Call for retaliation

Do you want to be listened to or do you want to be mocked?

Is the letter of a madman the intellectual tradition of an entire religious group?

Does a religious group even have a singular intellectual tradition?

The title of this thread is borderline anti-semetic. You will do well if you ask it to be changed to something more appropriate, like say, Israeli Rabbi calls for 10X eye for eye retaliation...

That at least is true.

Yeah - everyone knows Palestinians are sub-human so what's with this 'genocide' shit?



Just sick..... maybe he needs a little visit to Gaza before the pogroms get (further) underway himself...that should straighten out his attitude....

sego, you are an idiot, plain and simple.

if you actually could read, you would have realized that i support criticizing the rabbi. what i do not support is the overgeneralization that lunocrat engages in when he discusses anything to do with Israel, or as he puts it Jews.

One rabbi != the entire Jewish religion.

Jews != Israel. (Many Israelis are Jews, not all Jews are Israelis)


So, one former chief rabbi of a subgroup of the Jewish religion now speaks for all Jews??

Way to generalize there!

I do agree the rabbi is an idiot.

Sorry - knee jerk response.

I am an idiot though - I find it helps get throgh these times.....

no prob.

Oh Nooooooo... it's teh Thread Bump From, HELL!!

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Former Chief Rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu is not alone. As published in the relatively liberal Israeli Haaretz article in March 2008: (extract)


Rosen is another who didn't just fall off the proverbial turnip truck. If the Israeli military got such orders, then they would be carried out relatively gradually and quietly, as opposed to "let's go kick some Palestinian ass" style. Even though there's been a corporate media blackout on what's going down in the occupied territories for years, such overt tactics would be hard to keep under wraps, what with the communications capabilities of today.., say, compared with what happened in Germany 60 years ago. The US of course would never publicly sanction (extermination); however, amongst the US neoconservative hawks, the current administration and their extraordinarily intimate ties to the Israeli lunatic fringe/extreme rightwing, you can bet that the elimination of those pesky Palestinians would be something much approved of in their private circles. If some are prepared to go public with such schemes, you can bet theres 100 times as many who privately concur, but prefer to remain mute.

Maybe those D9 Caterpillar bulldozers that the IDF uses to raze Palestinian farms, orchards and villages could have another use? Its more likely that the Palestinian people, rather than the Jews (in that out of context remark by Ahmadinejad) will end up pushed into the sea, quite literally?

Rosen is obviously right how else will we stop terrrrrism?

Those DAMN Jews, again!

You get your guard down for a second and it's like.... BAM! Shot to the kidneys!

JEWS!

Tell me....

Why is that when one Rabbi makes an insane comment, he no only is taken very seriously, but he represents a nation and entire religion. But when the actual President of another nation says a certain little democracy must be "wiped from the pages of time" and will "soon disappear" and what not...well he didn't really mean it?

hmmm.

No its not.


No it's not.

Its amazing! As soon as anyone criticizes the actions of a very small but powerful group on the Israeli right, someone always invokes that old sarcastic chestnut.. "blame (ALL) the Jews". Where does that crap come from.. the 4th grade? It's as predictable as the rising sun. Since when did a few crazy Israeli hardliners represent "the Jewish people"? These extremists are a tiny minority, hiding behind the shield of the Holocaust, knowing that people are extremely reluctant to voice any criticism of Israeli expansionism/foreign policy/military action etc. They use that immunity to do what the hell they want... call it international blackmail.. its no better.

The Israelis (hardliners) have been allowed to get away with literally anything and everything over the decades: numerous acts of terrorism (domestic and international), massacres in neighboring territories (such as Lebanon), even acts of war, such as attacking a US Navy ship in international waters or an Iraqi nuclear power research facility, both without provocation. Israeli agents caught spying on the US are let go. Israel has flouted dozens of UN Resolutions, the kind of action which has resulted in war for other nations. Israel has never had to account for its nuclear weapons/power program; all other nations in the region have to comply, or else. Even on the morning of 9/11, the duplicity held sway: the Urban Moving Systems guys who admitted being "sent by their bosses to film the event" were let go and quietly sent back to Israel, under a "national security" blackout. (Imagine if those guys had been Palestinian, Syrian, Iraqi, Iranian etc etc... it would have been Gitmo for ever).

