

And I bet his family are all winning personalities too.
post #8 of 128
Overheard on kos:
In an interview just last week, Falwell said he stands by his statements after 9/11, blaming "abortionists," gays, lesbians, the ACLU and People for American Way for helping to cause the attacks.

In the same interview, (last week) he said he is asking God to grant him at least 20 more years of life in order to complete his mission. He cited a story in which a man on his deathbed, asked God for 15 more years and received it. Falwell was encouraged by this story, hinting that God is willing to intercede in death, granting renewed life for a blessed few who are righteous enough to deserve such. Falwell hopeful that God would be as impressed and generous with his own request.

I guess God gave him his answer!
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Good riddance.

... and those of us on the right are called hate-filled and cold-hearted. Congrats for being the first one (and I am sure of many) to dance on a man's grave for political reasons. Nice touch. I guess that "compassion" thing is only good for when we need to guilt someone else into thinking like we do.



Regardless of his politics (that often made me cringe and yell at the TV in anger) he was a human being worthy of the smallest amount of respect in death. You have years, until your own personal demise, Shawn, to review the legacy of this particular man. I know in your huge liberal heart that you do not really mean that cold-hearted "good riddance."
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post #10 of 128
Compassion for him?

No. Absolutely fucking not.

For his family... well ok, maybe a little.

He was an asshat and will hopefully always be remembered as an asshat.
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Overheard on kos:
In an interview just last week, Falwell said he stands by his statements after 9/11, blaming "abortionists," gays, lesbians, the ACLU and People for American Way for helping to cause the attacks.

In the same interview, (last week) he said he is asking God to grant him at least 20 more years of life in order to complete his mission. He cited a story in which a man on his deathbed, asked God for 15 more years and received it. Falwell was encouraged by this story, hinting that God is willing to intercede in death, granting renewed life for a blessed few who are righteous enough to deserve such. Falwell hopeful that God would be as impressed and generous with his own request.

I guess God gave him his answer!

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post #12 of 128
Wow this thread is seething with hate.

What would ever bring that about?

I have good memories of Jerry Falwell. The days when my friends and I would go to the Dead Kennedys show and sing along with Jello. Good times....

"Moral Majority"

You call yourself the Moral Majority
We call ourselves the people in the real world
Trying to rub us out, but we're going to survive
God must be dead if you're alive

You say, 'God loves you. Come and buy the Good News'
Then you buy the president and swimming pools
If Jesus don't save 'til we're lining your pockets
God must be dead if you're alive

Circus-tent con-men and Southern belle bunnies
Milk your emotions then they steal your money
It's the new dark ages with the fascists toting bibles
Cheap nostalgia for the Salem Witch Trials

Stodgy ayatollahs in their double-knit ties
Burn lots of books so they can feed you their lies
Masturbating with a flag and a bible
God must be dead if you're alive

Blow it out your ass, Jerry Falwell
Blow it out your ass, Jesse Helms
Blow it out your ass, Ronald Reagan
What's wrong with a mind of my own?

You don't want abortions, you want battered children
You want to ban the pill as if that solves the problem
Now you wanna force us to pray in school
God must be dead if you're such a fool

You're planning for a war with or without Iran
Building a police state with the Ku Klux Klan
Pissed at your neighbor? Don't bother to nag
Pick up the phone and turn in a fag

Blow it out your ass, Terry Dolan
Blow it out your ass, Phyllis Schlafly
Ram it up your cunt, Anita
Cos God must be dead
If you're alive
God must be dead
If you're alive

Goodnight funny-man. Goodnight.
post #13 of 128
Hater

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In the clip, which the band dedicates to "Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson and all others who hate in the name of Jesus," a man wearing a crown of thorns wakes up in a haze to find whippet shells in his bloody palms. He then spends the better part of the day checking his "HaterJesus" MySpace profile, looking at porn, using a cross for strength training, taking money from the homeless, drinking while driving, and unzipping his pants to reveal a statue of the Virgin Mary.

Some people may fine the video "slightly" offensive.

You reap what you sow. And Falwell, et. al. have certainly done that, hate begaters one and all!
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post #14 of 128
Condolences to Falwell's family and friends.

