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About a yr ago the HD (5400) on my 12" pbg4 died and I replaced with 7200. The difference in speed for basic daily use (MS Office; some stats; safari; mail) really surprised me. Battery life probably takes a small hit, but the much-discussed "snappiness" was well worth it. Together with a recent RAM upgrade to 1.25GB makes me think I might hold out until the likely Jan08 upgrades.

I just placed my order for the MacBook Pro with 160GB 7200rpm HD -- indeed it ships "4-6 weeks". Is this accurate? What are the chances that it will be <4 weeks? (Or said another way, what are the chances it will be >6 weeks?)

This computer marks my official switch back to Apple. Whoohoo! My last Apple was a PowerBook 5300c. I still have it. Talk about thickness...1" (even rounded down) is going to feel like a feather compared to that computer!
post #122 of 282
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The MacBook Pro is supposed to be a pro laptop after all. There are other LED screens which can cover over 100% of NTSC.

Yes, but are these LED screens thin enough to go into a laptop? My MBP C2D 15" has a gamut noticeably smaller than sRGB, could be 50%, hard to judge (I think NTSC is close to sRGB).
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I just placed my order for the MacBook Pro with 160GB 7200rpm HD -- indeed it ships "4-6 weeks". Is this accurate? What are the chances that it will be <4 weeks? (Or said another way, what are the chances it will be >6 weeks?)

This computer marks my official switch back to Apple. Whoohoo! My last Apple was a PowerBook 5300c. I still have it. Talk about thickness...1" (even rounded down) is going to feel like a feather compared to that computer!

4-6 weeks for the 7200RPM version is crazy. They must have ordered them in the 17" version from the factory but not the 15.4", because the 7200RPM 17" is 1-3 business days... I can't wait that long... I guess I'll just settle for the 5400RPM. Man what a bummer...
post #124 of 282
Hi,

I'm brand new, don't own a mac, but was waiting on the new MBP updates and am ready to purchase one now. I would like to get the hi-def screen but have no idea how HD-DVD and blu-ray work. I know that screens or video cards have to be "compliant" and I know that the MBP only has a DVD drive on it...so, my question is this:

How do you play HD-DVD movies or blu-ray movies on a MBP? External drives? Will the MBP play these movies? What other uses are there for a hi-def display?

If someone could please help me out and steer me in a good direction so I don't waste my money, that would be very much appreciated. Thanks!

Sincerely,
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4-6 weeks for the 7200RPM version is crazy. They must have ordered them in the 17" version from the factory but not the 15.4", because the 7200RPM 17" is 1-3 business days... I can't wait that long... I guess I'll just settle for the 5400RPM. Man what a bummer...

I just checked -- the 17" MBP with 160GB 7200rpm is also 4-6 weeks... It's the same drive in both, no (i.e., it's the same HD bay?). I was tempted to settle for the 5400RPM myself, but I've waited this long to switch -- might as well switch in style... From what I understand, the performance differential is significant.
post #126 of 282
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Originally Posted by mdmendoz View Post

I just checked -- the 17" MBP with 160GB 7200rpm is also 4-6 weeks... It's the same drive in both, no (i.e., it's the same HD bay?). I was tempted to settle for the 5400RPM myself, but I've waited this long to switch -- might as well switch in style... From what I understand, the performance differential is significant.

What is the extra benefit of a 7200 rpm HD for normal (word, email, internet) laptop useage? I can see waiting for the faster HD for video editing or some other intense useage. But I do not see why the average user would consider (or require) a bto 7200 rpm drive. My car will go 110 mph, but it really runs fine at 85 mph, which is already 20 mph over the posted speedway on the exressway. I suspect that the same is true for the new MacBook Pro with a 5400 rpm HD.

Stan
post #127 of 282
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Originally Posted by shanmugam View Post

15" MacBook for $1599 would be cool for WWDC!

add a real video card to it.
post #128 of 282
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Originally Posted by gostan View Post

What is the extra benefit of a 7200 rpm HD for normal (word, email, internet) laptop useage? I can see waiting for the faster HD for video editing or some other intense useage. But I do not see why the average user would consider (or require) a bto 7200 rpm drive. My car will go 110 mph, but it really runs fine at 85 mph, which is already 20 mph over the posted speedway on the exressway. I suspect that the same is true for the new MacBook Pro with a 5400 rpm HD.

It'll work just fine but the 7200 drive should help you get a quicker boot time, faster app start time and such. The drive is the slowest component in the core computer system, but once the apps are started, the hard drive almost isn't a factor anymore. I don't see the faster hard drive as a must-have, but a nice-to-have upgrade.
post #129 of 282
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Originally Posted by blingem View Post

How about 2 gigs of ram for the same price??? That upgrade used to cost $175. AND the free ipod nano.

