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post #41 of 142
6/20/07 at 11:01am
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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

Here is an explanation as to the problem with Flash on the iPhone.

The last thought I had was about the lack of Flash on the handset. Ive done a lot of work with Flash on the desktop lately on Windows and I have to say that despite Adobes efforts to modernize their infrastructure, Flash is still a very primitive technology with strong roots in education CD-ROMs on Mac OS 9 theyve made tremendous strides in terms of rapid application development and deployment, but I dont think performance or reliability has ever really been on Adobes radar with this product.

Some of the problems Ive encountered include random crashes on shutdown, enormous memory leaks in the runtime (a leak in something that draws at 24fps is a huge issue!) not to mention Flashs notoriously awful performance. On the application side, many Flash applications (no naming names) written to run in Flash in a browser just dont care about performance or resource utilization because most web applications have a process lifetime of a page view, or about 10 seconds. Finally, in a mobile context, consider the effect that Flashs inefficient programming model will have on battery life. The last thing to remember is that the Flash runtimes performance is about 4-20x worse on Mac OS X than it is on Windows I bet Apple evaluated its options and decided it didnt want to have its browser experience marred by Adobes lack of focus. You can also bet that with all the crazy user-space scaling tricks that iPhoneSafari does, Flash wouldnt work.

This isnt to say that Flash on the handset wouldnt be useful, but if you consider the use cases its really not as big a deal as you might think.

http://www.stuffonfire.com/2007/06/13/iphone-sdk/

Despite that, flash is still the most important standard on the web for the purpose it has.

Apple could, and should have, solved this problem by buying Macromedia when they put themselves up for sale, instead of letting it go to Adobe.
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post #42 of 142
6/20/07 at 11:03am
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Flash runtimes performance is about 4-20x worse on Mac OS X than it is on Windows I bet Apple evaluated its options and decided it didnt want to have its browser experience marred by Adobes lack of focus. You can also bet that with all the crazy user-space scaling tricks that iPhoneSafari does, Flash wouldnt work.

Maybe MS will port SilverLight to iPhone so we can have at least some application environment for multimedia other than AJAX

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post #43 of 142
6/20/07 at 11:04am
Selling iTS directly to the device also breaks the relationship with the computer managing and storing the content. Distributing content to the device for viewing or listening.
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post #44 of 142
6/20/07 at 11:06am
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What are you talkin about 80K, do you live in a 3rd world country. On my el'cheapo DSL connection I get 3M (2.75M) downloads. I'm 100% sure you're talking about dl'ing over the Edge service, but I'm not. It has Wifi built in, why not put it into good use. I have no idea what SJ said about not allowing iTunes downloads, but I'm sure it was a bullshit reason.

Where does your brain live?

Haven't you been reading all about what the iPhone can, and can't do?

Have you been sleeping throughout the entire six months of everyone else knowing that the iPhone only can use ATT's EDGE network, which until now, only worked up to 40Kb/s, and that is quickly being upgraded to run at 80kB/s, which will actually just be an effective 40Kb/s?

Haven't you seen all the articles just here on Ai about this?

Haven't you seen all of the arguing about how all of us think this sucks?

WiFi is a joke.

Haven't you been seeing all of the talk about the lack of 3G?

No, I guess not.
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post #45 of 142
6/20/07 at 11:10am
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Despite that, flash is still the most important standard on the web for the purpose it has.

In one way it may not be missed since most phones cannot display flash. Many websites use flash in really annoying ways. So it may not be so bad.

This may push Adobe to improve Flash, especially if the iPhone is a big seller. YouTube switching to .H264 is a big coupe for the format. I can only see this improving things all around.
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post #46 of 142
6/20/07 at 11:12am
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WiFi is a joke.

In comparison to what?
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post #47 of 142
6/20/07 at 11:14am
http://www.apple.com/iphone/specs.html
Go read the Tech Specs. Who needs 3G when there is Wifi. WTF you mean Wifi is a joke? Do you even know what Wifi is.
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Where does your brain live?

Haven't you been reading all about what the iPhone can, and can't do?

