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post #1 of 38
6/21/07 at 9:48am
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Minutes after Apple released an update to its Tiger operating system on Wednesday, curious users began sifting through the software's installer packages, turning up a new Yahoo! framework and possible hints at forthcoming iMac revisions.

YahooSync

In an e-mail, one AppleInsider reader pointed out that Mac OS X 10.4.10 Update installs a new framework called "YahooSync," which can be found in the "PrivateFrameworks" system directory.

Apple made no mention of the addition in release notes accompany the Tiger update, leading to speculation that the code is being added to support Yahoo!'s "push" IMAP email feature, which is expected to ship as part of iPhone later this month, or the handset's ability to sync with Yahoo! address books.

New iMac display vendors

Meanwhile, AppleInsider forum member "bogg" discovered that the Mac OS X 10.4.10 Update installs several new "display" vendor resources, four of which are appear to be associated with Apple's iMac line.

The forum member speculates the additions could indicate that Apple's upcoming line of summer iMacs will include updated LCD panels or more simply panels from a different vendor.
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post #2 of 38
6/21/07 at 10:04am
Let's give credit to both AppleInsider people, not just "bogg", shall we? Thank you.

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post #3 of 38
6/21/07 at 10:35am
Just a thought, I guess this info backs up the AppleInsider report that we will see a New iMac before year end, now, before Leopard in October.
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post #4 of 38
6/21/07 at 10:47am
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Just a thought, I guess this info backs up the AppleInsider report that we will see a New iMac before year end, now, before Leopard in October.

No. All it does it confirm that, perhaps, Apple is possibly working on iMac updates and someone in the development process shoved the display information into the current OS, as they're thinking ahead. But it isn't proof that they will appear before Leopard, as they may get delayed by other potential issues.

Keep in mind, I believe this is the same type of information gleaned from OS X that was proof of the imminent delivery of the PowerBook G5!
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post #5 of 38
6/21/07 at 11:15am
Speaking up the OS update, ejecting a mounting is a bitch.

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post #6 of 38
6/21/07 at 12:14pm
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Let's give credit to both AppleInsider people, not just "bogg", shall we? Thank you.

Was it you?

Maybe they didn't know how to credit him/her since it was from an email - you wouldn't want to put their email address in the article.
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post #7 of 38
6/21/07 at 12:26pm
It seems a little odd that Apple doesn't have a "new" desktop in place for the iPhone launch. When you have the most talked-about product in recent history coming, it would make sense to have a redesigned new iMac handy to upsell to "go with" the phone. They updated the MacBooks, but not everyone is in the market for a laptop. With the video features of the iPhone, it would also make sense to have a video-pumped and style-refreshed new Mac to match it with (in a marketing sense).

On the other hand, with everyone so consumed by iPhone fever, maybe the new Macs could be out on Tuesday (to give the stores time to get them prepped and ready for the iPhone launch). Since everyone seems to be looking one direction, it should be easy enough for Apple to slip in a new iMac under the radar.

At worst, it seems I'll only have to wait a couple of weeks after getting the phone, but still...
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post #8 of 38
6/21/07 at 12:30pm
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Speaking up the OS update, ejecting a mounting is a bitch.

Ugh, yes! Not that it's terribly relevant to this thread. But wtf? This is one of the worst designed and most confounding parts of OS 10. Since they've apparently decided to re-do the networking UI to address complaints of its lack of simplicity, I wonder if they'll do the same for un-mounting.
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post #9 of 38
6/21/07 at 12:46pm
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Speaking up the OS update, ejecting a mounting is a bitch.

You mean after the update? I'm not having a problem....

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Ugh, yes! Not that it's terribly relevant to this thread. But wtf? This is one of the worst designed and most confounding parts of OS 10. Since they've apparently decided to re-do the networking UI to address complaints of its lack of simplicity, I wonder if they'll do the same for un-mounting.