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Of course Rev. Falwell will get a "Christian" funeral...however he was one of the most effective ambassadors of the "inverted Christianity" practised by the US religious right.. which (albeit a little oversimplified) implies "blessed are the mean, for they shall inherit the earth", and "if you're not like us, then go to hell". "Moral Majority"... oh dear, oh dear. Even to this non-Christian, it is glaringly obvious that hatred and exclusion are not Christian values

Falwell, or course, endorsed the King James Bible of 1611. I wonder if he knew that the man whose painstaking work went into producing the work that Christians regard was the "Word of God" was not only a HOMOSEXUAL, but also a PEDOPHILE who had open affairs with young boys.
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Condolences to Falwell's family and friends.

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Of course Rev. Falwell will get a "Christian" funeral...however he was one of the most effective ambassadors of the "inverted Christianity" practised by the US religious right.. which (albeit a little oversimplified) implies "blessed are the mean, for they shall inherit the earth", and "if you're not like us, then go to hell". "Moral Majority"... oh dear, oh dear. Even to this non-Christian, it is glaringly obvious that hatred and exclusion are not Christian values

Falwell, or course, endorsed the King James Bible of 1611. I wonder if he knew that the man whose painstaking work went into producing the work that Christians regard was the "Word of God" was not only a HOMOSEXUAL, but also a PEDOPHILE who had open affairs with young boys.

Wait until the body is cold, then go start a thread or something.
But whatever, unencumbered by the constraints of conscience.

You are making a case against hate and stereotyping with, uh, more hate and stereotyping. Good show.
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post #16 of 128
The revisionism begins today. McCain had nothing but praise for Falwell in the news today. Why can't they just let dead dogs lie?

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post #17 of 128
To see this chode remembered all across the media is a fucking insult.
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Of course Rev. Falwell will get a "Christian" funeral...however he was one of the most effective ambassadors of the "inverted Christianity" practised by the US religious right.. which (albeit a little oversimplified) implies "blessed are the mean, for they shall inherit the earth", and "if you're not like us, then go to hell". "Moral Majority"... oh dear, oh dear. Even to this non-Christian, it is glaringly obvious that hatred and exclusion are not Christian values

Falwell, or course, endorsed the King James Bible of 1611. I wonder if he knew that the man whose painstaking work went into producing the work that Christians regard was the "Word of God" was not only a HOMOSEXUAL, but also a PEDOPHILE who had open affairs with young boys.

It's easy enough to let this thread stand as a case study into how the mean-spirited and hateful portions of the Left truly are.

However, as usual, Sammi has come in with outright lies which must be challenged.

The KJV was produced by royal decree and was a national project undertaken during the reign of its namesake.

However, King James was not a Bible Translator and did not undertake any "painstaking work" in the production of the translation.

From Wikipedia:

"Although it is often referred to as the King James Version, particularly in the United States, the only active part King James took in the translation was lifting the death penalty attached to translating the Bible and setting some guidelines for the translation process, such as prohibiting partisan scholarship and footnotes. It is more commonly known as the "Authorized Version" in the United Kingdom."

As usual Sammi, you're just spouting the usual hearsay and nonsense. Which might be an improvement over the hate that's being spewed so far, but only slightly.
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post #19 of 128
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/falwell.htm


Most of you probably don't know anyone from NYC who died that day- but this fucking chode....

like I said, an insult to remember this chucklehead. This POS should be tossed in a junkyard to rot.

You can call it lefty hate, but you don't get a pass on being a waste of humanity just cause you passed away.

Any real American should feel disgusted by this chode.
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To see this chode remembered all across the media is a fucking insult.

Just like both your posts in this thread. How ironic. \
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Wow. What did Falwell do to you? Please do tell..

"real American"
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You are making a case against hate and stereotyping with, uh, more hate and stereotyping. Good show.

What hatred are you referring to? Where do find hatred in the quoting of wellknown historical facts, as well as pointing out duplicity?



I was making the point that a principle cornerstone of his brand of faith is the active intolerance of many of the world's people. That is undeniable, surely. Just read or listen to any of his addresses. Anyone who has any pretence at genuine Christianity knows that such intolerance is 180º in opposition to Jesus' teachings.

And considering that the translation/complition of book which is (allegedly) "Gods Words" from which he derived his ranting was overseen by one of those men who he alleges that "God Hates".. ie a "fag"... such double standards and hypocrisy are hard to beat.