Have you been sleeping throughout the entire six months of everyone else knowing that the iPhone only can use ATT's EDGE network, which until now, only worked up to 40Kb/s, and that is quickly being upgraded to run at 80kB/s, which will actually just be an effective 40Kb/s?

Haven't you seen all the articles just here on Ai about this?

Haven't you seen all of the arguing about how all of us think this sucks?

WiFi is a joke.

Haven't you been seeing all of the talk about the lack of 3G?

No, I guess not.

3G coverage is a joke.
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post #48 of 142
6/20/07 at 11:23am
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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

In comparison to what?

Teno, we both live in NYC. I don't know your attempts to find WiFi networks, but I've done some.

When in Manhattan, one of the areas with the highest concentration of WiFi networks in the world, I have found that while walking those streets with a wiFi network detector, that except for a few areas, I can walk for 15 minutes without finding a WiFi signal.

Most of the time when I do, it requires a password to use.

Outside of Manhattan, the situation is far worse. Cruising the outer boroughs in a car, I have found almost no WiFi at all.

Most of the country is in much worse condition. So is the rest of the world.

When you are using a cell, you don't want to have to wander the streets until you can find a usable WiFi connection. You want to do what you want, NOW. That's the entire point to it.

I really don't want to have to find a Starbucks, or yecch, a MacDonalds to download a song. Do you?
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post #49 of 142
6/20/07 at 11:25am
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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

In one way it may not be missed since most phones cannot display flash. Many websites use flash in really annoying ways. So it may not be so bad.

Flash is annoying, but so many legitimate sites use it for nifty UI stuff too, doing stuff I don't think can be done on any other common web technology. I don't think one can get a true picture of how many web sites use Flash unless one actually uses a flash blocker.
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post #50 of 142
6/20/07 at 11:25am
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http://www.apple.com/iphone/specs.html
Go read the Tech Specs. Who needs 3G when there is Wifi. WTF you mean Wifi is a joke? Do you even know what Wifi is.

3G coverage is a joke.

I have to say that your posts have had the highest percentage of inanity than any other poster here, and that's saying a lot.
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post #51 of 142
6/20/07 at 11:27am
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Selling iTS directly to the device also breaks the relationship with the computer managing and storing the content. Distributing content to the device for viewing or listening.

I think you're right, and buying music over your phone has largely been seen as yet another way for cell companies to gouge customers.

But: Remember that iTunes/iPods have a new feature that allows you to sync (purchased) music from your iPod to your computer. I think it's very possible that this could be a lead-in to allowing people to buy music via the iPhone.
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post #52 of 142
6/20/07 at 11:28am
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Originally Posted by BlackSummerNight View Post

http://www.apple.com/iphone/specs.html
Go read the Tech Specs. Who needs 3G when there is Wifi. WTF you mean Wifi is a joke? Do you even know what Wifi is.

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3G coverage is a joke.

Let's just say that WiFi coverage is spotty at best. With cellular data, at least you don't have to worry about your data source every few hundred feet. Open hot spots are insecure, and under almost all circumstanses, it's a pain to enter keys for the encrypted hot spots, assuming that you can get the keys.

3G certainly doesn't have that great of coverage right now, but where it is, it's more consistent, and it has far more potential than WiFi. Citywide WiFi meshes so far have been unsatisfactory and impractical that I've heard.
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post #53 of 142
6/20/07 at 11:30am
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Originally Posted by BRussell View Post

I think you're right, and buying music over your phone has largely been seen as yet another way for cell companies to gouge customers.

But: Remember that iTunes/iPods have a new feature that allows you to sync (purchased) music from your iPod to your computer. I think it's very possible that this could be a lead-in to allowing people to buy music via the iPhone.

Jobs doesn't agree. He believes that as you would have to sync what's on the phone to the computer anyway, you might as well download it from there in the first place.

He does have a point. But, I think he also understands, as I pointed out, that downloading a song over EDGE won't be a friendly experience.

Perhaps, next year, if 3G comes to the phone, that will change.
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post #54 of 142
6/20/07 at 11:31am
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Let's just say that WiFi coverage is spotty at best. With cellular data, at least you don't have to worry about your data source every few hundred feet. Open hot spots are insecure, and under almost all circumstanses, it's a pain to enter keys for the encrypted hot spots, assuming that you can get the keys.

