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Apple on Tuesday updated its MacBook Pro line of notebooks with the latest Intel Core 2 Duo processors, memory up to 4GB, LED backlit displays, and high-speed graphics in a lightweight, aluminum enclosure that is just one-inch thin.

The new MacBook Pro is available in 15-inch models with a new mercury-free, power-efficient LED-backlit display and a 17-inch model with an optional high-resolution display. All models include a built-in iSight video camera for video conferencing on-the-go, Apple's MagSafe Power Adapter that safely disconnects when under strain, and built-in 802.11n wireless networking for up to five times the performance and twice the range of 802.11g.

"With Intel Core 2 Duo performance, more memory and state-of-the-art graphics, this MacBook Pro is a portable powerhouse for creative and professional users," said Philip Schiller, Apple's senior vice president of Worldwide Product Marketing. "Apple's notebooks have always led the industry in innovation with features like built-in 802.11 and the MagSafe Power Adapter, and now the industry's first 15-inch LED-backlit display is another step toward completely eliminating mercury from our displays."

Every MacBook Pro model includes an Intel Core 2 Duo processor with 4MB of shared L2 cache, an 800 MHz frontside bus and 2GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM memory, running professional applications like Final Cut Pro 6 and Logic Pro 7 more than 50 percent faster than the original MacBook Pro with Core Duo. Delivering more realistic graphics for animation and gaming, every MacBook Pro now includes the NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT and is more than 50 percent faster than the original MacBook Pro with Core Duo.

The MacBook Pro's lightweight, aluminum enclosure is just one-inch thin and is available in three models: 2.2 GHz and 2.4 GHz 15-inch MacBook Pro models, and a 2.4 GHz 17-inch MacBook Pro model. The new 15-inch MacBook Pro models feature a brand-new, power-efficient LED-backlit display and are the first of Apple's notebooks to transition to LED backlighting as part of the company's effort to eliminate the use of mercury in its products. The 17-inch model now offers a new optional 1920-by-1200 high-resolution display, providing over 30 percent more screen real estate than the standard 1680-by-1050 display.

Designed for mobile professionals, the MacBook Pro includes a built-in iSight video camera for video conferencing on-the-go, Apple's MagSafe Power Adapter that magnetically connects the power cord to the MacBook Pro and safely disconnects when under strain, and the latest generation of 802.11n wireless networking for up to five times the performance and twice the range of 802.11g. Every new MacBook Pro also includes built-in 10/100/1000 BASE-T Gigabit Ethernet for high-speed networking, Bluetooth 2.0+EDR (Enhanced Data Rate), a FireWire 800 and a FireWire 400 port, a backlit illuminated keyboard, an ExpressCard/34 expansion card slot for expansion solutions such as 3G wireless networking, and a DVI video output to connect up to a 30-inch Apple Cinema HD Display.



The MacBook Pro comes with iLife '06, the next generation of Apple's award-winning suite of digital lifestyle applications featuring iPhoto, iMovie HD, iDVD, GarageBand and iWeb. The MacBook Pro also comes with the latest release of the world's most advanced operating system, Mac OS X version 10.4.9 Tiger, including Safari, Mail, iCal, iChat AV, Front Row and Photo Booth.

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The new MacBook Pro models are now shipping and will be available through the Apple Store, Apple's retail stores and Apple Authorized Resellers.