Yes, Jerry Falwell might have gone to Church every Sunday, perhaps more. He might have quoted from the Bible every other breath. But he was a charlatan, and a very successful businessman as well, that is, if one measures success in terms of Earthly acquisitions. But to quote the bumper sticker, "going to Church does not make you a Christian any more than going to the gas station makes you a car".

I hope Rev. Falwell rests in peace now. I doubt that he was at peace during his earthly life.

By the way, referring to hatred is not an act of hate. People who talk about the Holocaust, for example, are not hatemongers.
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Falwell, or course, endorsed the King James Bible of 1611. I wonder if he knew that the man whose painstaking work went into producing the work that Christians regard was the "Word of God" was not only a HOMOSEXUAL, but also a PEDOPHILE who had open affairs with young boys.



Thanks for the disinformation... and for getting pwned by Frank777.
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By the way, referring to hatred is not an act of hate. People who talk about the Holocaust, for example, are not hatemongers.

Throwing out a bunch of easily refuted lies in an attempt to defame is a hateful thing to do, especially when it comes to a blanket indictment of an entire group rather than a person. Your (hate) "disdain" for the Christian Right is apparent, otherwise, why attempt to distort history to illustrate your meaningless point and, in effect, call Christians hypocrites and hate-mongers.
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post #25 of 128
The world is truly a better place without him. I don't feel bad saying that and it comes with absolutely no hatred on my part.
post #26 of 128
Whateveah Jube

Are you saying you agree with the guy's philosophies?

Or are you going to thinly veil it as respect for the dead- solely?

That guy has no idea wtf he was talking about- and I hope a teletubby is butt raping his ass in the 9th plane of hell.

he certainly earned it.
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Any real American should feel disgusted by this chode.

So now people who disagree with you should be branded "Un-American". How Cheney of you.
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It's easy enough to let this thread stand as a case study into how the mean-spirited and hateful portions of the Left truly are.

However, as usual, Sammi has come in with outright lies which must be challenged.

The KJV was produced by royal decree and was a national project undertaken during the reign of its namesake.

However, King James was not a Bible Translator and did not undertake any "painstaking work" in the production of the translation.

From Wikipedia:

"Although it is often referred to as the King James Version, particularly in the United States, the only active part King James took in the translation was lifting the death penalty attached to translating the Bible and setting some guidelines for the translation process, such as prohibiting partisan scholarship and footnotes. It is more commonly known as the "Authorized Version" in the United Kingdom."

As usual Sammi, you're just spouting the usual hearsay and nonsense. Which might be an improvement over the hate that's being spewed so far, but only slightly.

King James was what these days could be called the 'executive director" of the project. From your own wiki entry he wet the follownng rules and guidelines:

King James' instructions included requirements that:
The ordinary Bible, read in the church, commonly called the Bishops' Bible, to be followed, and as little altered as the original will permit....
The old ecclesiastical words to be kept; as the word church, not to be translated congregation, &c.
When any word hath divers significations, that to be kept which has been most commonly used by the most eminent fathers, being agreeable to the propriety of the place, and the analogy of the faith....
No marginal notes at all to be affixed, but only for the explanation of the Hebrew or Greek words, which cannot, without some circumlocution, so briefly and fitly be expressed in the text.
Such quotations of places to be marginally set down, as shall serve for the fit references of one scripture to another....
These translations to be used when they agree better with the text than the Bishops' Bible, viz. Tyndale's, Coverdale's, Matthew Bible, Whitchurch, Geneva.


And also, from the same wiki entry, the Copyright of the Bible resides with the British Crown, (despite the fact that there is no valid copyright for the Bible anywhere else on the planet). Hence the term "authorized version".
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post #29 of 128
STFU canadian.

I remember when you shit on ww2 vets- so you pretty much may as well ignore me.

Cheney, America- really, none of your concern.

Make sure to stay north, d00d!

I am sure you liek to come here and post on an American site based on an American company, and that's fine by me.

But don't think you can address me with any kind of authority.
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Whateveah Jube

Are you saying you agree with the guy's philosophies?

Or are you going to thinly veil it as respect for the dead- solely?

That guy has no idea wtf he was talking about- and I hope a teletubby is butt raping his ass in the 9th plane of hell.

he certainly earned it.

Dude, you really have some anger issues you need to work out. Do you think that coming up with ever more graphic "I hope...XXX" phrases is going to make everyone here fawn over your creativity? Or understand better the theme that "MacRR does not like Jerry Falwell." It's just coming across as something from a 9th grade locker room.