I'm agreeing with you about wifi coverage versus cellular coverage, but how about sitting in startbucks sipping coffee, your phone could use that time to dl song over wifi, or airport lounges waiting for your next flight, wouldn't it be nice to have fresh tunes for your next flight?
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post #55 of 142
6/20/07 at 11:38am
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Originally Posted by BlackSummerNight View Post

http://www.apple.com/iphone/specs.html
Go read the Tech Specs. Who needs 3G when there is Wifi. WTF you mean Wifi is a joke? Do you even know what Wifi is.

3G coverage is a joke.

If you have Wifi coverage, chances are you have a computer nearby. Why on earth would you use the tiny screen then? Wifi on a phone hence makes little sense to me. I realize it may make a lot of sense for some people, but if I have a multimedia device I don't want to hunt for a connection to use the multimedia.

3G coverage through AT&T is a joke. I actually have the service through AT&T's "broadband connect" and we have coverage pretty much around our offices and a little down the freeway. In many other places, even right along major freeways, it is impossible to connect reliably at all - even at slow speeds.

Blame Apple for being too cocky and not working something out with Verizon or Sprint, who both have EXCELLENT 3G coverage nationwide.

Video over EDGE is a joke though. H.264 quality per kilobit is not that much better than the new Flash video formats. Apple pushes H.264 because it is well integrated into OS X, to advance its Quicktime penetration, and so that it doesn't have to deal with Adobe as much, whose Flash performance on Mac is still lagging significantly behind Windows imo.
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post #56 of 142
6/20/07 at 11:39am
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post #57 of 142
6/20/07 at 11:41am
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I'm agreeing with you about wifi coverage versus cellular coverage, but how about sitting in startbucks sipping coffee, your phone could use that time to dl song over wifi, or airport lounges waiting for your next flight, wouldn't it be nice to have fresh tunes for your next flight?

I think it's a nice idea, though the airport lounges I've been in have been paid networks, steeply priced at that.
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post #58 of 142
6/20/07 at 11:44am
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When in Manhattan, one of the areas with the highest concentration of WiFi networks in the world, I have found that while walking those streets with a wiFi network detector, that except for a few areas, I can walk for 15 minutes without finding a WiFi signal.

Very true. There are multiple signals all over Manhattan the problem is finding an open unblocked signal. But you are right in that there will only be certain spots an open signal will be found. There is free WiFi in several city parks. Hopefully eventually the city get its municipal WiFi plan in action.

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I don't think one can get a true picture of how many web sites use Flash unless one actually uses a flash blocker.

I'm sure that's true. It seems Apple weighed its options and came to conclusion that the iPhone would be worse off with flash than without.
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post #59 of 142
6/20/07 at 11:45am
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I'm agreeing with you about wifi coverage versus cellular coverage, but how about sitting in startbucks sipping coffee, your phone could use that time to dl song over wifi, or airport lounges waiting for your next flight, wouldn't it be nice to have fresh tunes for your next flight?

You mean, standing in a crowded Starbucks, shoulder to shoulder with people you don't know, who are constantly looking over YOUR shoulder at your screen?

Since the average Starbucks has no more than about 9 seats, with the biggest, and also the most crowded, having no more than about 18, your chance of getting a seat with that cup of coffee is slender, at best.
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post #60 of 142
6/20/07 at 11:55am
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

Jobs doesn't agree. He believes that as you would have to sync what's on the phone to the computer anyway, you might as well download it from there in the first place.

He does have a point. But, I think he also understands, as I pointed out, that downloading a song over EDGE won't be a friendly experience.

Perhaps, next year, if 3G comes to the phone, that will change.

Jobs has said a lot of things that we later found out he didn't really believe.

I just don't see why they would have enabled this new feature for iPods unless it was intended to allow for the possibility of downloading directly to a portable device. The idea of using it to transfer tracks from one computer to another doesn't make sense, because you can only transfer iTunes-purchased tracks.
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post #61 of 142
6/20/07 at 12:01pm
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Jobs has said a lot of things that we later found out he didn't really believe.