The 2.2 GHz, 15-inch MacBook Pro, for a suggested retail price of $1,999 (US), includes:15.4-inch widescreen LED-backlit 1440-by-900 LCD display 2.2 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor 2GB of 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM, expandable to 4GB 120GB Serial ATA hard drive running at 5400 rpm, with Sudden Motion Sensor a slot-load 8x SuperDrive with double-layer support (DVD+/-R DL/DVD+/-RW/CD-RW) optical drive NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT with 128MB GDDR3 memory DVI-out port for external display (VGA-out adapter included, Composite/S-Video out adapter sold separately) built-in Dual Link support for driving Apple 30-inch Cinema HD Display built-in iSight video camera Gigabit Ethernet port built-in AirPort Extreme 802.11n wireless networking and Bluetooth 2.0+EDR ExpressCard/34 expansion card slot two USB 2.0 ports, one FireWire 800 port, and one FireWire 400 port one audio line in and one headphone out port, each supporting optical digital audio Scrolling TrackPad and illuminated keyboard the infrared Apple Remote and 85 Watt Apple MagSafe Power Adapter.
The 2.4 GHz, 15-inch MacBook Pro, for a suggested retail price of $2,499 (US), includes:15.4-inch widescreen LED-backlit 1440-by-900 LCD display 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor 2GB of 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM, expandable to 4GB 160GB Serial ATA hard drive running at 5400 rpm, with Sudden Motion Sensor a slot-load 8x SuperDrive with double-layer support (DVD+/-R DL/DVD+/-RW/CD-RW) optical drive NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT with 256MB GDDR3 memory DVI-out port for external display (VGA-out adapter included, Composite/S-Video out adapter sold separately) built-in Dual Link support for driving Apple 30-inch Cinema HD Display built-in iSight video camera Gigabit Ethernet port built-in AirPort Extreme 802.11n wireless networking and Bluetooth 2.0+EDR ExpressCard/34 expansion card slot two USB 2.0 ports, one FireWire 800 port, and one FireWire 400 port one audio line in and one headphone out port, each supporting optical digital audio Scrolling TrackPad and illuminated keyboard the infrared Apple Remote and 85 Watt Apple MagSafe Power Adapter.
The 2.4 GHz, 17-inch MacBook Pro, for a suggested retail price of $2,799 (US), includes:17-inch widescreen 1680-by-1050 LCD display 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor 2GB of 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM, expandable to 4GB 160GB Serial ATA hard drive running at 5400 rpm, with Sudden Motion Sensor a slot-load 8x SuperDrive with double-layer support (DVD+/-R DL/DVD+/-RW/CD-RW) optical drive NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT with 256MB GDDR3 memory DVI-out port for external display (VGA-out adapter included, Composite/S-Video out adapter sold separately) built-in Dual Link support for driving Apple 30-inch Cinema HD Display built-in iSight video camera Gigabit Ethernet port built-in AirPort Extreme 802.11n wireless networking and Bluetooth 2.0+EDR ExpressCard/34 expansion card slot three USB 2.0 ports, one FireWire 800 port, and one FireWire 400 port one audio line in and one headphone out port, each supporting optical digital audio Scrolling TrackPad and illuminated keyboard the infrared Apple Remote and 85 Watt Apple MagSafe Power Adapter.
Additional build-to-order options for the MacBook Pro include the ability to upgrade to a 160GB (5400 rpm), 160GB (7200 rpm), 200GB (4200 rpm) or a 250GB (4200 rpm) hard drive, up to 4GB DDR2 SDRAM, Apple MagSafe Airline Adapter, Apple USB Modem, glossy widescreen display, 17-inch 1920-by-1200 high-resolution display and the AppleCare Protection Plan. Additional build-to-order options also include pre-installed copies of iWork '06, Logic Express 7, Final Cut Express HD 3.5 and Aperture 1.5.
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Thanks for the super quick headline update. But, just a suggestion folks: Can we stop parroting Apple's headlines and slogans in the article subtitle/intro?

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Apple today updated its MacBook Pro line of notebooks with the latest Intel Core 2 Duo processors, memory up to 4GB, and high-speed graphics in a stunning, lightweight, aluminum enclosure that is just one-inch thin.
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Honestly, unless you have old equipment or want the high res 17", I fail to see the excitement. The speeds are barely improved. The specs are similar to the current gen. I have a last rev Macbook (current until today) and I see nothing that excites me other than maybe the LED display. No reason to upgrade for me, not that I expected there to be.
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The new MacBook Pro is available in 15-inch models with a new mercury-free, power-efficient LED-backlit display

Can we get some confirmation on that?
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...aluminum enclosure that is just one-inch thin...

I call PR BULLSHIT! Nothing is one-inch thin. That's like Willard Goddamn Scott trying to tell everyone old people are 100-years young.

Blarf! Write your own ledes!

That being said. Damn. I want a LED-lit display. And a dual-layer DVD burner and a FW800 port would be nice. And n wireless.

But I still love my CDMBP
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Can we get some confirmation on that?

http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/
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I dont understand why they arent using Robson. Maybe they are waiting for leopard to come out which could be optimized for it. Seems strange to me.

I'll be interested to see how much power savings there are with the new chipset and LED backlight.

