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Originally Posted by BlackSummerNight View Post

Damn it, forgot about the "no mms" support. Sheeesh.

How is it that this phone, with it's great picture capabilities can't send MMS. Sheesh I'm peeved. I know they did it for a reason, but I love this feature.

I've never sent an MMSever. Even though I get 200 of them a month.

MMS was invented for phones that can't do real email. iPhone can view and create emails with attached photos. I don't really see a need for MMS.
post #42 of 87
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I hope people are capable of making a distinction between "what I'm paying now for x services" and "highway robbery if it's much more than that."

I currently pay Verizon $59 for 900 talk minutes. Somebody else might pay less to another carrier, or less for fewer talk minutes, or some modest amount for "unlimited texting", or "unlimited data" on a hand-set that isn't really set up for much thorughput, etc.

None of that has much to do with a plan from AT&T that might include, say, some number of talk minutes and "unlimited data" on a phone that by design is a big bandwidth user.

An $80 or so plan that includes some reasonable number of talk minutes and a good amount of internet time would by no means be outrageous-- it would be pretty reasonable.

$100 for same would be, let's say, not startling, while much over that would be a problem, if only as a mass-market psychology kind of thing.

A person who is paying $19 for 200 talk minutes may be taken aback by a voice/data plan that costs quite a bit more, but that doesn't mean that AT&T would be evil extortionists for charging more.

If people are happy with a few hundred talk minutes and unlimited texting with some (rarely used because it's awkward) "internet" thrown in, then they probably shouldn't be getting an iPhone, which almost certainly will be married to a voice/data plan that reflects what it is designed for.

When people say $29 or $59 for this or that, are they talking actual cost, or pre-tax? That makes a huge difference. My plan is only $69 a month, but my bill is $85 a month, once all the taxes and surcharges are added. Let's keep the comparisons fair.

I know that Sprint is generally cheaper than AT&T; I just want to know how much cheaper in reality.
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They've got that covered. It's called dropped call. I don't think anyone has ever actually completed a cell phone conversation of more than 5 minutes. Even Verizon to Verizon with maximum signal strength still drops regularly in my experience.

I've almost never had a dropped call, except when someone is calling me from Manhattan, and is moving around in a car.

I suppose you're joking, but still...
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Originally Posted by BRussell View Post

The whole idea of plans that aren't unlimited just blows my mind. Who wants to count the number of minutes they talk or the kilobytes that they transmit?

YUCK! Steve Jobs
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

I've almost never had a dropped call, except when someone is calling me from Manhattan, and is moving around in a car.

I suppose you're joking, but still...

I seldom get dropped calls, except when driving over certain hills in SF.
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I think carriers are wary of "unlimited" talk time for fear that teens will just stay on the phone 24/7 whether they're talking or not.

I think that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

I think everything you say is shit.

I think you're a liar. That's right, I think you're a filthy, lying, rat-bastard son-of-a-bitch.
And I'm gonna tell all of my friends not to listen to a word you say, you lousy, useless, moron.

Oh I hope you're happy! I hope you're happy, now that you've just propogated a vile lie in this good and wholesome forum where people are free to express their views without persecution. I hope you're happy because now everyone thinks teens will just stay on the phone 24/7 whether they're talking or not! And maybe you'll convince some, but I know... ohh I know that that's a flat out LIE!

j/k
post #47 of 87
An AT&T spokesman has denied that they will wait until the 29th.

http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/new...-earlier/10375

Go Banana, got prozac??
post #48 of 87
It's not a matter of what your phone can do, it's what the capabilities of the other persons phone. Most people don't have phones that do "real" email. So unless you want to give them a call to tell them to check their email every time you send them a message, you'll need MMS. My phone does "REAL" email, but not many of my friends phones do, but pretty much all current gen phones do MMS.
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I've never sent an MMSever. Even though I get 200 of them a month.

MMS was invented for phones that can't do real email. iPhone can view and create emails with attached photos. I don't really see a need for MMS.
post #49 of 87
I think carriers are wary of "unlimited" talk time for fear that teens will just stay on the phone 24/7 whether they're talking or not.[/QUOTE]


also, limiting voice and data usage helps to increase battery life, think about it, if you are sweating how many minutes or how much data you have left for the month, you won't spend that extra time on the phone talking or on the net looking up some unimportant BS
post #50 of 87
Seems like this phone is geared to the gadget freaks and iPod lovers. I'm not really going to be doing anything crucial to mankind on this phone. Most of it will be unimportant BS. I wonder how appleinsider will look on Safari for iPhone.
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I think carriers are wary of "unlimited" talk time for fear that teens will just stay on the phone 24/7 whether they're talking or not.

also, limiting voice and data usage helps to increase battery life, think about it, if you are sweating how many minutes or how much data you have left for the month, you won't spend that extra time on the phone talking or on the net looking up some unimportant BS[/QUOTE]
post #51 of 87
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I've almost never had a dropped call, except when someone is calling me from Manhattan, and is moving around in a car.

I suppose you're joking, but still...