What are you talking about? You mean, in general, unmounting is counfounding? You just drag it to the trash. Or hit cmd-E. Or hit the eject button in finder view. wtf is badly designed about that?
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post #10 of 38
6/21/07 at 12:46pm
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Let's give credit to both AppleInsider people, not just "bogg", shall we? Thank you.

Yo, bogg is gonna be famous. And mr. spam just got left behind
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post #11 of 38
6/21/07 at 12:51pm
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Let's give credit to both AppleInsider people, not just "bogg", shall we? Thank you.

Yes, lest we send some anonymous nerd to bed in tears for not getting their proper recognition.
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post #12 of 38
6/21/07 at 1:04pm
meelash, while I agree that the 'war' we are in is ridiculous, I can't help but be amazed at the second part of your siggie. Are you saying Somalia was peaceful and fuzzy all over before US involvement despite mass starvation and warring gangs waging battles all over major cities? And that Afghanistan was a model for safety and crime deterrant despite being the worlds biggest opium farmland?

Revisionist history sure is short-term nowdays.
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post #13 of 38
6/21/07 at 1:14pm
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What are you talking about? You mean, in general, unmounting is counfounding? You just drag it to the trash. Or hit cmd-E. Or hit the eject button in finder view. wtf is badly designed about that?

What's badly designed is that it doesn't work, much of the time. Sometimes it will just sit there and fail to unmount. Other times you'll get the dreaded "this volume is in use" message, which often means the Finder or some other aspect of the operating system is still using it somehow, thus you have no way either of discovering what the problem is or rectifying it (I've seen cases where even lsof is of no help). Of course, even when it is something fixable (such as having a file open in some gui application), it's not necessarily obvious to the user, and the OS provides no additional info to help track down the problem. This is extremely, extremely irritating, and one of the things that Windows frankly does better. Also, there is no known method of software "force eject" for when nothing else will work Only restarting the computer will do in that instance.
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post #14 of 38
6/21/07 at 1:24pm
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meelash, while I agree that the 'war' we are in is ridiculous, I can't help but be amazed at the second part of your siggie. Are you saying Somalia was peaceful and fuzzy all over before US involvement despite mass starvation and warring gangs waging battles all over major cities? And that Afghanistan was a model for safety and crime deterrant despite being the worlds biggest opium farmland?

Revisionist history sure is short-term nowdays.

And while I agree with your point, this is just a pet peeve of mine: "revisionist" is not an epithet! It means any history that revises the conclusions of previous historians based on new evidence or new methods of analysis (and yes, sometimes current prevailing ideas, too). It's not in and of itself a bad thing, and it's not the same thing as willful distortion of known historical facts, much less ignorance of them.
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post #15 of 38
6/21/07 at 1:33pm
I got my propaganda i got revisionism.
I got my violence in high def ultra-realism. [on a new iMac1080P]
All a part of this great nation.
I got my fist I got my plan I got survivalism.
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post #16 of 38
6/21/07 at 2:53pm
I guess it comes down to point of view...

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Are you saying Somalia was peaceful and fuzzy all over before US involvement

Provided your last name was Aideed and not Barre that would be an accurate statement, unless we are talking pre-1991. From 1969 to 1991 the opposite would be true.

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Afghanistan was a model for safety and crime deterrant

I think the Taliban had crime beat. They just had an extremely perverted definition of "crime". Maybe Meelash doesn't think girls should go to school after the age of 8, or women should be allowed to take a taxi without a make chaperone. Maybe he has an issue with music, the shaving of beards, the keeping of pigeons, the flying kites, displaying pictures or portraits, western hairstyles, or music and dancing at weddings.

Not that any of that is an excuse for a large chunk of US foreign policy under discussion. It just Meelash may have a differing view on world events, and might not be the life of the party.

Back on track, though, Yahoo!??? I thought Google was going to be the wave of the future? Why sync with Yahoo?
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post #17 of 38
6/21/07 at 2:59pm
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And that Afghanistan was a model for safety and crime deterrant despite being the worlds biggest opium farmland?