The double standard is breathtaking. Its like being in public gallery in court, hearing two consecutive cases: The first guy, in the dock for murder, gets a slap on the wrist because he's wellconnected.. .. the following case is a homeless man charged with littering, and he gets the death sentence.

For some reason, it is ok if the army goes in and does the slaughter as opposed to civilians talking about the same. Maybe that rabbi should have joined the army first.

Calm the fuck down sammi jo it was a joke.

Christ(killers)

I don't know...hmmm..where would one have gotten that impression....I don't know...where indeed...oh yes, I remember now...it is the thread title....

Nope nothing in the title about Israel, Israeli right, small but powerful anyone...just jews....


Samantha Joe Ollendale....setting up her own arguments to rail against since 1999.

Perhaps the thread title should be more reflective of reality. Substitute "Jews" for "extremist Zionists"... who represent a miniscule proportion of the Jewish people.

However, would that have made any difference? No.

Perhaps it should have. But you are right, it would have made no difference. As you have proven, it doesn't matter whether the OP had isolated a sub-group or made a blanket statement against Jews in general, as he obviously did and meant to, you would leap to defend his statements and intentions...including reinterpreting what he actually posted to make it a little more acceptable to those that feel the same but don't want to be as overt in their leanings.

go ahead, keep claiming he meant just the zionists, or american jews, or whatever other group of jews is preferable to you...as he obviously did not intend this same qualification.

OMG! Look at the anti-semites!

Hardee... no one is condemning Jews for the Palestinian genocide. We are condemning the government of Israel. Do you know there's a difference?

Looks like someone missed the thread title again or is again being intentionally dishonest. meh.

Ovens? Who needs stinking ovens when you got...



white phosphorus. Yes, the same American made white phosphorous we used in Iraq.

It is a weapon of terror. That is its intended purpose on the battlefield. It burns everything it touches. Who again are the terrorists? Gaza is not a battlefield. It is a densely populated open-air prison.

But let's balance this with another story that broke over the weekend...there was a video spread over the Internet that supposedly showed the carnage in a Gaza marketplace after an Israeli bombing mission. It was a hoax. What it was was from 2005...


So, disinformation is rampant too. Doesn't mean that what the Israeli government/military is doing make them saints either. I know from thirty years of watching this that all the truth is laced with crap to give points to each of their sides.

I'm sick of this, it's gone on way too long and I wish our government stopped supporting it.

tonton, what Tulkas said.

lunocrat, your rants have little to do with the facts on the ground -- you are having an emotional response just because one side is Jewish and the other is Palestinian. You leap to some sort of Zionist conspiracy theory as a defense of your position. It's pathetic.

Israel has not done all it could do in non-violently ending this conflict. That is a deep scar that has always prevented me from supporting their actions.

Hamas has no intention of peacefully ending the conflict.

Both sides just want peace though go about it in stupid ways. Both sides have power because of use of force against the other. Both sides use perpetual war to get political ends.

There are questions now about whether the Israelis are using cluster bombs. In an area as densely populated as Gaza, cluster bombs are unimaginable.

No doubt Bush called his Zionist chums and informed them that they should act before he leaves office, as the case for genocide will be harder to run past a Democrat presidency ... And if you could cause a global problem so that me and my Oil chums can make a bit of a profit by having the Oil price to rise again...

That fuckers' adding to his legacy of disasters in his dying hours.

Yes, if they are using cluster bombs, it would be deplorable, but I am not convinced that they are.

The truce was barely in effect far before that. Israel didn't live up to its promise to allow humanitarian aid into Gaza and Hamas didn't live up to its promise to stop dropping missles and rockets into Israeli territory. The fact that you don't know the whole story seems a bit discordant with your claim that everyone else are the ones with their head in the sands.


What does it mean it is Jewish? Would you call the NYTimes Christian? No.





Hint: Israel was founded in 1948. What percent of the population in Gaza do you think actually lived in the land that now makes up Israel?


I am not convinced that they wouldn't accept a single state solution whereby they are given all the rights and privaledges afforded Israeli citizens, but this has been off the table since Israel's founding.