Yeah it was a joke, I forgot the smiley. But it is annoying. Both of our phones are brand new and high quality, but they still drop for no apparent reason. Unexpectedly I was getting perfect reception 30 feet below ground in the airport train but then dropped while sitting at the gate waiting area next to the window.

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Go Banana, got prozac??

Ohhh, ohh... think you're funny do ya?

Shut your mouth or Ill shut it for ya. And if you think Im kidding, just try me. Try me! Because I would love it!!

j/k
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Originally Posted by Go Banana View Post

Ohhh, ohh... think you're funny do ya?

Shut your mouth or I’ll shut it for ya. And if you think I’m kidding, just try me. Try me! Because I would love it!!

j/k

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post #54 of 87
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An AT&T spokesman has denied that they will wait until the 29th.

http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/new...-earlier/10375

According to AT&T spokesman Mark Siegel, a report today that AT&T will wait until the day of iPhone’s launch to disclose rate plans for the device is inaccurate. “We will disclose before the 29th,” said Siegel, noting that customers will be able to show up at stores that day knowing how much they will be charged for both the Apple-developed hardware and AT&T’s cellular service plans. “It’s not going to be anything exotic,” Siegel told iLounge, confirming that there will be separate voice and data services components to its iPhone service plans, rather than the one-size-fits-all plans some had expected. As previously stated by both companies, and re-confirmed by Siegel, a two-year service commitment will still be required. Oh, why don't they just tell us already!
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Should certain locations sell out, the exec said sales people will take mail orders from customers, and the iPhones will be shipped in 3 to 5 days. To discourage scalpers, the carrier also plans to limit how many phones each customer can buy, but has not said how many that will be.


I guess this confirms that you don't have to sign up for a plan in order to buy the phone... So it should be a short time before the phone is unlocked and we can use it with other carriers...

I predict ebay in canada is going to be selling these like hot cakes in a few weeks...
post #56 of 87
I'm betting that AT&T will charge $49 for unlimited internet/visual voicemail plus standard prices for however many minutes you want. It's simple and people will pay it.
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post #57 of 87
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Ohhh, ohh... think you're funny do ya?

Yes.
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I can personally vouch for Cingular's beefing up the EDGE network over the last few months. I regularly get 150-190 kbit/sec on my Treo now, whereas I hardly ever got more than 100k six months ago. This is in San Francisco (and on a recent trip to Oregon).

And for all of the Californians planning on driving up to Oregon, make sure you have the GoogleMap already on the phone before trying to drive Forest Service roads in the winter.
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post #59 of 87
How true.
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post #60 of 87
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I've never sent an MMSever. Even though I get 200 of them a month.

MMS was invented for phones that can't do real email. iPhone can view and create emails with attached photos. I don't really see a need for MMS.

I have never sent an MMS either, but received several. The thing is, there are far more phones capable of sending MMS (vs. email with attachment).

On AT&T network, when you receive MMS and your phone (e.g., iPhone) is not capable of viewing it, it will arrive in the form of SMS with a URL where you can view the contents. Perhaps that's a workable solution for some, but I would like to be able to view it.
post #61 of 87
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Originally Posted by Go Banana View Post

I think that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

I think everything you say is shit.

I think you're a liar. That's right, I think you're a filthy, lying, rat-bastard son-of-a-bitch.
And I'm gonna tell all of my friends not to listen to a word you say, you lousy, useless, moron.

Oh I hope you're happy! I hope you're happy, now that you've just propogated a vile lie in this good and wholesome forum where people are free to express their views without persecution. I hope you're happy because now everyone thinks teens will just stay on the phone 24/7 whether they're talking or not! And maybe you'll convince some, but I know... ohh I know that that's a flat out LIE!

j/k

I like it better when you don't post.
post #62 of 87
i have a bad feeling apple is going to try to tie in some kind of itunes integration into the service contract, or worse yet, .mac

i'm sure that would be enough to make verizon say no thanks.
post #63 of 87
He did say they are about to start building up .Mac.
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i have a bad feeling apple is going to try to tie in some kind of itunes integration into the service contract, or worse yet, .mac

i'm sure that would be enough to make verizon say no thanks.
post #64 of 87
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He did say they are about to start building up .Mac.

Here's hoping that .Mac will now truly find itself while remaining the same cost. Mac-to-Mac file sharing via Leopard looks very promising.
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Here's hoping that .Mac will now truly find itself while remaining the same cost. Mac-to-Mac file sharing via Leopard looks very promising.

Yeah. If they hold the line on price while making .mac an integrated part of the whole convergence strategy-- with functionality across multiple Macs, iPhone and Apple TV-- they might really have something.

Plus, it would be nice to see Apple take a cool idea that they have let languish and run with it, for once, instead of just letting it die a slow death (airport express, mini, I'm looking at you).
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post #66 of 87
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i have a bad feeling apple is going to try to tie in some kind of itunes integration into the service contract, or worse yet, .mac

i'm sure that would be enough to make verizon say no thanks.

Nah. I don't see that happening. I think the reason they're making everyone sign up for an iTunes account is that they want to sell you ringtones, and eventually games.

