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Company managers are probably the only one's other than Paris Hilton who can afford one...

Jobs is banking on the iphone becoming the new status icon for corporate America...

Apple will have to act fast in order to not let the iphone become their parent's business device.

You are on some strong meds that you should share with me.

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Originally Posted by King Chung Huang View Post

Rats. I was hoping the release would be soon enough for me to pick up an iPhone during WWDC. Between that and the 2-year plan requirement, I guess I'll have to wait along with the rest of Canada for the iPhone to get introduced up here.

Damn! I'll be leaving the States before the 29th and not returning until late October. And here I thought I'd be "ohh"-ing and "awe"-ing the peace-loving pygmies of Mboto Gorge while I stole their fruit.
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Advertising on 60 minutes, looks like Apple is focusing on corporate America to fuel the fire for first generation of the iphone. Company managers are probably the only one's other than Paris Hilton who can afford one.

First, welcome to Apple Insider.

Second, many kids work during the summer. Even an $8/hr job is enough to yield an iPhone. Once it's paid there is only the subscription fee to pay.

Third, the phone doesn't really cost more than other phones when you spilt the hardware cost over 24 months.

Fourth, I have a strong feeling that the iPhone—which I assume runs Mail 3.0 because it runs Leopard—will fully support Exchange. I'm not sure if it will sync your Exchange contacts and calendars with AddressBook and iCal, but there should be enough support to make it viable for many business users. After all, Safari reads .PDF, Google Docs and Spreadsheets reads .DOC and .XLS and TextEdit reads .RTF.
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post #44 of 134
Anyone have any idea why it requires a "a new 2 year activation plan." New as in a new plan that differs from other plans? Just seems like awkward wording...Normally it would just say "Requires 2 year activation plan."

To the poster who thinks it looks smaller, just take a look at your ipod(slightly longer):

iPhone: 4.5 x 2.4 x 0.46 inches
30GB ipod: 4.1 inches x 2.4 inches x 0.43 inch

Treo: 4.4" x 2.4" x 0.9"
post #45 of 134
"the closest would be" doesn't NECESSARILY have anything to do with gps. if i know my own address, i know what's the closest just by looking at the map... as for the get directions button... same as google.com. type in where you are to get directions.

that hand model does have huge mitts.


btw, just saw the commercial during the sox yanks game on espn[hd]
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To the poster who thinks it looks smaller, just take a look at your ipod(slightly longer):

iPhone: 4.5 x 2.4 x 0.46 inches
30GB ipod: 4.1 inches x 2.4 inches x 0.43 inch

Treo: 4.4" x 2.4" x 0.9"

Yeah, people still seem to have the mistaken assumption that the iPhone is HUGE, when it really isn't. It's the same size as most smartphones, and usually much thinner.

The screen is huge, the iPhone, ain't.

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post #47 of 134
To-the-point, but somewhat under-whelming ads. The music is dopey, and the announcer sounds a bit like he is talking down to the customer......
post #48 of 134
i saw the "how to" ad on the CW during i hate chris tonight around 5:00 mountain time (7 eastern)
so it wasn't just on cbs' 60 minutes (not just advertising to business people, although that will be a large share of users)
post #49 of 134
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Second, many kids work during the summer. Even an $8/hr job is enough to yield an iPhone. Once it's paid there is only the subscription fee to pay.

Third, the phone doesn't really cost more than other phones when you spilt the hardware cost over 24 months.

When split over 24 months? Who the hell buys a phone and thinks about its 24 month cost? And since most kids spend $50 on a cell phone now, if that, you really think spending $500 is not a big deal?

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Fourth, I have a strong feeling that the iPhonewhich I assume runs Mail 3.0 because it runs Leopardwill fully support Exchange. I'm not sure if it will sync your Exchange contacts and calendars with AddressBook and iCal, but there should be enough support to make it viable for many business users. After all, Safari reads .PDF, Google Docs and Spreadsheets reads .DOC and .XLS and TextEdit reads .RTF.

