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Consumers looking to snag an iPhone when it goes on sale later this month will be limited to Apple and AT&T retail stores, in addition to Apple's online store. The two firms, however, plan to broaden the number of distribution points in the proceeding months.

Speaking to the Associated Press, AT&T spokesman Fletcher Cook said the limited availability will only be for the initial launch. Later, it will be sold on AT&T's Web site and through other outlets, he said.

AT&T owns 1,800 retail stores that will be carrying the inaugural Apple handset when it goes on sale later this month, in addition to approximately 170 Apple-owned retail stores.

But AT&T also works with thousands of other franchise outlets that carry the AT&T or Cingular name, the AP noted. In all, the No. 1 U.S. wireless has 8,000 franchise outlets and retail carriers.

Cook did not specify how many of those partner locations may begin to carry the iPhone in the months ahead, nor did he reveal a specific timeframe for the expanded distribution.

iPhone is due to go on sale beginning 6:00 p.m. local time on Friday, June 29.
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oooh hoo not long now
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post #3 of 65
Anybody have any idea how they're going to treat current subscribers? I haven't seen a thing about it yet.
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Anybody have any idea how they're going to treat current subscribers? I haven't seen a thing about it yet.

They're being really quiet about service costs, and how they will handle current vs. new subscribers. A bit scary this late in the game.

It makes sense that they're limiting distribution to just AT&T-owned and Apple stores initially. They have to draw the line somewhere to ensure there's enough phones to go around at each location.
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They're being really quiet about service costs, and how they will handle current vs. new subscribers. A bit scary this late in the game.

It makes sense that they're limiting distribution to just AT&T-owned and Apple stores initially. They have to draw the line somewhere to ensure there's enough phones to go around at each location.

I choose to be optimistic about this-- they're remaining mum about rates and plans for the same reason Apple keeps revisions under its hat: to keep sales of current offerings from drying up in the interim.

It's not a complete stretch to imagine that one of the things Apple negotiated with AT&T are special rates and plans for the iPhone, as part of the general intent of making a mobile information/communications device like the iPhone a mass market (consumer) item instead of a niche (business) player. Attractive rates would go a long way to assuaging price-point sales resistance
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Even $20 off the going monthly rate, after a year, would amount to the "subsidy" of other high end phones, and it just gets better thereafter.

Of course, that's the very thing that makes this scenario less likely-- the carriers know that the phones are just the crack pipe, and the money is in moving the rock. Sure, we can make you a great deal on that pipe!

If Steve actually managed to get some movement out of AT&T on this front, it will mean the RDF has swollen to world destroying proportions.
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Anybody have any idea how they're going to treat current subscribers? I haven't seen a thing about it yet.

I would think the same way apple treats it loyal customers. Oh, wait, you were hoping for good news, huh?

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I choose to be optimistic about this-- they're remaining mum about rates and plans for the same reason Apple keeps revisions under its hat: to keep sales of current offerings from drying up in the interim.

It's not a complete stretch to imagine that one of the things Apple negotiated with AT&T are special rates and plans for the iPhone, as part of the general intent of making a mobile information/communications device like the iPhone a mass market (consumer) item instead of a niche (business) player. Attractive rates would go a long way to assuaging price-point sales resistance
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Of course, that's the very thing that makes this scenario less likely-- the carriers know that the phones are just the crack pipe, and the money is in moving the rock. Sure, we can make you a great deal on that pipe!

Keeping the lid on it doesn't wash. The lid's been removed long ago. Anyone even remotely interested knows it exists and are waiting impatiently for it. I don't think people are going "Well, I don't know how much the monthly fee is going to be, so rather then wait a month, I'm going to get suckered into another phone instead"

And it isn't a stretch to think Apple got a special pricing deal. However, it is a stretch to think it would be a 'lower' price. AT&T isn't going to want to go cheaper, when they have to foot some cash to apple to boot. Everyone keeps thinking Apple is some altruistic company looking out for their customers. That's a joke. They're a corporation looking at the bottom line. And one thing they've got their eyes on is, in your analogy, getting a piece of that crack dealer's take. You work together, offer something the public wants (better rock!), and keep the prices high!
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First, my keeping it under raps thing was about the possibility of special rates for the iPhone dinging sales of other phones, with other rates, before they have a phone to sell. The rate's the thing, not the phone itself.