.Mac will continue to improve over time, but it won't ever be required in any contract. It'll just give bonus features to those who do sign up.
post #67 of 87
My main concern with the way that Apple is handling its iPhone introduction has to do, increasingly, with a misjudgment I seem to have made early on. I thought that Apple will do to a moribund, atavistic, consumer-unfriendly cellphone service provider industry what it did to a similarly afflicted music industry: kick their butts to improve their business model. Instead, Apple seems to be encouraging these idiots to piggyback on its own seeming arrogance vis-a-vis this 'hot' product (the company behaved VERY differently with its iPod intro).

That said, I am going to buy one, since I am weak (and I have a $600 Apple gift card to burn).
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How can you be raped if its entirely your choice. Buy it/Don't buy it.

It is called Seduction. Raping by slow seduction
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post #69 of 87
If the service plans on these things really do end up in the $60-100 range they'll never be more than a slice of the business market. If they really want the iPhone to be a mainsteam consumer device, the monthly charges will have to be a LOT lower.
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If the service plans on these things really do end up in the $60-100 range they'll never be more than a slice of the business market. If they really want the iPhone to be a mainsteam consumer device, the monthly charges will have to be a LOT lower.

It's the business market, at least for medium, and large, corporations, that doesn't mind paying the higher rates.

Larger users of these services, such as CitiCorp, where my wife works, which has given her a Blackberry, get discounted rates for the volume.
post #71 of 87
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Originally Posted by bsenka View Post

$60-100 range

That's quite a range. $60 wouldn't be bad for unlimited data + calls, $100 would suck pretty bad.
post #72 of 87
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Originally Posted by BRussell View Post

That's quite a range. $60 wouldn't be bad for unlimited data + calls, $100 would suck pretty bad.

How many talk minutes are you expecting for those amounts?
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Here's hoping that .Mac will now truly find itself while remaining the same cost. Mac-to-Mac file sharing via Leopard looks very promising.

I'm hoping that the integration of doing everything through .mac will make Mac2Mac as secure as a dedicated system in larger corporations. That is where I see Macs really increasing in the soho markets - giving consumers the advantages of proApps in elegant, inexpensive, standard packages.

.mac could make sure priveleges and such are consistent for each member and having Apple running the servers allows for quick upgrades, etc. as long as it actually dedicates the resources to it. With possible evolutionary steps with iTunes, iPhones and ATV's, there will be a tremendous amount of leverage for the company that can help distribute services over multiple platforms and on multiple devices and each new device just adds to the advantages. That is where Apple's h/w s/w models excel and the other companies get bogged down in tacking convergent features on divergent devices.
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post #74 of 87
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How many talk minutes are you expecting for those amounts?

For more than $60? That better be unlimited.
post #75 of 87
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Originally Posted by bsenka View Post

For more than $60? That better be unlimited.

Who gives that?
post #76 of 87
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Originally Posted by mstone View Post

They've got that covered. It's called dropped call. I don't think anyone has ever actually completed a cell phone conversation of more than 5 minutes. Even Verizon to Verizon with maximum signal strength still drops regularly in my experience.

Uhh... You might want to change services then. I regularly have 1 hour to 3 hour straight conversations on AT&T.
post #77 of 87
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For more than $60? That better be unlimited.

I think everyone expecting a 'customer friendly' price cut are in for a rude awakening. I see them staying pat and offering the same old voice and data plans that they currently offer.

Comparing business to average consumers is a mistake because deals always get worked out by business buying in volume, as an average customer we don't have any leverage other than buying a different phone and plan, but thats not really leverage it's just a choice..
post #78 of 87
They must be offering something that is different from what they already offer, why else would they keep it secret right up until the launch? I think they don't want to give competitors the chance to offer the same type of offer to keep thier subscibers from leaving. My guess is that it's going to be cheaper than the current unlimited PDA plan - in the $20 to $30 range for unlimited data, with X amount of SMS, etc. You're voice plan will be whatever they currently offer.
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They've got that covered. It's called dropped call. I don't think anyone has ever actually completed a cell phone conversation of more than 5 minutes. Even Verizon to Verizon with maximum signal strength still drops regularly in my experience.

In your case I would say...It's the Network.

When my wife and I were courting each other we had a few phone calls (late at night with unlimited minutes) that were 3 hours plus. I'm on T-Mobile and she's on Verizon.
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post #80 of 87
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They must be offering something that is different from what they already offer, why else would they keep it secret right up until the launch? I think they don't want to give competitors the chance to offer the same type of offer to keep thier subscibers from leaving. My guess is that it's going to be cheaper than the current unlimited PDA plan - in the $20 to $30 range for unlimited data, with X amount of SMS, etc. You're voice plan will be whatever they currently offer.


I hope I'm wrong, I'm an AT&T customer, I would benefit from a good deal if I decide to go with the iPhone. We are talking about one week though, would it really cost them customers if they came out with a great plan right now? No, it wouldn't it would probably increase them if they were going to offer a great plan. But on the other hand if they came out with a plan that was either the same or worse then it could keep people away. Competitors couldn't get advertising together in time to lure people or keep them to their service at this point, time wouldn't permit it. We will see soon though.

[edit: removed a sentence at the beginning came out completely wrong...]
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