Well i thought that since the US and the Major Western 'civilizations' are easily the worlds biggest consumer of opium based products then the demand certainly encourages the supply and where there is a market some enterprising Afghani will no doubt exploit it.
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post #18 of 38
6/21/07 at 3:10pm
In fact under the Taliban opium cultivation was nearly eliminated. Under US installed democrocy we decided it was cheeper to let them generate their own source of wealth rather than put them all on aid so opium cultivation is at record levels. In Somalia once we left order was enforced. Not peacefully but it is order.
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post #19 of 38
6/21/07 at 3:27pm
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You mean after the update? I'm not having a problem..

Yeah, I'm having a few issues. I can't seem to eject any disk images. I'm having wicked trouble with the Finder, and iTunes and Mail are majorly slow in opening up. Just to clarify I wasn't having these issues in 10.4.9

I'm also having trouble downloading any file, the problem is with Safari's download manager, it hangs for some time before downloads begin. Those of you who would like to join me back on 10.4.9 click here (intel version).

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post #20 of 38
6/21/07 at 5:26pm
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No. All it does it confirm that, perhaps, Apple is possibly working on iMac updates ...
Keep in mind, I believe this is the same type of information gleaned from OS X that was proof of the imminent delivery of the PowerBook G5!

Always a downer, thank you.


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This is extremely, extremely irritating, and one of the things that Windows frankly does better. Also, there is no known method of software "force eject" for when nothing else will work Only restarting the computer will do in that instance.

While I haven't had much trouble mounting or unmounting HDs at home (on a Mac), I have had all sorts of trouble with trying to unmount thumb drives at work (on a Dell w/ XP). I have exactly the same problem you describe--the drive is announced as unable to eject or whatever. Even closing every single window on the machine and it is still in use. 'Course, its just a thumb drive--I can just pull it out, but I know your pain.
I haven't upgraded to .10 yet, guess I will wait if it is causing problems...
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post #21 of 38
6/21/07 at 5:54pm
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What's badly designed is that it doesn't work, much of the time. Sometimes it will just sit there and fail to unmount. Other times you'll get the dreaded "this volume is in use" message, which often means the Finder or some other aspect of the operating system is still using it somehow, thus you have no way either of discovering what the problem is or rectifying it (I've seen cases where even lsof is of no help). Of course, even when it is something fixable (such as having a file open in some gui application), it's not necessarily obvious to the user, and the OS provides no additional info to help track down the problem. This is extremely, extremely irritating, and one of the things that Windows frankly does better. Also, there is no known method of software "force eject" for when nothing else will work Only restarting the computer will do in that instance.

WOW , my case is totally opposite. I admit i havent owned mac for long , just PowerMac G5 , PowerMac G5 Quad and now Mac Pro 8 core , but in neither of those systems have i ever experienced stubborn Volume. ( about 3 years ).

Now Windowx XP is whole another ball game. USB drives NEVER unmount , on first try. NEVER. Sometimes i get lucky and 2nd , 3rd try is a go , but most of the time it's 50 - 50 chance that i'll have to reboot PC to be able to turn off my backup disk.

Oh and Windows is not much better in telling you why drive isnt unmounting. It just give you same msg over and over again , "Drive is in use , etc etc , " so please dont spead the fud.
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post #22 of 38
6/21/07 at 6:03pm
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Was it you?

Maybe they didn't know how to credit him/her since it was from an email - you wouldn't want to put their email address in the article.

Nope, wasn't me.

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post #23 of 38
6/21/07 at 6:05pm
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Yo, bogg is gonna be famous. And mr. spam just got left behind

No, still wasn't me.

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post #24 of 38
6/21/07 at 6:05pm
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Yes, lest we send some anonymous nerd to bed in tears for not getting their proper recognition.

'twasn't me, honest!