I just don't see why they would have enabled this new feature for iPods unless it was intended to allow for the possibility of downloading directly to a portable device. The idea of using it to transfer tracks from one computer to another doesn't make sense, because you can only transfer iTunes-purchased tracks.

I think he does believe it. That doesn't mean that his views won't change, as they did with mobile video.

But, as I said, it's the lack of a high speed network that is the biggest problem for phone downloads right now.

I would agree that Apple MIGHT be working on an interface for the phone that's more suited for the low rez than the current iTunes is, for when high speed does come to the phone. But, that's just a guess.
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post #62 of 142
6/20/07 at 12:01pm
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If you have Wifi coverage, chances are you have a computer nearby. Why on earth would you use the tiny screen then? Wifi on a phone hence makes little sense to me. I realize it may make a lot of sense for some people, but if I have a multimedia device I don't want to hunt for a connection to use the multimedia.

3G coverage through AT&T is a joke. I actually have the service through AT&T's "broadband connect" and we have coverage pretty much around our offices and a little down the freeway. In many other places, even right along major freeways, it is impossible to connect reliably at all - even at slow speeds.

Blame Apple for being too cocky and not working something out with Verizon or Sprint, who both have EXCELLENT 3G coverage nationwide.

Video over EDGE is a joke though. H.264 quality per kilobit is not that much better than the new Flash video formats. Apple pushes H.264 because it is well integrated into OS X, to advance its Quicktime penetration, and so that it doesn't have to deal with Adobe as much, whose Flash performance on Mac is still lagging significantly behind Windows imo.

First there are plenty of times when you could use wifi on a phone EVEN if you are near a computer ... WORK. This is how you can do some personal business without needing the office pc.

Second, I like Verizon the best where I am, but 3G is not necessary for some of this stuff. Email, SMS, etc. are fine at low bandwidth and streaming video is too much for 3G anyway. The only real thing that I think is hurt is the mapping app while driving around. i would think ATT probably would slow this down.

Third, no one is going to download music on their phone in any great volume. Wait to do it in iTunes.

Last, H.264 is not just about keeping QT in the mix, though that is a good idea, it is about the ability for H.264 to scale from iPhones to Macs to maybe HDef. It should become the standard and it is up to Adobe to get FLASH up to better standards if it wants to go beyond animation and crappy YouTube. That means porting the thing to run better with CoreAnimation, etc. Devices are fast enough now where almost any codec should be able to translate to others almost in real time. Video over EDGE may be a joke, but it is not meant to be the primary means of watching video in the first place.

My Verizon contract will be up about the time AT&T upgrades its system and the bugs get worked out of the first 100,000 iPhones.
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post #63 of 142
6/20/07 at 12:02pm
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

You mean, standing in a crowded Starbucks, shoulder to shoulder with people you don't know, who are constantly looking over YOUR shoulder at your screen?

Since the average Starbucks has no more than about 9 seats, with the biggest, and also the most crowded, having no more than about 18, your chance of getting a seat with that cup of coffee is slender, at best.

Whoa, that has to be most negative attitude I have come across today. Truth to be told I have visited only one starbucks in my life, not living in states and all. Those were mere examples where it would be nice to be able dl directly from iTunes and wifi is present. Here in Finland for example there are some municipal tryouts to cover whole cities with wifi connection, also street cafes(no starbucks here) are slowly opening their access points to visitors. Of course wifi coverage is not nearly as good as it is with cellular networks (2 X ~99% of whole country), but when it's there why not use it?
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post #64 of 142
6/20/07 at 12:06pm
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First there are plenty of times when you could use wifi on a phone EVEN if you are near a computer ... WORK. This is how you can do some personal business without needing the office pc.

Second, I like Verizon the best where I am, but 3G is not necessary for some of this stuff. Email, SMS, etc. are fine at low bandwidth and streaming video is too much for 3G anyway. The only real thing that I think is hurt is the mapping app while driving around. i would think ATT probably would slow this down.

Third, no one is going to download music on their phone in any great volume. Wait to do it in iTunes.