Problem here is that what you're saying is just guesswork (and it can't fully support Exchange and not sync you contacts and calendar). And Apple has always said they support Exchange. You just need to get your sysadmins to install SMTP support.

But I just lover people who bring up Google docs for business use. There's just one problem with that, you need to be online to use them. Guess that's OK if you don't mind spending that $$$ on the data plan, but it is a little hard on a plane, say.

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Anyone have any idea why it requires a "a new 2 year activation plan." New as in a new plan that differs from other plans? Just seems like awkward wording...Normally it would just say "Requires 2 year activation plan."

A 'new' agreement means that, if you currently have a 2-year agreement, you need to sign up again from scratch. Not that its some 'new' agreement different from their other plans.

And bear in mind that all of AT&T's plans aren't going to be available for this thing. You're not going to be able to buy it for $900 without a plan (as someone mentioned), nor is it likely that you'll be able to get it with a pay as you go plan, because there's too much of a likelihood that people would get it and never use the plan, and just use wifi instead.
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i saw the "how to" ad on the CW during i hate chris tonight around 5:00 mountain time (7 eastern)
so it wasn't just on cbs' 60 minutes (not just advertising to business people, although that will be a large share of users)

Sorry, but the iPhone is not being targeted toward, nor will it have a large share of, business users. Most large businesses provide phones to their people who need the smart-phone, and that's more likely a blackberry (and its push email, which the iphone lacks - except for yahoo of all things). And you think businesses are going to pay extra for those great ipod features? Or the lack of being able to put their own apps on it?

And if you don't buy any of those arguments, just look at the ads. One compares it to an ipod. Not really a business device there.

As for GPS, don't all phones have to have GPS installed? Or is it installed for phone use, but may not be hooked to the OS side of things?
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Originally Posted by Electric Monk View Post

Although I'm still holding out hope for a GPS chip and real location services, tower triangulation gets them within 300 metres/95% of the time so perhaps they're using that for some early location service type stuff.

Triangulation can actually be accurate to within 100 meters to locate a cell phone.
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Originally Posted by Louzer View Post

Sorry, but the iPhone is not being targeted toward, nor will it have a large share of, business users. Most large businesses provide phones to their people who need the smart-phone, and that's more likely a blackberry (and its push email, which the iphone lacks - except for yahoo of all things). And you think businesses are going to pay extra for those great ipod features? Or the lack of being able to put their own apps on it?

And if you don't buy any of those arguments, just look at the ads. One compares it to an ipod. Not really a business device there.

As for GPS, don't all phones have to have GPS installed? Or is it installed for phone use, but may not be hooked to the OS side of things?

No. Locations of most cell phones are determined with tower triangulation. This method is getting more and more accurate as the proximity of three towers for any given carrier gets closer and closer. Currently accuracy for cell phone triangulation is up to 100 meters.
post #53 of 134
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When split over 24 months? Who the hell buys a phone and thinks about its 24 month cost? And since most kids spend $50 on a cell phone now, if that, you really think spending $500 is not a big deal?

I do. I like to look at the total cost of ownership. If paying a little more now for a better experience or more value at the end of the deal then I'm all for it. It's why i haven't ever leased a car or put less than 20% down on a home.

Don't you look at your Mac and ever think that you don't have to buy anto-virus software, ad-ware, etc? I do. It one of the selling points I use when people ask me why i prefer Macs. I have 11 switchers punched on my card this year alone; one more and I get a free pat on the back and an "a'ta boy" from a complete stranger.


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Problem here is that what you're saying is just guesswork (and it can't fully support Exchange and not sync you contacts and calendar). And Apple has always said they support Exchange. You just need to get your sysadmins to install SMTP support.

I did some checking. Leopard does have more Exhance support, without using IMAP like in Tiger, and AddressBook supports LDAP and iCal supports some kind of server based calender.