I'm glad they went with nVidia also, they are so far ahead of AMD right now its not even funny.
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Honestly, unless you have old equipment or want the high res 17", I fail to see the excitement. The speeds are barely improved. The specs are similar to the current gen. I have a last rev Macbook (current until today) and I see nothing that excites me other than maybe the LED display. No reason to upgrade for me, not that I expected there to be.

How about 2 gigs of ram for the same price??? That upgrade used to cost $175. AND the free ipod nano.
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Nice update but magnetic latches would have been nice as well as high res displays in the lower end models.

But at least you get 2GB Ram now and the option of a 7200 rpm drive in all models. AND GPU UPDATES!!!!! And we get CPU bumps and Santa Rosa and LED displays.

The 8600M GT is a nice card supporting DirectX 10 shader model 4 (Splinter Cell: Double Agent support at last). Unified shader core like the XBox 360. Hardware decoding of H264, VC-1 (don't know if the X1600 did this). 50% faster in benchmarks than the X1600.

I'd say the update was pretty good overall. Much better than the craptacular Macbook update.

I imagine we'll see these improvements in the iMac too.
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I dont understand why they arent using Robson. Maybe they are waiting for leopard to come out which could be optimized for it. Seems strange to me.

I'll be interested to see how much power savings there are with the new chipset and LED backlight.

There's no guarantee they're not using Robson. I could easily see them announcing this later when Leopard comes out, surprise! it's already on the machine you bought months ago.
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How about 2 gigs of ram for the same price??? That upgrade used to cost $175. AND the free ipod nano.

Its not a reason to upgrade to the new computer. He's not arguing that its not a bad update compared to the previous specs, just that there's nothing to the update to warrant upgrading his MacBook.

For example, a 15" MacBook at $1300 would be something. Some new features, like ExpressCard 5/4 or eSATA would be something. All that I can tell that's got oomph is the higher resolution display on the 17", and I think they upped the graphics card (but its so hard to tell with the video cards, it could be newer but worse then the last one, for all I know).

The LED display is only a big thing if it (a) really ups the battery life (which it apparently doesn't, since, well, there's no mention of it by Apple), or (b) its so much brighter and better then the current models.
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No reason to upgrade for me, not that I expected there to be.

Then you were realistic. I'm amazed at all the wining over this update like it could have been any better. The LED backlighting may be nice. I'll need to see it in action to evaluate. The better graphics card is a nice little addition. Otherwise what else were people expecting? Anands recent evaluation of SR should have a been a signal to all that the performace improvements in this upgrade would be modest at best.
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I'd say the update was pretty good overall. Much better than the craptacular Macbook update.

Now that was a bummer update.
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Then you were realistic. I'm amazed at all the wining over this update like it could have been any better. The LED backlighting may be nice. I'll need to see it in action to evaluate. The better graphics card is a nice little addition. Otherwise what else were people expecting? Anands recent evaluation of SR should have a been a signal to all that the performace improvements in this upgrade would be modest at best.

I think, for what you get, waiting all that time is the problem for people. Most of the changes made (memory, graphics card) could easily be done on the fly during the course of the lifecycle of the product (or, hey, how about, once the component costs come down, Apple just lowers the price!).
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(or, hey, how about, once the component costs come down, Apple just lowers the price!).

Yes, this should be done. Especially for the mini which should be under $500 IMO.
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The LED display is only a big thing if it (a) really ups the battery life (which it apparently doesn't, since, well, there's no mention of it by Apple), or (b) its so much brighter and better then the current models.

6 hours on the 15" and 5.75 on the 17" now. What was it before?
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6 hours on the 15" and 5.75 on the 17" now. What was it before?

Holy shit it wasn't that much....
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Honestly, unless you have old equipment or want the high res 17", I fail to see the excitement. The speeds are barely improved. The specs are similar to the current gen. I have a last rev Macbook (current until today) and I see nothing that excites me other than maybe the LED display. No reason to upgrade for me, not that I expected there to be.

The CPU upgrade is to intel's new Santa Rosa platform which means a faster FSB in addition to other improvements, so the speed bump is going to be greater than just the clock speed would suggest. Also, the graphics upgrade is fairly significant, as is 2GB of RAM across the board. While few people are going to upgrade from the last gen, it is still a pretty nice upgrade.