But more generally, the iPhone is a new platform for Apple. And it is a platform that is utterly reliant on ubiquitous connections to actually do what it was designed to do.

So it certainly is in Apple's (greedy) best interests to try and make sure that people actually use it as designed-- and that means bandwidth. Ideally, relatively cheap, flat-rate bandwidth.

If the iPhone is expensive to buy and (relatively) expensive to operate, it will negatively impact uptake of the platform.

Thus, anything Apple can do (and I'm not saying they have done this) to keep the TCOO down is all to the better, from their perspective.

Naturally, that is exactly the opposite of AT&T's perspective, so I would deem it a long shot, at best. But I don't think it's totally out of the question.... after all, "reinventing the cell phone" is as much about how the service is structured as the phone itself.
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post #8 of 65
you gotta buy the data plan $39.99 a month
you gotta buy the minutes plan $39.99 a month

THEN you get the cell phone... remember it's NOT an iPhone, it's a CELL PHONE.

so it's basically a $499 phone with a $959 "fee" per year attached. even if you don't use it on AT&T's network.

so it's bad news unless they fix that before June 29th.

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you gotta buy the data plan $39.99 a month
you gotta buy the minutes plan $39.99 a month

THEN you get the cell phone... remember it's NOT an iPhone, it's a CELL PHONE.

so it's basically a $499 phone with a $959 "fee" per year attached. even if you don't use it on AT&T's network.

so it's bad news unless they fix that before June 29th.


Are those the current AT&T rates? How much talk time for that, and is the data unlimited? My thinking is that if there is any way Apple could have negotiated a combo deal for something like $60/month, that would be the sweet spot.

The question is, could AT&T have been persuaded that giving up that $240/yr per subscriber would be offset by a big increase in users? Because I would assume that would be the pitch: "We're going to do to cell phones what we did to MP3 players, if you want to get in on the ground floor of that action we'll need some concessions....."
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Are those the current AT&T rates? How much talk time for that, and is the data unlimited?

got the preso last night.. i think that is for 900 "rolling" minutes... and unlimited data... not sure about text...

but all total, it's a rip off... it should be free minutes via Skype, unlimited data within range of 802.11 and free text.

how AT&T can charge for "free" services that are "free" on the internet is going to be a hard sell when they meet the "computer world".
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got the preso last night.. i think that is for 900 "rolling" minutes... and unlimited data... not sure about text...

but all total, it's a rip off... it should be free minutes via Skype, unlimited data within range of 802.11 and free text.

how AT&T can charge for "free" services that are "free" on the internet is going to be a hard sell when they meet the "computer world".

Wait, are you saying that those are the actual rates that will be offered with the iPhone?
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I went by my local Cingular store, I can't believe I was in it with the coverage being so bad here compared to Verizon. Anyway, they told me that they thought the launch was at 9 am that morning until I told them about the 6 pm thing. They were shocked and dismayed because that meant a long night evidently. Then, she told me they had a prewait list and AT&T called and told them to shred it and stop it. She said come early because they have had person after person call and come in asking about getting on a waiting list.

She did say they were told that they would be doing "New Activations" only for the initial launch but they expected that would change but did not know when.

I shall be there early...
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I went by my local Cingular store, I can't believe I was in it with the coverage being so bad here compared to Verizon. Anyway, they told me that they thought the launch was at 9 am that morning until I told them about the 6 pm thing. They were shocked and dismayed because that meant a long night evidently. Then, she told me they had a prewait list and AT&T called and told them to shred it and stop it. She said come early because they have had person after person call and come in asking about getting on a waiting list.

She did say they were told that they would be doing "New Activations" only for the initial launch but they expected that would change but did not know when.

I shall be there early...