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But I just lover people who bring up Google docs for business use. There's just one problem with that, you need to be online to use them. Guess that's OK if you don't mind spending that $$$ on the data plan, but it is a little hard on a plane, say.

I didn't make myself clear here. Google already offers Google Maps as a widget, sure it requires and internet connection to gather the info, but you don't need to go to maps.google.com first. Wouldn't Apple know this will be a important aspect to many people and get free versions on the iPhone. Maybe Google Docs is the mysterious icon we can't see in the post I made on the first page?[/QUOTE]
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post #54 of 134
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Some UI enhancements have come to the iPhone:
1. There's a satisfying click upon unlocking.
2. The transition to coverflow is now a fade in, not a twirl in (or whatever you'd call it), this would be both more seamless, and easier of the processor and battery.
3. The phone unlocking to main screen-transition is completely new. Before the home screen just appeared, now the locked slider screen fades to black, the date moves up out of screen, and the icons move in quickly from all sides.
4. Not a UI enhancement, but when the guy is looking for a restaurant he says "the closest would be?" GPS? Doubtful, but worth pointing out nonetheless.
5. The notes and calculator icons no longer have brown on them, which I did dislike for the calculator, but never minded for the notes app icon. On a side note I sent the feedback about hating the brown color on the calculator app icon on Jan 10th, just sayin'
6. The fade to call screen seems more seamless, which is great. Just a demo sure, but it's still cool.
7. The UI for the mid transition to an incoming call is new too. Before the screen just changed with no real transition, now it happens in a quick small series of smooth, planned, deliberate transitions.

All Apple's hard work on this iPhone will pay off for them, in the end.. big time.

On #2 -- this is incorrect. The twirl transition exists on the album view while playing a song and turning the device to the coverflow view. This is not shown in the new ads. The twirl transition also exists in web browsing, which IS shown in the new ads.
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These new ads are (at the risk of sounding redundant) Genius! The simplicity and SPEED at which they depict the phone operating is perfect. I know they edited it to get it all into 30 seconds, but even the on screen happenings are quite brisk. Chiat/Day has done it again with making a powerful statement with simple, clean presentation.

Now I want one even more.

[Although I was still hoping for the first 3/4 of the 1984 commercial with a new ending tagged on where the blonde in the red shorts whips out an iPhone and call Jack Bauer in for backup. Oh, well. These are great anyhow!]
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These new ads are (at the risk of sounding redundant) Genius! The simplicity and SPEED at which they depict the phone operating is perfect. I know they edited it to get it all into 30 seconds, but even the on screen happenings are quite brisk. Chiat/Day has done it again with making a powerful statement with simple, clean presentation.

You are 110% correct. The new ads truly nailed it. Props to the parties responsible.

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post #57 of 134
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Triangulation can actually be accurate to within 100 meters to locate a cell phone.

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No. Locations of most cell phones are determined with tower triangulation. This method is getting more and more accurate as the proximity of three towers for any given carrier gets closer and closer. Currently accuracy for cell phone triangulation is up to 100 meters.

We had a huge debate here a few months ago about different GPS capabilites with various CDMA and GMS technologies. I think Melgross may remember it.

My questions regarding planet-like masses:
Does GPS only refer only to orbiting satellites triangulating your position on Earth, or can it also refer to land-based triangulation determining your position on Earth? Ae we seeing a word actively broaden it's original definition to include new technologies? Is there life on other planets? Are you happy Rosie O'Donnel left The View?
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post #58 of 134
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Anyone have any idea why it requires a "a new 2 year activation plan." New as in a new plan that differs from other plans? Just seems like awkward wording...Normally it would just say "Requires 2 year activation plan."