Although one thing I can't figure out about this update is, do they really expect people to spend $500 extra on 200MHz of performance, 40GB of storage, and 128MB of vRAM? Heck, you can get the extra storage as a BTO for $75, so that means you are paying $425 for a marginally faster CPU and GPU. That is just silly, even for proffesional users.
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I dont understand why they arent using Robson. Maybe they are waiting for leopard to come out which could be optimized for it. Seems strange to me.

So far, Robson has not proven to be useful.

I'm surprised by the higher res display _option_. I didn't think Apple would offer it, though they do offer glossy vs. speckled display face.

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I call PR BULLSHIT! Nothing is one-inch thin. That's like Willard Goddamn Scott trying to tell everyone old people are 100-years young.

It is irritating. I wonder how many people are influenced by that terminology. Not only that, the measurement is rounded down.

In all, I think it's a pretty nice update, though I'd still go for a refurbished older model instead.
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The 15 goes from 5 to 6 hrs. battery life. Very good upgrade overall. Not good if you already have a recent C2D 'Book but fantastic if you're upgrading from a PB G4!

Nice to finally see a 7200 rpm HD option! Of course, that delays it 4 to 6 weeks.
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This is a great upgrade for those of us (like myself) who are still using a PowerBook G4 1.5 (non Intel chip) version.

In fact, I placed my order at for a 2.4 15 incher at 9:02 AM (edt) this morning with expedited shipping. It is expected to ship between June 6 -8 and to be delivered between June 8-13.

Stan
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The CPU upgrade is to intel's new Santa Rosa platform which means a faster FSB in addition to other improvements, so the speed bump is going to be greater than just the clock speed would suggest.

About 5%. Go to Anandtech.com for the details.
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Nice update but magnetic latches would have been nice as well as high res displays in the lower end models.

But at least you get 2GB Ram now and the option of a 7200 rpm drive in all models. AND GPU UPDATES!!!!! And we get CPU bumps and Santa Rosa and LED displays.

The 8600M GT is a nice card supporting DirectX 10 shader model 4 (Splinter Cell: Double Agent support at last). Unified shader core like the XBox 360. Hardware decoding of H264, VC-1 (don't know if the X1600 did this). 50% faster in benchmarks than the X1600.

I'd say the update was pretty good overall. Much better than the craptacular Macbook update.

I imagine we'll see these improvements in the iMac too.

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The 8600 does not offload VC-1. It's wired for h264 decoding only.

Otherwise, completely agree. It's an awesome update, but if I had bought a last-gen mbp I wouldn't be too excited.
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Very solid update. The 120 HD on the entry model is dissapointing (less than the black macbook!) but very nice otherwise. I'm a little unexpectedly needing to get rid of my iMac for a laptop, so I'm pleased overall.
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I call PR BULLSHIT! Nothing is one-inch thin. That's like Willard Goddamn Scott trying to tell everyone old people are 100-years young.

Blarf! Write your own ledes!

That being said. Damn. I want a LED-lit display. And a dual-layer DVD burner and a FW800 port would be nice. And n wireless.

But I still love my CDMBP

I think one inch thin is just fine because a 1 inch thick notebook computer today is pretty dang thin. Now if they were saying 6" thin, I could see your point when other notebooks are between 1" and 2.5" and how it related to Mr. Scott glossing over the obvious with the seniors that make it a century. So 1" thin is fine because it is one of the thinnest made while 1" is thin itself for this type of product.

I still love my CDMBP too.
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The 15 goes from 5 to 6 hrs. battery life. Very good upgrade overall. Not good if you already have a recent C2D 'Book but fantastic if you're upgrading from a PB G4!

Nice to finally see a 7200 rpm HD option! Of course, that delays it 4 to 6 weeks.

4 to 6 weeks! Holy crap!! might as well buy stock and get yourself an HDD from where-ever and DIY...they usually use seagate momentums so its not like its an unheard of part...
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Top of the line 15.4" specs, old/new:

2.33 GHz to 2.4 GHz
667 MHz FSB to 800 MHz
3GB RAM max to 4GB
120GB HD to 160GB (160GB 7200 rpm option!)
6x SuperDrive to 8x
Radeon X1600 to GeForce 8600M GT (great upgrade!)
CCFL backlight to LED
5.6 lbs. to 5.4 (3.2 oz. lighter!)
5 hr. max batt life to 6 hrs.