Gotta say, the anecdotal tales of how clueless the AT&T sales and support people seem to be is not encouraging.....
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I'll bet they will be offering a set of iPhone specific combined plans. Let's not forget that one of the things that makes this Apple/AT&T collaboration unique is the fact that Apple will get a cut of each contract. The commercials already stated a 2-year contract would be required. That was removed from later airings of the commercials but only to avoid scaring off potential customers in my opinion.

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Not so unusual. Even with all the means available, it's hard to communicate effectively to 1,800 nationwide retail locations that are also trying to do business 70-80 hours/week.

All these stores are accustomed to this really dumb cookie-cutter model for their business, too. I can understand how they're effing this up. The cell phone industry has not changed their way of doing business since...

They've always done things one way.
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Oh, yes. As for Steve Baldmer and his "most expensive unsubsidized phone..." crap. Try replacing a phone on your business plan before it's time for your "loyalty discount."

You pay full freight. Like $749 full freight for a Treo. $449 for a Moto Q.

Apple shaking up the cell phone industry will be the best thing the industry has ever seen.

And consumers will win again.
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Gotta say, the anecdotal tales of how clueless the AT&T sales and support people seem to be is not encouraging.....

Everytime I ask one of those morons something, their response just gets more pathetic. I had a guy at a Cingular store tell me that if I had a .Mac account, that I could Pre-order it from Apple. I replied "Uh . . . I don't think so" and he said, " . . actually, I should know sir, I work here." To which I said "That's what worries me!"
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Consumers looking to snag an iPhone when it goes on sale later this month will be limited to Apple and AT&T retail stores, in addition to Apple's online store.

I thought that it was reported that the iPhone would NOT be sold on Apple's online store? At least not for the initial launch. But not according to this statement. Everywhere I have read (including here on Appleinsider) states that the phone will ONLY be sold at the physical AT&T and Apple stores. Can anyone else confirm this, or am I forgeting or not getting something here?
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I thought that it was reported that the iPhone would NOT be sold on Apple's online store? At least not for the initial launch. But not according to this statement. Everywhere I have read (including here on Appleinsider) states that the phone will ONLY be sold at the physical AT&T and Apple stores. Can anyone else confirm this, or am I forgeting or not getting something here?


Everything I've read so far says that it WILL be available on Apple's online store as well as retail outlets.
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My thinking is that if there is any way Apple could have negotiated a combo deal for something like $60/month, that would be the sweet spot.

$60 seems like extremely optimistic thinking... I'm guessing an unlimited voice and data plan for $99.
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Okay here's my price range, Voice-Unlimited night/weekend 1000 minute voice, unlimited data for....

$69/month.

Why that price? Simply to come in lower than any other smart phone, and remove any worry about plan pricing.

Why am I so sure it will come in on the lower side of these plans??? Simple because Verizon turned down Apple's "demands" and that's a price that would definitely be a demand, especially when Apple get $3-4 back per month.

That's it $69/month.

Place your bets.
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$60 seems like extremely optimistic thinking... I'm guessing an unlimited voice and data plan for $99.

That seems a little pessimistic to me-- AT&T currently charges $60 for 900 peak minutes talk and $50 for the "personal" PDA/Blackberry unlimited data, so that would be a $10 discount on a bundle for a phone they desperately want to be a huge success.

How about we split the difference and call it $80 for some healthy number of talk minutes and unlimited data? I don't think anybody does unlimited talk, do they?

With all the various taxes and fees I'm paying $70 for 900 talk minutes at Verizon right now, with tax and fees $80 would be closer to $90-- I would gladly pay the additional $20/month for data on an iPhone, but close to another $50 (if the AT&T plan were $100 plus tax and fees) I'd really have to stop and think.
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Okay here's my price range, Voice-Unlimited night/weekend 1000 minute voice, unlimited data for....

$69/month.

Why that price? Simply to come in lower than any other smart phone, and remove any worry about plan pricing.

Why am I so sure it will come in on the lower side of these plans??? Simple because Verizon turned down Apple's "demands" and that's a price that would definitely be a demand, especially when Apple get $3-4 back per month.

That's it $69/month.

Place your bets.

So I started with $60, was counter with $100, counter-proposed $80 and you say $70. Hmmmm...