To the poster who thinks it looks smaller, just take a look at your ipod(slightly longer):

iPhone: 4.5 x 2.4 x 0.46 inches
30GB ipod: 4.1 inches x 2.4 inches x 0.43 inch

Treo: 4.4" x 2.4" x 0.9"

So at least in terms of size, the iPhone will work with my iPod Hifi?

I think these ads are perfect. They show you the product, tell you what it does ("the killer-app is making calls"), and show you how to do it. All to the tone of cute, subtle music. Plus, being a PotC fan I thoroughly enjoyed the comparison of the Kraken to Calamari. )
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post #59 of 134
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Originally Posted by Ireland View Post

Some UI enhancements have come to the iPhone:
1. There's a satisfying click upon unlocking.
2. The transition to coverflow is now a fade in, not a twirl in (or whatever you'd call it), this would be both more seamless, and easier of the processor and battery.
3. The phone unlocking to main screen-transition is completely new. Before the home screen just appeared, now the locked slider screen fades to black, the date moves up out of screen, and the icons move in quickly from all sides.
4. Not a UI enhancement, but when the guy is looking for a restaurant he says "the closest would be?" GPS? Doubtful, but worth pointing out nonetheless.
5. The notes and calculator icons no longer have brown on them, which I did dislike for the calculator, but never minded for the notes app icon. On a side note I sent the feedback about hating the brown color on the calculator app icon on Jan 10th, just sayin'
6. The fade to call screen seems more seamless, which is great. Just a demo sure, but it's still cool.
7. The UI for the mid transition to an incoming call is new too. Before the screen just changed with no real transition, now it happens in a quick small series of smooth, planned, deliberate transitions.

All Apple's hard work on this iPhone will pay off for them, in the end.. big time.

I'm pretty much positive that there is A-GPS.
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Waaaayyy too much information man!

Yeah, he's good about that.
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No. Locations of most cell phones are determined with tower triangulation. This method is getting more and more accurate as the proximity of three towers for any given carrier gets closer and closer. Currently accuracy for cell phone triangulation is up to 100 meters.

A-GPS nowadays.
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Waaaayyy too much information man!

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Yeah, he's good about that.

I seriously hope you guys know I was kidding.
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post #63 of 134
These ads are missing a certain "GOLDBLOOM" element...

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2. The transition to coverflow is now a fade in, not a twirl in (or whatever you'd call it).

I'm not sure that's true.

In the ads they turn the device while it's in album view, making it fade from a list of albums to coverflow. The "twirl" happens when you turn the device while playing a song (and displaying the album art) - this is how it was always shown at Macworld.

Also, the "twirl" still happens in Safari, so it's probably still in the iPod as well.

edit: oops, icfireball got to it first
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Interestingly, I just saw an ad for the Helio. It feature cute little robots cavorting around the phone, the slider mechanism gets slid a few times, and icons go spinning up off the screen.

Take away impression: nice looking phone with that cool slider action that probably is a pretty good, uh, phone. Probably does some other stuff, with those icons and all.

iPhone ad: show it working, show the interface, show the transitions from one function to another.

Take away impression: holy shit that's slick!

Really, I think the kind of casual "this is what you do with this thing" really works well, and has way more impact then the Apple site demo videos, which don't show an actual hand. From these ads you get a feeling of effortlessness.

I also think it's interesting that phone makers almost never try to sell the interface, they sell the phone as an object in its own right. Motorola RAZRs and the like are just shown being pretty and thin. Interface? Whatever.

Now here's the iPhone and its all interface, the phone itself is just the bare minimum to put that in front of you, and the ads just tell that story.
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Triangulation can actually be accurate to within 100 meters to locate a cell phone..

Oh you're right, I was just referring to the minimum FCC guidelines (which is 300 metres or better, 95% of the time using tower triangulation).
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We had a huge debate here a few months ago about different GPS capabilites with various CDMA and GMS technologies. I think Melgross may remember it.