Blah. Mine came with two gigs standard. I got the 2.33 when it came out. Oh, and the hard drive options still suck, though not quite as much as before.

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Then you were realistic. I'm amazed at all the wining over this update like it could have been any better. The LED backlighting may be nice. I'll need to see it in action to evaluate. The better graphics card is a nice little addition. Otherwise what else were people expecting? Anands recent evaluation of SR should have a been a signal to all that the performace improvements in this upgrade would be modest at best.

Exactly. I feel the same. I'm not complaining mind you, I just fail to see the excitement.

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Originally Posted by delventhalz View Post

The CPU upgrade is to intel's new Santa Rosa platform which means a faster FSB in addition to other improvements, so the speed bump is going to be greater than just the clock speed would suggest. Also, the graphics upgrade is fairly significant, as is 2GB of RAM across the board. While few people are going to upgrade from the last gen, it is still a pretty nice upgrade.

Although one thing I can't figure out about this update is, do they really expect people to spend $500 extra on 200MHz of performance, 40GB of storage, and 128MB of vRAM? Heck, you can get the extra storage as a BTO for $75, so that means you are paying $425 for a marginally faster CPU and GPU. That is just silly, even for proffesional users.

I call bullshit on the Santa Rosa hype (and thanks for pointing that out as if I'm some sort of novice). It may be marginally faster, but I'd like to see some current gen 2.33s vs the 2.2 and 2.4 Santa Rosa. The FSB and slightly faster speeds may help, but I'm betting it's no better than 5-10%.

I agree with point two.
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post #130 of 282
This is exactly the update I've been waiting for. My current laptop (PB 1.67GHz) has been wheezing away for a while. It's still got a bit of go in it, but nothing compared to this. Battery life is down to about half an hour now too.

It's definitely time to go MacIntel. I just ordered the 15".

Can't wait
post #131 of 282
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Originally Posted by rickr10 View Post

I'm getting ready to place an order now. I just have two questions.

Memory: Apple's memory is expensive. I want to max it out at 4 gigs so what memory do I get? What type of memory do I buy? Is it the same memory that the previous C2D mac used?

Hard Drive: I really want the 200 gig hard drive but performance is important to me. Is there a big speed decrease in the 200 gig hard drive since it's 4200 vs. 5400rpm? If so I'm staying with 160 gigs but my second question then is is there a big performance jump going up to the 160 gig 7200 rpm drive?

Regarding the hard drive speeds, there are two things that affect real world speed, both directly size of the hard drive and RPM speed. So, for example a 200 GB 4500 RPM harddrive is faster than a 100 GB 4500 RPM harddrive. If you research this further you should be able to find the exact relationship.

P.S. Or wait around and someone around here can answer it for you... I think you're first post just got buried in all the frenzied posting so noone responded.
post #132 of 282
The overall look hasn't changed however of course the speed is much faster. As for the LED lighting, its a huge difference. I would say its about 50% brighter than the previous screen if I could guess. Also because it now has LED, its slightly lighter in weight. I compared the new one and the previous MBP and it has a weight difference. I actually had to ask the people at the store to bring one out so I could see it. I'm very happy I waited till now to buy one instead of a month ago. I can't wait to get one now.
post #133 of 282
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

It'll work just fine but the 7200 drive should help you get a quicker boot time, faster app start time and such. The drive is the slowest component in the core computer system, but once the apps are started, the hard drive almost isn't a factor anymore. I don't see the faster hard drive as a must-have, but a nice-to-have upgrade.

I have not shut down my PowerBook since the last time I went on vacation. I like faster and all of the available bells and whistles, but the 7200 has to eat up more battery time on a portable than the speed benefits that I would receive from the faster HD. Otherwise, I would have waited the 6 weeks to bto.

Stan
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The overall look hasn't changed however of course the speed is much faster. As for the LED lighting, its a huge difference. I would say its about 50% brighter than the previous screen if I could guess. Also because it now has LED, its slightly lighter in weight. I compared the new one and the previous MBP and it has a weight difference. I actually had to ask the people at the store to bring one out so I could see it. I'm very happy I waited till now to buy one instead of a month ago. I can't wait to get one now.

Are the new ones available for sale at the Apple Stores today?
post #135 of 282
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Originally Posted by gostan View Post

What is the extra benefit of a 7200 rpm HD for normal (word, email, internet) laptop useage? I can see waiting for the faster HD for video editing or some other intense useage. But I do not see why the average user would consider (or require) a bto 7200 rpm drive. My car will go 110 mph, but it really runs fine at 85 mph, which is already 20 mph over the posted speedway on the exressway. I suspect that the same is true for the new MacBook Pro with a 5400 rpm HD.