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post #25 of 38
6/21/07 at 6:07pm
Holy carbs! Only took a few lines to go off into a rathole about dismounting disks... AppleInsider, I hardly knew ye.

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post #26 of 38
6/21/07 at 7:30pm
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Holy carbs! Only took a few lines to go off into a rathole about dismounting disks... AppleInsider, I hardly knew ye.

In the process of doing a 10.4.9 clean install, I've had enough with this shit. This is worst OS X update I've seen as far as I'm concerned. I was always the one who wondered; why are you guys having issues it just works for me, well not this time. Clean install here I come. I may even try installing that other cat and give it a go

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post #27 of 38
6/21/07 at 8:41pm
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What's badly designed is that it doesn't work, much of the time. Sometimes it will just sit there and fail to unmount. Other times you'll get the dreaded "this volume is in use" message, which often means the Finder or some other aspect of the operating system is still using it somehow, thus you have no way either of discovering what the problem is or rectifying it (I've seen cases where even lsof is of no help). Of course, even when it is something fixable (such as having a file open in some gui application), it's not necessarily obvious to the user, and the OS provides no additional info to help track down the problem. This is extremely, extremely irritating, and one of the things that Windows frankly does better. Also, there is no known method of software "force eject" for when nothing else will work Only restarting the computer will do in that instance.

Fair enough on every count except for the "Windows frankly does better." Unless Vista is different in this respect, I'm pretty sure the message in Windows is just a generic, "this volume is in use" that does not point out what application is using it. I agree it's frustrating though, if you have a lot of apps open at once to have to try and figure out which one might be using the disk in question.
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post #28 of 38
6/21/07 at 9:07pm
Fuck man peoples don't hijack this thread. If you got issues with someone's sig PM them and take it to AppleOutsider. Or in relation to OS 10.4.10 go to the relevant threads.
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post #29 of 38
6/21/07 at 9:22pm
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Nope, wasn't me.



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I got my propaganda i got revisionism.
I got my violence in high def ultra-realism. [on a new iMac1080P]
All a part of this great nation.
I got my fist I got my plan I got survivalism.

Nice. The only worthwhile off-topic post in this thread.

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Originally Posted by Louzer View Post

No. All it does it confirm that, perhaps, Apple is possibly working on iMac updates and someone in the development process shoved the display information into the current OS, as they're thinking ahead. But it isn't proof that they will appear before Leopard, as they may get delayed by other potential issues.

Keep in mind, I believe this is the same type of information gleaned from OS X that was proof of the imminent delivery of the PowerBook G5!

Fair enough. The iMac is deadly due for an update though, it will hit 1 year old in September or so. In this case even minor bumps are very likely, and the roadmap is very clear (2GB, SantaRosa elements, nVidia 8-series...)

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It seems a little odd that Apple doesn't have a "new" desktop in place for the iPhone launch. When you have the most talked-about product in recent history coming, it would make sense to have a redesigned new iMac handy to upsell to "go with" the phone. They updated the MacBooks, but not everyone is in the market for a laptop. With the video features of the iPhone, it would also make sense to have a video-pumped and style-refreshed new Mac to match it with (in a marketing sense).

On the other hand, with everyone so consumed by iPhone fever, maybe the new Macs could be out on Tuesday (to give the stores time to get them prepped and ready for the iPhone launch). Since everyone seems to be looking one direction, it should be easy enough for Apple to slip in a new iMac under the radar.

At worst, it seems I'll only have to wait a couple of weeks after getting the phone, but still...

Very interesting. The only thing we know is that outside of June29th and the onset of Leopard October and HolidayBuyingFrenzy December, is where we will see new iMacs and new iPods.

I do not think iMacs would come out next Tuesday, though as you mention this will cash in on iPhone hype. If not next Tuesday, August 2007 is probably latest for iMacs, since anything in September is "no-mans-land", since Leopard is just out in October. Unless new iMacs released in September and free upgrade to Leopard. But this would mean that they would have to free-upgrade every single new Mac bought in September. Unlikely.