My questions regarding planet-like masses:
Does GPS only refer only to orbiting satellites triangulating your position on Earth, or can it also refer to land-based triangulation determining your position on Earth? Ae we seeing a word actively broaden it's original definition to include new technologies? Is there life on other planets? Are you happy Rosie O'Donnel left The View?

GPS uses satellites, with a receiver in the device itself. There are older land-based technologies which have been largely abandoned, such as LORAN, because of the rise of GPS.

A-GPS is a version that uses a much less computationally powerful, and less expensive, receiver, that reports the info from the satellites to the cell network which does the processing, and sends the location info back to the phone.

Can't stand O'Donnel.
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Just saw this while watching the nightly news, simple demonstration of the Google apps with a big bold "June 29th" at the end. I guess that release date is set after all.

hey thanks for the Google connection, but where is the link?
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You are delusional. Apple is going to be shorthanded on iPhones for the next 6 months. It's going to be harder to get than the wii.

deja vu... camped out for my wii, and will have to now for iphone!
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Despite the multitude of times I've masturbated to the iPhone

I see you've discovered iPhone's movie feature
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These ads are great, but for all of you looking for a great iLife ad, there was an internal Apple ad that was even better than these ads. And yes it is possible. I'll do my best to describe the ad for iMovie.

The ad initially showed two kids, about 4 years old, one boy, one girl. They look to be brother and sister, playing in the fall foliage. after several shots of them playing the movie cuts to a locked down shot (read tripod) of the two of them sitting on a bench in the yard. The audio has a sentimental, simple song. You know the type. Now for the good party.

The shot of the of the two kids on the bench slowly dissolves into the exact same shot, only this time the bench is empty and the sounds of the kids giggling just fades away.

Talk about making a point as to why its important in life to take the time out to record the little moments that make it all worth while.

I'm not sure why Apple doesn't air this ad (internal movie?) That was perfect!
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These ads are great, but for all of you looking for a great iLife ad, there was an internal Apple ad that was even better than these ads. And yes it is possible. I'll do my best to describe the ad for iMovie.

The ad initially showed two kids, about 4 years old, one boy, one girl. They look to be brother and sister, playing in the fall foliage. after several shots of them playing the movie cuts to a locked down shot (read tripod) of the two of them sitting on a bench in the yard. The audio has a sentimental, simple song. You know the type. Now for the good party.

The shot of the of the two kids on the bench slowly dissolves into the exact same shot, only this time the bench is empty and the sounds of the kids giggling just fades away.

Talk about making a point as to why its important in life to take the time out to record the little moments that make it all worth while.

I'm not sure why Apple doesn't air this ad (internal movie?) That was perfect!

I'll never understand why Apple doesn't do more ads. I generally like the ones they have, it's just that it seems like they have a lot of nice stuff that never gets any advertising love whatsoever.

For instance, ever see an ad of any kind for the Airport Express? Being able to send your iTunes stuff to your stereo wirelessly (and have an Airport base station, and a wireless USB printer connection) seems like the kind of thing you could build a cool ad around, but you'd think that Apple wants to keep it a secret. A lot of my Mac using friends aren't even aware that it exists.
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Their isn't GPS on the thing. If you look at the still of the video where it shows the phone #, address, url of the restaurant, you can see at the bottom "Get Directions Here" button. That means that you prolly enter in your home address(or where you are at currently) in the Google Map programs settings and that is how it knows where you are and routes you to where you want to go.
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Sorry,


As for GPS, don't all phones have to have GPS installed? Or is it installed for phone use, but may not be hooked to the OS side of things?

Sorry,

But saying that every phone has GPS installed is ... well really stupid. GPS is a positioning system and has nothing to do with cellular function. Telco can track a cellphone in relation to the signal received in at least three masts but that's not being used yet in a cell function, it will probably never will. It is used to track down stolen cells/runaway teens/... but that's another story.
Iphone will appeal to business users as it does to youngsters, but it will take some third apps and more push functionality to make it popular in the corporate world.