Last, H.264 is not just about keeping QT in the mix, though that is a good idea, it is about the ability for H.264 to scale from iPhones to Macs to maybe HDef. It should become the standard and it is up to Adobe to get FLASH up to better standards if it wants to go beyond animation and crappy YouTube. That means porting the thing to run better with CoreAnimation, etc. Devices are fast enough now where almost any codec should be able to translate to others almost in real time. Video over EDGE may be a joke, but it is not meant to be the primary means of watching video in the first place.

My Verizon contract will be up about the time AT&T upgrades its system and the bugs get worked out of the first 100,000 iPhones.

I would never encourage someone to use a work connection for personal business unless they know that their company has specifically said that it was ok.

Not only have people been fired over that issue, but the courts have affirmed that the company can determine what their network can be used for, and that they have the right to disallow personal usage.

Once that option is gone, WiFi becomes much less interesting.
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post #65 of 142
6/20/07 at 12:09pm
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Whoa, that has to be most negative attitude I have come across today. Truth to be told I have visited only one starbucks in my life, not living in states and all. Those were mere examples where it would be nice to be able dl directly from iTunes and wifi is present. Here in Finland for example there are some municipal tryouts to cover whole cities with wifi connection, also street cafes(no starbucks here) are slowly opening their access points to visitors. Of course wifi coverage is not nearly as good as it is with cellular networks (2 X ~99% of whole country), but when it's there why not use it?

We have Starbucks almost every other street in Manhattan. All are small. Most all are full, all the seats taken, and have lines at the counter. There are even lines for the bathroom. How should I feel?
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post #66 of 142
6/20/07 at 12:17pm
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

We have Starbucks almost every other street in Manhattan. Most all are full, all the seats taken, and have lines at the counter. There are even lines for the bathroom. How should I feel?

I'm sorry you have to queue for your java, It rarely happens here so I couldn't foresee that it was touchy subject, Here we have plenty of unpopulated forest with excellent cellular data connections and I guess soon wifi connections as well, if you ever consider change of scenery
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post #67 of 142
6/20/07 at 12:23pm
Some companies actually want you to use their Wifi. Of course not for anything illegal, but they want it to be used. The company I'm currently employed for is such a company.
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post #68 of 142
6/20/07 at 12:35pm
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I'm sorry you have to queue for your java, It rarely happens here so I couldn't foresee that it was touchy subject, Here we have plenty of unpopulated forest with excellent cellular data connections and I guess soon wifi connections as well, if you ever consider change of scenery

Not to mention, much better coffee than they serve at Starbucks.

Life is too short to drink bad coffee.

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post #69 of 142
6/20/07 at 2:05pm
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Whoa, that has to be most negative attitude I have come across today.

A virtual taste of New York City
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post #70 of 142
6/20/07 at 4:26pm
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Originally Posted by BlackSummerNight View Post

3G coverage is a joke.

Only in the US.
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post #71 of 142
6/20/07 at 4:28pm
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Originally Posted by BlackSummerNight View Post

You should be able to use Skype soon. Someone will write Skype for iPhone soon. REAL SOON.

Until Apple releases REAL development tools for the iPhone that's not going to happen.
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post #72 of 142
6/20/07 at 4:34pm
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I would never encourage someone to use a work connection for personal business unless they know that their company has specifically said that it was ok.

Not only have people been fired over that issue, but the courts have affirmed that the company can determine what their network can be used for, and that they have the right to disallow personal usage.

Once that option is gone, WiFi becomes much less interesting.

So the office would rather you use the office pc and phone to do personal business?!
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post #73 of 142
6/20/07 at 4:55pm
Why scale down you tube when we could get the who ****ing site and alot more with the addition of flash and java.
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post #74 of 142
6/20/07 at 5:02pm
Apple chose EDGE because it's readily available in the US

Apple chose WiFi because many media packages (at least AT&Ts plan) only allow 5 MBs of transfer via EDGE before additional charges occur. Thusly, when the phone can pick up a WiFi signal, it will default to the free source of connectivity.

Many places offer free WiFi, hotels, work, coffee shops, schools, libraries at home etc. I WILL be using the device in the home because that's just what I do. I watch full movies on my iPod while lying in bed with my computer right next to me, only because it allowed me to toss and turn as I pleased without have to keep the television in my eyesight.

