Originally Posted by spindler
Here's a question. What if a Democrat in one of the states the was religious but not completely conservative, like say Virginia or Missouri, spoke about all their policies as enlightened by religion? If conservatives do it, then why not liberals?.
Well there would be the multitude of issues with which is doesn't sit well with liberals. However all the front runners on the Democratic side have been using religious language, claim to profess a religion, and are definitely seeking the religious vote this time.
There would be one requirement. They would have to be pro-life. No one will believe them if they aren't.
Not at all, Democratic Catholics chucked the pro-life bit quite a while ago.
But what if they said they wanted to resolve the immigration problem because Mexicans are people too and God knows no nationalities? What if they said they felt God wanted them to find a balance between preserving America but helping the hard working poor as Jesus said?
What if they claimed that nationwide health insurance is an imperative because God doesn't want anyone to suffer and it is up to the more fortunate to help the rest?
What if they claimed that while God wants peace in the Middle East, we have given it our best shot to help the people of that lesser religion over there in Iraq and our help hasn't worked out so "They just aren't ready to receive God's gift of peace quite yet" and now we have to look at doing the best for our troops.
Well you have a couple very large problems with the religious thing and liberals. First, they honestly believe they are rational and reasonable. Al Gore even thinks they have a monopoly on such traits at this time. The reality is that most Democratic policies are about holding up a few examples of the lower classes as being "helped" to keep them mollified and keep the elites in power. The lack of thinking in most policies is deplorable and shows nothing more than manipulation of many of the -isms, (racism, sexism, etc.) Adding religion to such a hodge-podge of ideas would likely cause the entire house of cards to tumble and the lack of thinking would allow their brains to calcify.
What if God is sick of old people trying to live forever and having half the national poverty rate while children starve?
What if the balance between between preserving America and helping the working poor means that you follow the laws of supply and demand, and must limit supply in order to raise demand, aka limit the supply of cheap labor to raise the demand or wages of that labor? What if it really isn't even about preserving America but simple logic that you cannot organize, unionize, or even get time off to improve and educate yourself if there is an inexhaustible supply of cheap slave labor right behind you.
What if the reality is that you cannot have national health insurance and open borders at the same time? What if you believe in an all powerful and thus are a fatalist and don't sweat your health in this life as you prefer the afterlife?
What if God demands you put on the sword and shield of...whatever those traits were and go convert the middle east?
Has anything like this ever been tried? I don't see why Democrats should cede the God vote over to Republicans without trying to grab some of it. A guy like Obama is very likable and has a down to earth charm and I think throwing in some religion could really help him. But I'm also just talking in general with all Democrats. Why not put in enough God stuff to look religious, but not enough to go overboard and threaten liberal voters? Surely talking about health insurance, immigration, and helping the poor in terms of religion can't be viewed as a negative.
Of course it has been tried. The whole civil rights movement grew out of the church. The problem is that while trying to establish equality, the ruling elites decided to establish a system of racial spoils instead so that now you have West Indian blacks, who were never slaves arguing with Filipinos, who were also never slaves about why the white elites oppress them so and who got more or less instead of who was merely treated like a human and equally.
You have, as we argued in a different thread the belief that having a womb gives you control inside your body, outside your body, a freedom from offense, a desire for equal or better wages for "comparable" work and the right to divorce without cause all in the name of what... God?
Finally you have all of this built on a history of grievances. A history that must be retold over and over to insure that the original sin of racial or sexual ignorance in the past is never forgiven. You can't have a religious concept like grace make its way into a political ideology that is based on never forgiving. Sure Dr. King said that an eye for an eye leaves everybody blind, but we still have to get and pluck one more eye in the name of historical fairness and equality. It doesn't matter if it is fair and equitable now, it wasn't then and we must get ours because even though we have an unlimited afterlife, and it isn't even about money because the meek and poor shall inherit the earth, we've got to get ours now. Pluck out that eye man, pluck it out.