Did you read my posts, or are you just knee jerking and flame baiting? The guy made me scream at my TV quite often and cringe with being a "spokesman" for Christian Conservatives. I do not think he was a credit to the cause in the past 20 years, or even relevant in 21st Century America. My point is that a person, however controversial or vile in thine eyes, has passed away and that might be an occasion for a little respect, rather than one more of Larry Flynt's wet dreams rendered in pixels. Just an idea. But hey, show us who you are.
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post #31 of 128
So what?

I can say whatever I want. I have no qualms about being honest. I am a straight shooter.

I think the guy is a scum bag. For him to make that tragedy about him, his god, and his politics was wrong. The fact that he really believed that removed him from the human race IMO- much like any scumbag. I'd have liked to have seen him go to NYC after he said that. But of course, he wouldn't. Most likely cause a teletubby stole his balls.

So you feel compelled to defend him to me?

Why would that be?

That's your trip, man.

It's not about politics- I am in the middle on that. neither left nor right. so if you think about going there, let me just stop you before you get started.
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So you feel compelled to defend him to me?

Why would that be?

Are you blind? Deaf? Willfully ignorant? READ MY POSTS. Twice now I have said the same thing...

You are posting like a jackass looking for a fight with someone who loves Falwell. I guess so you can pull out the *really* raunchy fantasies to bless us with. We'll "it tain't me, brother."

Scene 1: Jerry Falwell walks into a talent agent's office with his mom, Larry Flynt, and a Teletubby.... .... .... .... the Aristocrats!
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STFU canadian. I remember when you shit on ww2 vets- so you pretty much may as well ignore me. Cheney, America- really, none of your concern. Make sure to stay north, d00d! I am sure you liek to come here and post on an American site based on an American company, and that's fine by me. But don't think you can address me with any kind of authority.

Ok... I am an American. I'll address you:

Hereby spoken as American vicar of the Great Frank of the North:

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So now people who disagree with you should be branded "Un-American". How Cheney of you.

There you go. Now it's from an *American.* Fire away.
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post #35 of 128
My reply is:

NUTS!
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Throwing out a bunch of easily refuted lies in an attempt to defame is a hateful thing to do, especially when it comes to a blanket indictment of an entire group rather than a person. Your (hate) "disdain" for the Christian Right is apparent, otherwise, why attempt to distort history to illustrate your meaningless point and, in effect, call Christians hypocrites and hate-mongers.

Total unadulterated BS!!

The "Christian Right" is one heck of an oxymoron.

Falwell and company have precious little do with Jesus, apart from co-opting that name, and then using the label of "Christianity" as a means to perpetrate spiritual blackmail on their followers to wield power and make cartloads of MONEY. Charlatans like him have been pulling stunts like that throughout the ages... ie misrepresenting the words of a spiritual master and using them for their own ends. There are lots of good people who follow(ed) Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson etc. and gotten ripped off. "Falwellism", and Christianity as taught by Jesus, are so far apart as to be unreconcilable

These guys are prime examples of the false prophets that Jesus taught (Christians) to beware of. Robertson, Falwell and their ilk are playing with peoples' minds and fears and milking them for their very earthly cash. Falwell and co. are more about Mammon, mindgames, manipulation and materialism. It's a flawed part of human nature we're dealing with here, which allows for conmen with loud voices and public speaking skills to use the name of a revered person for greed and power. Jesus is not the only originator of a faith whose name is being used in corrupt ways wholly at odds with what the teacher intended. Any faith are subject to piracy by fakes and phonys.
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post #37 of 128
A great day for Larry Flynt. The saviour of the first amendment.
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Wow. What did Falwell do to you? Please do tell..

"real American"

Hello little, sad little boy.

When you witness someone causing hate and harm to countless others, it does not matter in the least "what he did to me".

Shall I ask you why you hate Bin Laden?
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Hello little, sad little boy.

You used to really have it, tonton. Is this the best you can do in your dotage?

I am trying to ascertain why another user has SUCH a vitriolic view of a recently deceased non-user. I am seeking to understand if there are real reasons, or just that "he's a righty, fuck em" All i keep hearing are graphic and violent/sexual fantasies about a deceased minister, and well, shit, my curiosity is piqued.

Don't you have a predictable, meaningless argument to get to on some thread about now?
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