$70 would be great. I'm sticking with my revised $80.
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$60 seems like extremely optimistic thinking... I'm guessing an unlimited voice and data plan for $99.

That sounds about right to me having looked at Cingular prices over the years. C'mon folks...the iPhone is a premium product and Apple thinks that customers will pay for the "experience." They don't need or want an "attractive" price plan to attract customers

My hunch is that they are keeping the wraps on the plan prices (which I think will be quite high) so that it does not become *the* story and take away from the iPhone hype before June 29.
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That sounds about right to me having looked at Cingular prices over the years. C'mon folks...the iPhone is a premium product and Apple thinks that customers will pay for the "experience." They don't need or want an "attractive" price plan to attract customers

My hunch is that they are keeping the wraps on the plan prices (which I think will be quite high) so that it does not become *the* story and take away from the iPhone hype before June 29.

I understand your thinking, but consider this: Apple wants this to be a consumer phone. They want people who don't currently use "smart phones" (because they're too hard to use) to consider the iPhone. The smart phone for the rest of us, right?

And really, although the iPhone is a lot compared to what people are used to paying for phones, it's not wildly out of line with what people are already paying for iPods, considering everything else it can do, so I'm not entirely sure it will be considered "just" a luxury phone.

But these are people who don't currently pay for data plans, so it would be really smart to keep the sticker shock on that count to a minimum. $20, $30 bucks over what you're used to paying, maybe you figure what the hell. $50, $60 over...... maybe you take a pass.
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I understand your thinking, but consider this: Apple wants this to be a consumer phone. They want people who don't currently use "smart phones" (because they're too hard to use) to consider the iPhone. The smart phone for the rest of us, right?

And really, although the iPhone is a lot compared to what people are used to paying for phones, it's not wildly out of line with what people are already paying for iPods, considering everything else it can do, so I'm not entirely sure it will be considered "just" a luxury phone.

I think they want it to eventually be *the* consumer phone, similar to their success with the iPod. But that goal is years down the road. How much did the first few iPods cost? $499 rings a bell. The iPhone is not just a fancy iPod on steroids, but also your cell phone, organizer/PDA, internet communicator, browser and mobile map all in one, running friggin' full OSX!

In addition, most American cell phone customers (unlike Europe) are looking for a free (or incredibly cheap) phone. If you can afford a $499/$599 iPhone, I'm sure the thinking is that you can afford a monthly plan of $99, $109, $129 ???

The one million expected new customers to AT&T in the first year as a result of the iPhone is just a drop in the bucket of their existing customer base. Why not milk these folks while you can?
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I think they want it to eventually be *the* consumer phone, similar to their success with the iPod. But that goal is years down the road. How much did the first few iPods cost? $499 rings a bell. The iPhone is not just a fancy iPod on steroids, but also your cell phone, organizer/PDA, internet communicator, browser and mobile map all in one, running friggin' full OSX!

In addition, most American cell phone customers (unlike Europe) are looking for a free (or incredibly cheap) phone. If you can afford a $499/$599 iPhone, I'm sure the thinking is that you can afford a monthly plan of $99, $109, $129 ???

The one million expected new customers to AT&T in the first year as a result of the iPhone is just a drop in the bucket of their existing customer base. Why not milk these folks while you can?

You may be right, but I'm thinking that Apple is shooting for a different demographic than the sort of people willing to drop over a hundred bucks a month on a cell plan, and that the high relative cost of the iPhone doesn't necessarily mitigate against that since it's such a different animal than the cheap to free stuff people are used to.

As you say, "it's also your cell phone, organizer/PDA, internet communicator, browser and mobile map all in one, running friggin' full OSX", so even cost conscious consumers might be willing to pay more for such a versatile item, even if they aren't the sort to shell out the big bucks for a data plan. At the very least you could rationalize that a few hundred dollars of the phone's purchase price amount to a new, extra cool Nano.

You know, in the way that just because someone springs for an iMac over a no name PC, it doesn't follow that they would be willing to pay double what they were used to for internet access.
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As a devout Apple user, shareholder and eager awaiter for the iPhone, I am a little worried.