You seem to think that Hamas doesn't have control over Gaza, that Hamas didn't forcibly exert its rule against Fatah there last summer. It is almost as if you believe that Hamas is therefore not responsible for actions Hamas takes... It's an intriguing proposition, you know, treating the Palestinians as if they were infants unable to even teeth without assistance. I understand this is an attempt to make this a David v Golliath argument, but that is insulting to both Israelis and Palestinians.


What? I don't think Hamas fires rockets into Israel except to ellicit a response. I don't think Israel blocks aid from getting into Gaza except to ellicit a response. They are both acting like adolescents and ignoring the costs to the citizens on the ground.


What the hell is a quad grandfather? Maybe you should try to think rationally about a problem that has been TOO EMOTIONAL.


Huh? A war does not need a singular opponent with an army. Hamas is trying to kill Israeli citizens by lobbing missles (to what end?). Israel is killing Palestinians under Hamas rule by well killing them (to what end?). It seems to me that we have here two opponents. But of course the Zionist conspiracy artists can't possibly believe that Palestinians can organize a force and lob missles, no they are too infantile to do that.


I don't see what this has to do with Adolf Hitler, unless your sole purpose is to get a rise out of anyone offended by trivializing the attrocities of the mid-twentieth century dictator set.

Israel's actions are beyond reproach. Hamas' actions are beyond reproach. Perhaps maybe if we recognized that there is enough blame to go around we could come to terms with this conflict. If there are idiots out there who like to think the boogyman causes everything wrong, well we should ignore them. They got us into Iraq.

You are almost funny. Your writings are incredibly poor. Your facts appear made up on the fly. You really seem to have disconnected from reality though. I think you honestly believe if that if you rant it makes up for your other limitations in your posts.

You seem young. Perhaps that explains your posts. You seem mostly very filled with hate. Not anger toward zionists or Israeli policies or the US government. Just really filled with hate to the point of raving. At least you don't try to hide it. You are pretty open with your message of hate right from the start, right in the thread title (the original, not the recently modified thread title...)BTW, the new thread title makes no sense for this thread-retaliate for what? Who should retaliate? Did I miss you call to arms. Going back to your original title would be more honest, no?

However what is truly pathetic is tonton and others leaping to defend this turd of a thread, ignoring the open, unabashed anti-semitism. Going beyond ignoring, but actually rationalizing and justifying it. Sometimes it takes a thread like this for for their masks to slip off just a little. You could almost hear their communal orgasm when this thread got started way back when.

You have to wonder how much more overtly anti-semitic the thread would have to be for them to acknowledge it. At least usually, they can repeat the mantra "we mean Israel not Jews", "zionist, not jews" etc, but luno didn't even try to hide behind those tired refrains. They still defended him. Not one of his post in this thread would be unexpected, in context, from David Duke or any other of his hate filled kind. Maybe his next thread can be titled something like "kill all jews". tonton etc al might not post in that thread, but at least they might not openly defend the OP in that thread either.

A big part of me thinks luno is a composite poster, created by a right winger to post the most ridiculous, immature, hate mongering, nonsensical crap to see who on the left would leap to defend it. The usual crowd did not disappoint. All aboard.

Wow, after reading post after post of knee-jerk drivel along comes tonton with the above.

It is nice when level-headed calm shows up at the scene of childlike posts.

Thanks tonton.

Fellows

If only tonton had looked at the date of that post and recalled the original thread title...

I may be missing something here as I am not aware of this background info you raise.

Fellows

He was addressing a post written when this thread was started over a year and a half ago. That's right 1.5 years... The post itself was in reference to the fact that until today this thread was called something to the effect of Jews committing Palestinian Genocide.

tonton's response was neither relevant to the post he quoted, nor to anything said in this thread at all...

His post was akin to someone defending a klan rally as simply a gathering of some people concerned with race relations.

The original thread title and the OP's consistent content has been an open, racist smear job. It is hardly level headed to come in and rationalize the content after the fact as being only applicable to some sub set of the larger group.

If I come in here and post that all black people are violent criminal animals because my cousin was gunned down in his front yard in Jamaica by a black guy, that would be overtly racist. If a single person posted to rationalize my comments, after the fact, as only applying to those that actually are criminals, that would be obscene. For someone else to later come in, and applaud the apologists is just sad.

He didn't miss anything. He knew exactly where and what he was posting.