Nice and quick, those are the strong points of this device it seems.
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I was almost getting bored of the stagnant iPhone news, but these new ads have brought the excitement back. Even though I won't be able to get one until the gen 2 3G version comes out in the UK at the end of the year, I'm eagerly awaiting the 29th with great expectation.

There's absolutely no reason at all why the iPhone couldn't incorporate a GPS chipset. The SiRF Star III chipset is small, very sensitive and not very expensive. You can even get sat lock indoors if you're near a window.

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Telco can track a cellphone in relation to the signal received in at least three masts but that's not being used yet in a cell function, it will probably never will.

Mast triangulation has been around for decades, and yes it has been used in plenty of phones. There are even services on the web that will allow you to track a phone for less that £2 per month.

Now I'm not saying that the iPhone will have a GPS chipset, but it wouldn't surprise me if it did. I have a Nokia Bluetooth GPS receiver which I have used with my last 3 smartphones and quite a few handsets are coming out with integrated GPS functionality. If Apple want to take over the smartphone market, they will need to compete on that level too.
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Sorry,

But saying that every phone has GPS installed is ... well really stupid.

Gee, thanks! Although I didn't say it, I just asked the question.

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I do. I like to look at the total cost of ownership. If paying a little more now for a better experience or more value at the end of the deal then I'm all for it. It's why i haven't ever leased a car or put less than 20% down on a home.

20% on a house is a pointless number. I put 5% down, but didn't have to pay the PMI you're hoping to avoid.

But with regards to TCO, teens DON'T do this. You're not going to find too many people under 20 who are going to look at anything and go, "Well, over 24 months, this is going to cost me,...". And, even if they do, they'll still have to think "Okay, sure, it costs $600, and sure, this one costs $50, but I'll have a better experience with this one, so the extra $550 will be worth it!"

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Don't you look at your Mac and ever think that you don't have to buy anto-virus software, ad-ware, etc?

No, but then, I never have gotten viruses, ad-ware, etc. And you don't have to pay for any of that, either.

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I did some checking. Leopard does have more Exhance support, without using IMAP like in Tiger, and AddressBook supports LDAP and iCal supports some kind of server based calender.

But, some exchange support is 'full support'. And using 'standards' for other information isn't the same as exchange support.

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I didn't make myself clear here. Google already offers Google Maps as a widget, sure it requires and internet connection to gather the info, but you don't need to go to maps.google.com first. Wouldn't Apple know this will be a important aspect to many people and get free versions on the iPhone. Maybe Google Docs is the mysterious icon we can't see in the post I made on the first page?

OK, so now we're all pulling ideas out of our asses to fill in pieces we think are missing. But why bother with google docs when they could just go port pieces of open office? Or allow third-party software? Oh, right, Apple's apparently so unsure of their OS they fear that any unapproved software could crash the whole phone.
post #77 of 134
ha isn't funny that I was watching those adds before appleinsider posted that and was thinking "Wow didn't know 'bout these adds...must be some news I didn't look at on Appleinsider..."
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Despite the multitude of times I've masturbated to the iPhone, I can't really comment on those new transition effects you mention.

Im all for sharing but I wouldnt publicly broadcast that fact. Just sayin.
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I'm kind of surprised none of the ads showed any multi-touch interaction. I guess single taps are simpler, but multi-touch is so cool!
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It seems unlikely Apple will be able to get it's 10% market share during this first corporate push.

Where did you get this number? Steve himself said they were shooting for 1% of the market. There's a big difference between 1% and 10%.

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A lot of the surveys asking highschool students if they would buy one are failing to ask how they're going to get mom and pop to pay for them.

I don't know if you have noticed, but there are a lot of wealthy people in America and they will not scoff at the idea of buying the iPhone for their kid for Christmas. I got the 3G iPod as a Christmas gift from my parents and it cost nearly as much at the time.
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