When the Treo was announced, and at each upgrade of it, it was pre-announced and could be pre-ordered on the Palm web site. The various plans were posted and the choices could be made. The phones were then shipped when available with the correct SIM in place.

Apple has not followed this model. What model are they following. Will on-line Apple Store Sales take place? If so, beginning when, for deliver when?

Would they be dumb enough to allow online orders only after the phone is on sale in the stores? Then would they be dumb enough to tell on line purchasers they must go into a store to get the required SIM? Why not wait 2 weeks and go to the store when the rush is over.

This would kill the stock and I might even pass up the opportunity to get my iPhone (at least early).
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You may be right, but I'm thinking that Apple is shooting for a different demographic than the sort of people willing to drop over a hundred bucks a month on a cell plan, and that the high relative cost of the iPhone doesn't necessarily mitigate against that since it's such a different animal than the cheap to free stuff people are used to.

I actually hope that you're right! At $60 I would probably make the jump from T-Mobile as I *really* want the iPhone. But right now I'm paying TMo $69 ($39 voice/$30 data) for 1000 minutes with free nights/wknds, and unlimited EGDE speed data that I tether to my Macbook. They also give you access to any of their Wifi hotspots. With taxes, I'm paying about $85/month. I couldn't justify paying much more than that, or accept a higher cost combined with fewer voice minutes or capabilities (tethering, etc).

As I said, I'm not as optimistic (Cingular/AT&T has never beat TMo on price) and I personally think it will actually be much higher as I stated above.
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Here is why I believe the pricing plan will be a "bargain" when compared to other services:

1. Technology gets cheaper. You used to have to pay $40 a month for a pager; over $100 for 4-5 hours of cellular minutes. It really only got cheaper once pagers and phones got out of the exclusive business use and into the hands of consumers. Is this sounding a little familiar to what is happening now?

The Internet? Before AOL (and that one that came before it I cannot remember) it used to be $60 a month for 2 hours on a 4400 baud modem (aka slow). I remember my parents allowing me five minutes of time a month on the Nintendo website.

2. No announcement on iPods with the new features of the iPhone. You know it is there; waiting to be unveiled in September or October in time for the holiday season. All the work is already done. All they have to do is rip out the phone part and you have a new model iPod.

Why does this mean the plans may be lower? A new iPod would pull away from sales of the iPhone - and what demographic do the iPods generally appeal to? Its not Grandma; its your part-time working high school students and your poor college students.

The lack of a new iPod announcement means that they are obviously one of Apple's primary targets. The plan needs to be affordable enough to them; it will keep it's luxuriousness because there will still be a price premium when compared to voice plans.

3. Everyone else turned them down. Yes, Apple was wanting more control over its phone than was typically seen in the industry; but that's "free" customer service that the providers wouldn't have to handle. Yes, I know Apple is going to take a cut of profits; but the hiring/training/expanding for a specific phone may be looked on as a large hassle or mess. I take this as "We have many stores across the nation; we'll even help with the customers for a small amount of profits." I can go to Best Buy and buy phones for Cingular so I don't believe it was an issue of outsourcing phone sales.

The deal's main issue was more likely one of pricing. Everyone likes money - and asking (or maybe more of telling from Apple's part) may not have been taken well.

4. Cingular's been "changing" to AT&T. What better way can they come back in with other than "We're back; we have the iPhone and cheap rates!"
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Okay here's my price range, Voice-Unlimited night/weekend 1000 minute voice, unlimited data for....

$69/month.

Why that price? Simply to come in lower than any other smart phone, and remove any worry about plan pricing.

Why am I so sure it will come in on the lower side of these plans??? Simple because Verizon turned down Apple's "demands" and that's a price that would definitely be a demand, especially when Apple get $3-4 back per month.

That's it $69/month.

Place your bets.

I think you are close.

Go start iPhone: http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-pho...ls/iPhone.jsp?

Plans will range somewhere in and about here: http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-pho...questid=116217
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I think you are close.

Go start iPhone: http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-pho...ls/iPhone.jsp?

