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post #1 of 29
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Anybody care to share some educated guesses as to where Leopard is likely to be in the development process at the moment?

Is the majority of the work done? Is it at the stage now where they are just searching for bugs? Is there a room full of guys using (pretty much) the final release?

I've often wondered how these things are developed?
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post #2 of 29
I'd love to know the same thing. The lack of info is amazing.
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I remember Apple talking about the development of the iPhone UI, and it seems they have development set up now so that hardly any of the programmers know what the actual UI looks like, all they do is work on the code.

It seems they have found a similar way of developing Leopard.
post #4 of 29
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Yeah, I wondered if they worked on an ugly but functional version of the software first, and then prettied it up at the end once the knew the foundation was working.

As for the developers not knowing what the actual interface looks like, there can only be one reason for that... a super sexy new GUI?
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post #5 of 29
Naturally they don't want to let the cat out of the bag (so to speak) before WWDC. It's only about 2 weeks now and then all will be revealed.
post #6 of 29
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It's been widely acknowedged that the iPhone runs OS X what if it's already running Leopard and we've already seen the new interface?

I guess they could have developed the stripped down version of Leopard before concentrating on the fully fledged desktop version, right?
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post #7 of 29
Of course iPhone is running Leopard. Jobs mentioned in his Macworld keynote that the iPhone interface is powered by Core Animation, a feature exclusive to Leopard.
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post #8 of 29
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Originally Posted by aryayush View Post

Of course iPhone is running Leopard. Jobs mentioned in his Macworld keynote that the iPhone interface is powered by Core Animation, a feature exclusive to Leopard.

Cool. So do you think we have already seen the basis of the new GUI? I hope so, the iPhone's GUI looks beautiful (and very usable).
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post #9 of 29
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Cool. So do you think we have already seen the basis of the new GUI? I hope so, the iPhone's GUI looks beautiful (and very usable).

Yes, there's has been a few Leopard GUI hints, like pop-up lists for example:

Before:

After:
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post #10 of 29
A simple addition I'd like to the current Finder, is when I'm in icon view and I remove an app, I'd like all the other apps to move to fill the gap just made in the grid, probably through Core Animation.
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post #11 of 29
I'm sure they are working around the clock to get the WWDC build in gear.

If true to what Jobs has said, they will be previewing/passing out copies of a full featured beta.

That means up till now everything has been alpha.

The difference between alpha and beta is typically with beta builds, the feature set is locked and completed and they are just hammering out the bugs.

I think when Jobs said Leopard will not be out till October, I have a feeling he meant at the very latest, giving Apple a cushion. It really should not take Apple that long. I think it will start shipping in mid to late September.

Just my 2¢
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Originally Posted by Ireland View Post

Yes, there's has been a few Leopard GUI hints, like pop-up lists for example:

Before:

After:

Before > after. Just my opinion.
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Before > after. Just my opinion.

I hate Aqua.
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post #14 of 29
Im intending buying a new Mac Pro (but waiting until the next set of updates from Apple), but I really doubt that Ill buy much Adobe software to run on it given the prices they are charging
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I hate Aqua.

Then I am sure you will have plenty to be happy with when Leopard is released, and I will be sad. Maybe I'll get used to the 'blah' monochrome interface eventually.
post #16 of 29
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Then I am sure you will have plenty to be happy with when Leopard is released, and I will be sad. Maybe I'll get used to the 'blah' monochrome interface eventually.

You say potato, I say potato. You say monochrome, I say slick and professional
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post #17 of 29
I say "Gee, didn't NeXT have this?"
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I say "Gee, didn't NeXT have this?"

Touché!
post #19 of 29
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Originally Posted by Feynman View Post

I think when Jobs said Leopard will not be out till October, I have a feeling he meant at the very latest, giving Apple a cushion. It really should not take Apple that long. I think it will start shipping in mid to late September.

