Originally Posted by curtegg
No ZFS mention. That alone would make me upgrade to leopard. Guess, I'll hold off till next year on the OS and hardware (stick with my 6yr old g4).
Originally Posted by OriginalMacRat
That should teach you not to listing to the mad ravings of a Sun executive. Or the random web sites trying to make a mountain out of a small quote.
The interesting thing to me is that the sites that reported the ZFS "leak" (e.g., Apple Insider and MacWorld) didn't mention that ZFS wasn't mentioned by Steve in their main coverage.
Originally Posted by bdkennedy1
How are they [Linux Distros] making leaps and bounds over Windows and Mac? From what I saw they used all the 3D ideas from Vista and Tiger, and they're still stealing GUI icons from both OS's. Doesn't seem very original to me.
Give up Linux lovers -- your passion is for a geek thing mostly unlikely to take over the OS world for long to come. Think the difference between Firefox and Thunderbird. Firefox makes computers easier to use while being technically superior. Thunderbird has close to zero appeal to most Firefox users even though it's arguably more powerful than Outlook ever was.
So even if Desktop Linux is more powerful, more secure, cheaper in TCO, and even if there weren't leventy-seven competing GUI's for the damn thing, it still wouldn't seal the deal with people already knowing Win and OS X and their being "good enough."
Originally Posted by Messiah
 I think that Apple's primary motive for Leopard is to tempt switchers.
 I don't really see anything that moves the Mac forward?
1. probably half right. And I'm down with that. The more of us there are, the more resources can be thrown into R&D.
2. well, I see plenty that will move my maccing forward. Some of it's things you can do yourself. I created a downloads folder ages ago, but I like the little picture of the latest download on top. But other bits like QuckView (or whatever it's called) and the parallel previewing system in Finder will be highly useful to me.
Originally Posted by psilo
YOU ALL SUCK!
everyone expects everything ever rumored immediately made available by the end of every keynote. everyone's disappointed or let down.
if you would just wait a week, you'd think, "hey apple is in a better position now that they have safari on windows." and when they're ready they'll be releasing the new imac for back to school buyers.
The "little" things they announced are all just another small step in the right direction and in my mind they're ahead of the competition in a lot of ways.
The ONE thing i really sorta expected to be detailed was support for ZFS, but maybe steve is being spiteful now that sun spilled the beans early. ZFS is going to be a MAJOR step ahead for OS X and apple and it will be overlooked just the same as every other innovation announced as becoming a part of OS X today.
I did expect SOME hardware today. At least new monitors (as begged for by one of the other suits on stage, whom I thought at the time was in on knowing their announcement was minutes away). Those available are long in the tooth. But fear not, as the man said many Apple hardware intros are done lately without major fanfare (especially after the storm of criticism at Steve's supposed overhyping of the "a few new fun products" speech last year, when in actuality the press had hyped itself up, IMHO).
But by and large I think we caught glimpses of a larger Apple strategy today. "Safari everywhere," including on your upper model iPods, BTW sells iPhones (and yes he did later say there would be Tiger version). The "three great ways to run Windows on Macs" combined with the gaming announcements knocks out two more reasons people have wavered on switching. (I'll use Safari where I have to and stick with the Fox, thank you, at least until there's something resembling as many add-ons and all the Gmail features work on it, but I get the logic for the great unwashed.)
ZFS, if it's a true story, will be a strategic deal in the longer run, especially as MS is at least two years behind in this important plumbing of its OS. And for Leopard Server, it will be huge in the minds of IT buyers.
And while only quickly referenced, YouTube on Apple TV along with ease of networking if you go all Mac (Airport Extreme, Apple TV, Macs, iPhones, iPods) will sell more hardware. Because people will be captivated not only by "it just works," but also by "it works on all my devices in basically the same ways." The unmentioned rumored deal to go to Movie rentals is another piece of a strategic mosaic building an Apple life style.
So take a chill pill and start salivating over what will be a hardware torrent by Christmas buying season to play with all of this on. Monitors, iPods, MP's, iMacs (with more options on the 24" job to fill the gap between consumer and pro hardware), a Santa Rosa MacBook, maybe even a Thinbook or gussied up high end MB.
Buncha' sore winners here says me. Who can't accept that personal computing is inevitably moving from PC-centric and productivity-centric to multi-device life-style centric, and Apple gets this. So no mini-towers in your Christmas stockings, boys. But plenty of good stuff.