Stan

I do plan on doing video editing and photo editing, plus some data analysis (not heavy) and statistics. Knowing that, between the 200GB/4200 and the 160GB/7200, which will be faster (or if speed isn't the only consideration, more generally, which of the these would be better for my needs?)

PS. I agree that 85mph is fine for most car drivers. I'm interested in top speed in my MBP, but I'm also interested in acceleration: my car can get to 85 now, but I wouldn't mind getting to 85 a little faster!
post #136 of 282
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Originally Posted by mdmendoz View Post

I do plan on doing video editing and photo editing, plus some data analysis (not heavy) and statistics. Knowing that, between the 200GB/4200 and the 160GB/7200, which will be faster (or if speed isn't the only consideration, more generally, which of the these would be better for my needs?)

PS. I agree that 85mph is fine for most car drivers. I'm interested in top speed in my MBP, but I'm also interested in acceleration: my car can get to 85 now, but I wouldn't mind getting to 85 a little faster!

Touche'
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Originally Posted by gostan View Post

What is the extra benefit of a 7200 rpm HD for normal (word, email, internet) laptop useage? I can see waiting for the faster HD for video editing or some other intense useage. But I do not see why the average user would consider (or require) a bto 7200 rpm drive. My car will go 110 mph, but it really runs fine at 85 mph, which is already 20 mph over the posted speedway on the exressway. I suspect that the same is true for the new MacBook Pro with a 5400 rpm HD.

Depends on how much RAM you have and how you work. If you're inclined to keep open lots of apps and switch between them a lot, then a fast drive makes swapping between them faster if you're out of real RAM. If you get the Beachball of Death a lot then a faster disk will help you. Obviously, buying lots of RAM is your best option if you're not prepared to trim your app usage to suit your memory. There's some real bloaters out there (I'm looking at you Safari).

With 2GB of RAM standard on the MBPs now though, RAM really isn't in that short a supply.
post #138 of 282
This is a good update.
I'm not overwhelmed, not dissapointed.

I'd be happier still if Apple dropped a much thicker, heavier MacBook Pro with ~3hr battery life, and a Quad 2.66Ghz, expandable up to 6GB RAM...
post #139 of 282
I would settle for:

User replaceable hard drive.
User replaceable optical drive with second battery / second hard drive options.
Apple laptop dock with true docking connector.
Magnetic latch without display hooks.
Higher resolution iSight camera with at least 1280x1024 true optical resolution.
post #140 of 282
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Depends on how much RAM you have and how you work. If you're inclined to keep open lots of apps and switch between them a lot, then a fast drive makes swapping between them faster if you're out of real RAM. If you get the Beachball of Death a lot then a faster disk will help you. Obviously, buying lots of RAM is your best option if you're not prepared to trim your app usage to suit your memory. There's some real bloaters out there (I'm looking at you Safari).

With 2GB of RAM standard on the MBPs now though, RAM really isn't in that short a supply.

The problem is the more apps you are running, the more likely it is that at least one of them has a memory leak. After a week of running around 30 apps in parallel some mysterious memory leaks accumulate (they don't show up in the Activity monitor), and I usually have a couple of gigabytes of swap files (despite 3 GB RAM). A 7200 rpm drive then really makes a difference.

BTW, I use my Mac close to 100 h per week plugged in and maybe 1 h unplugged. Do I care more about the performance during these 100 h or about the battery life during that occasional week when I might use it for 3 h unplugged?

Getting the 160 GB 7200 rpm drive is a no-brainer. If you really need 200 GB, in a few weeks 200 GB 7200 rpm drives should become available.
post #141 of 282
Since this is a whole new platform, does it count as a Rev. A unit? If so, any reason to avoid it? How long has Santa Rosa been out in the PC side? Any bugs cropped up yet?

I just want to ask before buying, knowing Apple's history with Rev. A problems. With the significantly faster FSB and GPU, I'm a bit worried about heat issues... \
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post #142 of 282
its a sort of Rev A given the updated bits but in the whole sceme of things its not an ENTIRE redesign to warrant the rev.A tag...
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I just want to ask before buying, knowing Apple's history with Rev.

This is the 88th purchase of Mac since January 1984. Love to know the history that would cause such concern?
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Are the new ones available for sale at the Apple Stores today?

If you hurry. My new 2.4GHz 15", just picked up at the Apple Store in Salem, NH, is about 30 minutes away from finishing the data transfer from my old first-gen MacBook Pro now.

I picked up a new Airport Extreme too -- I'm eager to see how well 802.11n performs.
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If you hurry. My new 2.4GHz 15", just picked up at the Apple Store in Salem, NH, is about 30 minutes away from finishing the data transfer from my old first-gen MacBook Pro now.