Very good upgrade!
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cheeky f*ckers...they've wacked in two 1Gb Ram modules rather than one 2Gb module. so any upgrade to 4Gb will mean ditching those 1Gb's...great. bit of a waste huh.
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Any idea why selecting a glossy display knocks down the price $150?? And it's $135 off if combined with the education price, resulting in a crazy discount:
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This is a great upgrade for those of us (like myself) who are still using a PowerBook G4 1.5 (non Intel chip) version.

In fact, I placed my order at for a 2.4 15 incher at 9:02 AM (edt) this morning with expedited shipping. It is expected to ship between June 6 -8 and to be delivered between June 8-13.

Stan

Congratulations!

I'm still chugging allong with my PB G4 1
Unfortunately, it still works well enough. I guess I will have to set the plug across the room where the dog likes to run. Ooops. Damaged beyond repair. Too bad I didn't have MagSafe. I'll give the wife the Nano and we'll call it even...
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i like the specs...

but i still abhor the placement of the hard drive. this is a pro laptop, make it so it is at minimum easy to change out like 99% of the others out there. One shouldn't have to remove .everything. just to change the HD.
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It's strange how Apple play down the LED feature.
It's really difficult to find it mentioned anywhere.

I think this is a very good update though, and it's new 'thinness' will add even more elegance when seen in the flesh.
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Very solid update. The 120 HD on the entry model is dissapointing (less than the black macbook!) but very nice otherwise. I'm a little unexpectedly needing to get rid of my iMac for a laptop, so I'm pleased overall.

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cheeky f*ckers...they've wacked in two 1Gb Ram modules rather than one 2Gb module. so any upgrade to 4Gb will mean ditching those 1Gb's...great. bit of a waste huh.

I agree. But it should be easier to resell 2 1Gb modules rather than 2 512's.

I could not see paying $750 to Apple to upgrade to 4Gb, so I placed an order for the stock machine.

Stan
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it's thin?! wow I never heard then tout that one before...

@ Idle - no idea why cost would go down with glossy screen - maybe uses non-LED screen?
edit: on the UK site its a 70 pence cheaper option...way. to. go. apple.
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It looks like a good competitive upgrade to me, but in the same casing as previous versions.

I would have loved to see the magnetic latches like the MacBook has - my PB needs to have the 3rd latch put in. Crummy latch is the only problem I have with the design.

Looking at what I do on a notebook I'd probably be just as happy with a MB like the one my wife has. I'm getting old enough to like a smaller & lighter form.

Overall, the new MBP looks good, will be attractive to customers ready for a new notebook and it leaves room in the Keynote next week for Steve J to announce something new, like a smaller MBP.
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6 hours on the 15" and 5.75 on the 17" now. What was it before?

I think the 17" was 5.5. I don't remember the 15" specifics, but I think it was 4 or 4.5, though in both cases, I think it is at least 1.5 hours more than anyone actually ever gets from it.
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i like the specs...

but i still abhor the placement of the hard drive. this is a pro laptop, make it so it is at minimum easy to change out like 99% of the others out there. One shouldn't have to remove .everything. just to change the HD.

Yep. Why not just add a quarter inch of height and a couple of ounces and voila
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Although one thing I can't figure out about this update is, do they really expect people to spend $500 extra on 200MHz of performance, 40GB of storage, and 128MB of vRAM? Heck, you can get the extra storage as a BTO for $75, so that means you are paying $425 for a marginally faster CPU and GPU. That is just silly, even for proffesional users.

I was thinking the same. Here in the UK it's a £300 difference inc VAT. The extra 40GB upgrade costs £50inc. If you're not running large dual monitors then there's little point in paying the extra £300.

I'm a little dissapointed that laptop hard disk sizes hasn't progressed as fast as it might this past year. 120GB isn't a lot these days. There's 200/250GB drives at Apple but they're 4200rpm. Hitachi/Tosh/Samsung have 5400rpm drives out now.

Maybe I'll put the £300 to a NAS/Mini/Drobo.
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Any idea why selecting a glossy display knocks down the price $150?? And it's $135 off if combined with the education price, resulting in a crazy discount:

wow, thats cool, and a great way to save money; especially if you actually prefer the glossy screen.
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