So timeline looks to be 2-5 weeks after iPhone launch, new iMacs (July to mid-August), November for new iPods. So we have

June/July iPhone massive
August iMac round-out
September Leopard hype-building
October Leopard
November new iPods
December GO FRICKIN NUTSSSSS!!! arhgjkdhskhgjhhgjll
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post #30 of 38
6/21/07 at 9:24pm
January MacWorldSF 2008 :: ultralight 10" MacBookPro, iWork'08, iLife'08, ONE MORE THING, ONE LAST THING.
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post #31 of 38
6/21/07 at 10:46pm
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Fuck man peoples don't hijack this thread. If you got issues with someone's sig PM them and take it to AppleOutsider. Or in relation to OS 10.4.10 go to the relevant threads.

Here by popular demand, a whole thread dedicated to my signature. Now those who dare question my opinions can pepper me with questions and/or insults at will and be struck down by my righteous correctness!

And hey, this thread is kind of about 10.4.10. bada-dada-bing!
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post #32 of 38
6/22/07 at 12:53am
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I got my propaganda i got revisionism.
I got my violence in high def ultra-realism. [on a new iMac1080P]
All a part of this great nation.
I got my fist I got my plan I got survivalism.

i love nin, and i dug Year Zero btu that is the worst song off that album
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post #33 of 38
6/22/07 at 6:34am
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Fair enough on every count except for the "Windows frankly does better." Unless Vista is different in this respect, I'm pretty sure the message in Windows is just a generic, "this volume is in use" that does not point out what application is using it. I agree it's frustrating though, if you have a lot of apps open at once to have to try and figure out which one might be using the disk in question.

I've noticed SP2 is more concerned than SP1 about volumes being in use. My laptop is still SP1, and I rarely get any sort of message when trying to unmount. And in any event, I can still force eject. I'm not referring to USB drives though which can be easily removed physically -- I'm talking CDs, DVDs, network mounts, disk images, that sort of thing. There is literally no way to eject an internal disc in OS X without going through the software. PCs don't have that problem, because they don't demand total software control over the drive mechanism (an idea which may sound good conceptually, but is boneheaded in practice). The eject key on Mac keyboards may be a convenience when it works, but is virtually useless if you need a hardware override, which it isn't. With a network mount, killing your network access either through System Preferences or unplugging the cable will usually do the trick, but that's not always an option and noone should have to do that. Again, not a problem for PCs, because network shares aren't "mounted" at all. And then there's the whole conceptual weirdness of 'dragging to the trash = eject', which is not such a big deal, but not necessarily the best design choice.
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post #34 of 38
6/23/07 at 5:04pm
Imacs never go on sale like this http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/sub...EN&catid=23017 Can only imagine they are trying to clear out as much stock as possible in advance...

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post #35 of 38
6/26/07 at 8:48pm
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Imacs never go on sale like this http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/sub...EN&catid=23017 Can only imagine they are trying to clear out as much stock as possible in advance...

They're the same price on apple.com too.
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post #36 of 38
6/26/07 at 9:06pm
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They're the same price on apple.com too.

hmm... I think they were this same price at least as early as March 26, cause I have an email I sent to a friend who was asking about them on that date, and I have that price listed.
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post #37 of 38
6/27/07 at 7:53am
i think there will be a new iMac soon. this is actually the first time i have had a computer that i dont want a new one. i love my 24 inch iMac. they can bring on a new one for all i care. i absolutely love this thing. Cant wait for Leopard.
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6/27/07 at 8:52am
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hmm... I think they were this same price at least as early as March 26, cause I have an email I sent to a friend who was asking about them on that date, and I have that price listed.

So it appears not nearly as interesting as I thought...Darn...

Going to buy my first Mac in Nov after it comes with Leopard pre-installed. Be interested to see what the new iMacs are as it seems a poorly kept secret they are coming but, still need to wait and see what they will be like...

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