I picked up a new Airport Extreme too -- I'm eager to see how well 802.11n performs.

Was your first gen MBP a 15" too? I have the first gen 17" MBP and trying to decide if I should go for the new 15" due to the screen.
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Was your first gen MBP a 15" too? I have the first gen 17" MBP and trying to decide if I should go for the new 15" due to the screen.

Yes, the old MBP was 15" too. Before that, I had a couple of 12" PB. And I'd had 2-3 15" PB before that (yeah, I upgrade a lot! ). I never even considered 17" -- I want decent portability. I've got a desktop system for when I was a big screen.

I struggled a lot between getting a 13" MB and a 15" MBP the first time around when I had the choice, because I really liked the portability of the 12" PB. If Apple were to put out a 13" MBP, I might be tempted to go smaller again.
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post #147 of 282
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Yes, the old MBP was 15" too.

So, how's the new LED screen look?
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If you hurry. My new 2.4GHz 15", just picked up at the Apple Store in Salem, NH, is about 30 minutes away from finishing the data transfer from my old first-gen MacBook Pro now.

I picked up a new Airport Extreme too -- I'm eager to see how well 802.11n performs.

Can you comment on the new screen compared to the previous generation MBP? Thanks
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If you hurry. My new 2.4GHz 15", just picked up at the Apple Store in Salem, NH, is about 30 minutes away from finishing the data transfer from my old first-gen MacBook Pro now.

I picked up a new Airport Extreme too -- I'm eager to see how well 802.11n performs.

Was your old MBP a core duo or core 2 machine? Personally I'm holding out for a 3 ghz quad core MBP. I probably won't be getting a new rig till 09.
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give him a chance to answer! both ask the same thing in a matter of minutes!
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give him a chance to answer! both ask the same thing in a matter of minutes!

You should have addressed this specifically to grover, since I was the first to ask and apparently grover can't read
post #152 of 282
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Originally Posted by Haggar View Post

The MacBook Pro is supposed to be a pro laptop after all. There are other LED screens which can cover over 100% of NTSC.

First of all, what % of NTSC does the new LED screen cover, and for that matter, what is NTSC?
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Are the new ones available for sale at the Apple Stores today?

he told me they haven't come in because they just came out today which i found a little weird.
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There's no guarantee they're not using Robson. I could easily see them announcing this later when Leopard comes out, surprise! it's already on the machine you bought months ago.

Will need to purchase $4.00 Robson enabler later.
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I am the grad student. I would prefer the larger screen, but I'm on a budget. I mean, I COULD pay for it (2250 after student discount and applecare....2400 when I get the 8gb nano and iwork) but i'm really interested in longevity. I want something that will still zip in 4-6 years, play my $h!tloads of music, let me edit my cute little webpage (http://www.users.muohio.edu/lingembr/index1.html) and do photoshop for that purpose. Along with writing lots of papers....general ilife stuff too.

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post #156 of 282
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Was your old MBP a core duo or core 2 machine? Personally I'm holding out for a 3 ghz quad core MBP. I probably won't be getting a new rig till 09.

It was the first gen MBP, Core Duo, that I replaced. I'm making a much bigger leap here by getting the C2D than in just the raw GHz change from 2.16 to 2.4. I love the new LED backlighting, and the 802.11n wireless networking too. I think this is the first Mac laptop in a while where I decided the default config was just fine without customizing or upgrading something (I almost always do my own RAM upgrades).

I started 28.5 GB of music transferring from my desktop (which is wired on a gig network -- not wireless) over wifi to my laptop before going out to grab dinner. I wish I knew for certain just how fast the transfer went, but when I got home about an hour and a quarter later, the transfer had been done long enough for my MBP to have gone to sleep.
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So now we've got the MacBooks, MacBook Pros all set, and iPhone set for later this month, so what will we see at WWDC: iMacs!!! Why would they go this long without an upgrade to the iMac if it was just going to be a boring incremental bump? They would've done that now as welll... no?

iMac issue is the size of the screen, Apple wants to put LED on it, and will delay a change until it can. Maybe a month or two (likely two) just the same as the issue with the 17" MBP.
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Wow, I just saw it with my own eyes. Crazy! Must be some sort of mistake? If that's accurate though i guess I know what sort of display i'll be going with

Hope glossy is not a 6bit screen.
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Hope glossy is not a 6bit screen.

a.) The price difference was a mistake. It's been fixed now.

b.) All MacBook (Pro and non-Pro) screens (glossy and non-glossy) are 6 bit.
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Do you guys think there will be another HW refresh when the Leopard comes up in October?

A very minor one, next significant update is prob March (just a guess).
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