Also note that the iPhone isn't just the internet. It's more an iPod at heart than anything. No it's a phone you say? I don't believe that. Because in the end, the Phone iPod, or iPod that has a Phone isn't as catchy and sweet as the iPhone.

Lastly, Apple like EarthLink. EarthLink trials can be found on a new mac (at least when I bought mine). Earthlink is partnering with the city of Philadelphia to create a WiFi city for just 20 some odd bucks a month. So soon, I can go anywhere in this city and use my internet connection.

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post #75 of 142
6/20/07 at 5:31pm
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Why scale down you tube when we could get the who ****ing site and alot more with the addition of flash and java.

Because the resolution is better and the resources are smaller. QT for H.246 and no need for Flash or java. Not my choice, but it is a logical choice for the first version.

Do you mean to tell me that the Flash and java implementations on other smart phones are really all that great? I have only seen a few smart phones and they didn't look very good or fast.
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post #76 of 142
6/20/07 at 5:41pm
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Why scale down you tube when we could get the who ****ing site and alot more with the addition of flash and java.

Java... Flash... ugggh... I would love to see both of those hogs obsolete once and for all.
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post #77 of 142
6/20/07 at 7:13pm
Are you guys sure you aren't confusing JavaScript with Java? They aren't synonymous. I am certain that JavaScript is on iPhone's Safari, that is the "J" in the AJAX, what is needed for Web 2.0 web sites. I don't think YouTube uses Java.
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6/20/07 at 7:21pm
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Java... Flash... ugggh... I would love to see both of those hogs obsolete once and for all.

The real point is that they arnt. Two many sites use them now to just completly ignore them. I dont think that the iPhone can change this either as how many sites will completly redesign themselves just for the iPhone?
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6/20/07 at 7:48pm
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

Let's just say that WiFi coverage is spotty at best. With cellular data, at least you don't have to worry about your data source every few hundred feet. Open hot spots are insecure, and under almost all circumstanses, it's a pain to enter keys for the encrypted hot spots, assuming that you can get the keys.

3G certainly doesn't have that great of coverage right now, but where it is, it's more consistent, and it has far more potential than WiFi. Citywide WiFi meshes so far have been unsatisfactory and impractical that I've heard.

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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

Jobs doesn't agree. He believes that as you would have to sync what's on the phone to the computer anyway, you might as well download it from there in the first place.

He does have a point. But, I think he also understands, as I pointed out, that downloading a song over EDGE won't be a friendly experience.

Perhaps, next year, if 3G comes to the phone, that will change.

3G in Europe and Asia and Australia is far outstripping WiFi or WiMax in terms of reliable all-the-time coverage. Agreed. Asia will most definitely have a 3G iPhone in 2008. IMO.


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Originally Posted by Project2501 View Post

I'm agreeing with you about wifi coverage versus cellular coverage, but how about sitting in startbucks sipping coffee, your phone could use that time to dl song over wifi, or airport lounges waiting for your next flight, wouldn't it be nice to have fresh tunes for your next flight?

Yes, this will be nice. Not yet though, until 3G in the US is really developed well over the next few years.


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Java... Flash... ugggh... I would love to see both of those hogs obsolete once and for all.

True enough. Flash can be done well, and it has its uses. Java I wish would just frucking DIE ALREADY PIECE OF SH*T MOTHRF@@#!@#!@ Arghghghghghghg.

Anyone that has extensive Flash development, while championing the format for certain websites, will see the disadvantages it has for the iPhone (Apple Apologist attitudes or not).

Anyone remember WAP? Now that's a real joke. Safari on iPhone is at least better. Full browser support, maybe down the line.

I mean, we'd never thought a Mac could run IE7 for Windows side by side Safari on a practical day to day basis, no?
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6/20/07 at 7:51pm
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Originally Posted by mrpiddly View Post

...as how many sites will completly redesign themselves just for the iPhone?

Those that care about the iPhone user base. Those that don't, will be better to use since the Flash ads and banners (vertical or horizontal) won't load

Right now with Safari 3.0 (it's actually quite stable) I can see the AppleInsider site well without any pop unders/ pop ups which used to plague me for a while when using Firefox.

On an iPhone the AppleInsider site will look better because no Flash Ads...
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