Just my 2¢


My understanding is that it's a three step process:

1) WWDC feature demostration
2) Announce a release date
3) Release

Thus, I foresee:

1) WWDC (June 11th) full demonstration + dev build
2) more dev builds in July and August, with a fast set of them coming late August to early September
3) Release goes gold first/second week of September. SJ gets up on some stage mid-September and says "Hey Y'all, I got some pretty new iMacs/Minis/Macbooks*!! Oh, and Leopard will be here on Oct 2x! Now watch me play with Core Animation for 20 minutes!".
4) Oct 2x Leopard release
5) Nov 15th 10.5.1

* = pick 1-2 of those 3.
post #20 of 29
Count me in with the OS X ships in September crew. I think apple gave itself some wiggle room and will actually ship the operating system early September for the all important back-to-school rush.

I guess we'll all know how feature complete and stable the WWDC developer build is and that will tell us what we need to know.
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post #21 of 29
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Count me in with the OS X ships in September crew. I think apple gave itself some wiggle room and will actually ship the operating system early September for the all important back-to-school rush.

I guess we'll all know how feature complete and stable the WWDC developer build is and that will tell us what we need to know.

Yeah I don't understand that it will take long from the time they seed the beta to the developers.

Keep in mind the beta build DVDs have to go to manufacturing so I'm sure it will be ready to go a few days prior to WWDC, unless they will be dubbing the DVDs in house but I doubt it.

I'm pretty sure they want to have a pretty polished beta to give to developers so all the features will shine.

And come on, all of you know that the developers at Apple will be working around the clock to fix any bugs in Leopard...

I am guessing we will see a FC build (Final Candidate, the stage right before GM-Golden Master) in September at the latest, if not shipping by then.
post #22 of 29
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I was thinking that there musy be an awful lot of non-development work going on behind the scenes like the preparation of all the marketing materials (design, copywriting, artworking) and the manuals etc.

How long do you reckon it takes from GM to the shelves?
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I was thinking that there musy be an awful lot of non-development work going on behind the scenes like the preparation of all the marketing materials (design, copywriting, artworking) and the manuals etc.

How long do you reckon it takes from GM to the shelves?

It took them about three weeks from the time they went GM with Mac OS 10.0 till the time they shipped.
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I am guessing we will see a FC build (Final Candidate, the stage right before GM-Golden Master) in September at the latest, if not shipping by then.

I don't know, perhaps it's just me but I am not so much optimistic. The complete lack of info about the state of development of Leopard is not a good sign. Yes, you can argue that Apple has plugged the leaks etc., but I would not be surprised if Apple pushes a little bit more the release date.

Until now, the AI reports showed little to no progression in finishing Leopard, yet no one wished to believe that Leopard will come out late. Of course we have to see what WWDC will bring on the table, but as long as we have no positive reports while the NDA period lasts, I would hardly be convinced that Apple will meet the deadline.
post #25 of 29
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I don't know, perhaps it's just me but I am not so much optimistic. The complete lack of info about the state of development of Leopard is not a good sign. Yes, you can argue that Apple has plugged the leaks etc., but I would not be surprised if Apple pushes a little bit more the release date.

Until now, the AI reports showed little to no progression in finishing Leopard, yet no one wished to believe that Leopard will come out late. Of course we have to see what WWDC will bring on the table, but as long as we have no positive reports while the NDA period lasts, I would hardly be convinced that Apple will meet the deadline.

The reason there is a lack of info is because of WWDC. Apple will be handing out feature complete Betas.

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The reason there is a lack of info is because of WWDC. Apple will be handing out feature complete Betas.

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i believe leopard has been made for years and years and this is just how apple makes their stock rise, with the anticipation of the release of a new product.
































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post #27 of 29
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The reason there is a lack of info is because of WWDC. Apple will be handing out feature complete Betas.

Sebastian

This is the first thought I made. However, this does not means that is could not take until October (as the official word says) or even November to finish Leopard.
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post #29 of 29
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If you mean "finish" as in bug fixing... then yeah it will probably take till Late September or October and once it's stable enough they'll ship the code to the factories and create a few million DVDs out of it.

Apple announced a delay but said the Beta at WWDC will be feature complete.

Sebastian

OK, right. I only hope that the Mac OS X Public Beta history does not apply in the Leopard case. Otherwise, we would wait until the end of this year for a new OS buggy as hell. Next week we will probably know better.
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