Plans will range somewhere in and about here: http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-pho...questid=116217

You just proved my point...a 900-minute AT&T voice plan is $59.99 (100 minutes less than what I get with T-Mobile for $39.99). Then the unlimited data connect plan (which provides unlimited data & would allow me to use my phone as a modem for my Macbook) is $79.99...$99.99 for the equivalent to T-Mobile w/Wifi which costs me $30 a month.

That comes to a whopping $159 to get less than what I pay $69 for. Now granted, AT&T could come up with a iPhone combo plan for voice/data, but I don't see this coming in at less than $99/month. And Apple will never let this thing be sold sans data plan. Not only that, but they know that people will pay to have *the* gadget and status symbol of 2007/2008. Remember that these companies exist to *make money*, not to provide the best technology solutions to us at a reasonable price.
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The Internet? Before AOL (and that one that came before it I cannot remember) it used to be $60 a month for 2 hours on a 4400 baud modem (aka slow).

You may be referring to Compuserve. I remember getting bills for $400-500 a month back then.

I was cleaning out the garage yesterday and I came across a user manual for one of my first cell phones including the receipt. NEC car phone $1195 plus $200 for installation. I don't recall the service plan but it was expensive and that was in 1984 dollars. My point is that you can't make apples to oranges comparisons between what was and what will be because everything is different. The price will be whatever they think the market will bear.

I will get an iPhone regardless of the cost. My company pays for whatever technology I say I need. Of course our business image is that of staying on the cutting edge, so I need one just to keep up appearances.

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You may be referring to Compuserve.

Yes! That was it. I kept thinking CompUSA though I knew it wasn't right. I remember the first time I used the internet on it - my parents sent me to the nintendo site but it never came up and I was putting stuff like "Mario" into the address bar ... they came back 5 minutes later and I hadn't gotten anywhere.

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I will get an iPhone regardless of the cost. My company pays for whatever technology I say I need. Of course our business image is that of staying on the cutting edge, so I need one just to keep up appearances.

This is exactly the customer I think Apple/AT&T are targeting initially. Once they have sold several million and tapped out the early adopters, gadget freaks, and Mac fans, the price and data plans will come down (similar to the iPod) as they make a shift to target the general consumer. I don't, however, expect this within the first year or so.
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Are those the current AT&T rates? How much talk time for that, and is the data unlimited? My thinking is that if there is any way Apple could have negotiated a combo deal for something like $60/month, that would be the sweet spot.

These are the Smartphone data plans that I think would apply to the iPhone: link

That would be on top of my (up for renewal) phone rate. Not too bad for the limited plan since I'd mostly be using Wi-Fi for data. If only they had rollover megabytes I'd be all set.
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Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post

I think you are close.

Go start iPhone: http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-pho...ls/iPhone.jsp?

Plans will range somewhere in and about here: http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-pho...questid=116217

What the heck is "Canadian data"? "International data?" Is it data from, or data to? If the former, how the heck do we know what data (US or non-US) are coming thru which server where?

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What the heck is "Canadian data"? "International data?" Is it data from, or data to? If the former, how the heck do we know what data (US or non-US) are coming thru which server where?


Canadian data generally has the .eh? file extension
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post #39 of 65
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Canadian data generally has the .eh? file extension



Sounds just aboot right!
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I went by my local Cingular store, I can't believe I was in it with the coverage being so bad here compared to Verizon. Anyway, they told me that they thought the launch was at 9 am that morning until I told them about the 6 pm thing. They were shocked and dismayed because that meant a long night evidently. Then, she told me they had a prewait list and AT&T called and told them to shred it and stop it. She said come early because they have had person after person call and come in asking about getting on a waiting list.

She did say they were told that they would be doing "New Activations" only for the initial launch but they expected that would change but did not know when.

I shall be there early...

Is this true about new activations only? I am a current AT&T subscriber and want to transfer my existing number to the iPhone. Do you think an existing AT&T sim card would work? I find it difficult to understand why Apple & AT&T would not allow existing customers to transfer their number, given the fact that they are paying full price for the phone and signing a two year contract.
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