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post #41 of 89
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Originally Posted by mrtotes View Post

Don't you have to give like a month's notice to ditch a contract - shouldn't ppl have been leaving Sprint 29 May?

No, no notice required. You can switch anytime... just port the number over to the new carrier and AT&T will be happy to initiate it for you. WORST case with any former provider, is you have to a cancel fee of up to $250, and potentially have to pay through the next billing cycle.

But.. if you can fork out $500-$600 for an iPhone, you can fork out several hundred more on cancelled contracts. Just think about it like your water pipe broke behind the wall in your bathroom and caused a lot of damage and it cost a few arms and legs to get it all fixed.

That's all this is... just an emergency fix... but, once corrected... life will be great.
post #42 of 89
Here are a couple nuggets from my company's "Telecommunications Administrator" who is defending our corporate package w/ Sprint:

"I'm hearing the iPhone is full of bugs"

"Just wait 5 months and Sprint & Nextel will have something just like it"
post #43 of 89
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Originally Posted by superdork View Post

Now for a more balanced view...

nothing like announcing one's wisdom ahead of time, kinda like a politician or FOXNEWS

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...As a current AT&T customer EDGE is way slow. It's faster than dial up, but not by much.
I've seen Sprint's speeds and they are faster period....

by "seeing" SPRINT's speeds did you mean actually USING them?? or was it a demo on utube?

when EVDO does work it is undeniably faster, but it isn't demonic - and uploads.. please!
any time you are on the road, in a train or car, connections frequently drop out OR often cut to less than EDGE rates -

the key is WIFI, with EDGE backup, a solid browsing experience and the screen estate - if all that blends well and works as "seen", and it sure seems like it will, Pearlie and Palmie will be hurtin pretty bad. 5 years with Apple T&T won't seem as ridiculous then
post #44 of 89
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Originally Posted by Hunnicutt View Post

Here are a couple nuggets from my company's "Telecommunications Administrator" who is defending our corporate package w/ Sprint:

"I'm hearing the iPhone is full of bugs"

"Just wait 5 months and Sprint & Nextel will have something just like it"

my IT DEPT is not supporting IMAP (BUMMER) only Exchange.

They (APPLE) must have a solution up thier sleeve otherwise they are loosing a large chunk of thier supposed demographic.
post #45 of 89
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Originally Posted by BlackSummerNight View Post

They don't make phones, they only sell the services. How can they make a better product. There are some nice smartphones out there, it just depends on what you're looking for.

No, US carriers don't make the phones, but they are a limiting factor since they choose what phones to offer with their services, and those phones are what are subsidized.

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Originally Posted by jamesfabin View Post

If Sprint can count external media cards as additional storage

Don't you put the card into the device? What I've done with many of my devices is that if the card gets too full, I can just upgrade the card.

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Originally Posted by MacD View Post

"Of course we have MP3 phones" is one of the lame responses. The thing is, what Sprint doesn't get, is it is not just that you want an MP3 player, you want one that works with iTunes. What Sprint should have did was got in bed with Apple and iTunes and they might be enjoying the success AT&T is going to have in a few days. But no, they went and launched their own music service, wow... that was bright! Whoever thought of that idea should have been fired long ago.

It isn't as if Sprint launched their music service as a response to iPhone, like your wording seems to suggest. Sprint launched their service in October 2005. The only thing Sprint changed in recent months is the price of the tracks, Sprint was absurd with their old pricing.
post #46 of 89
Ok, the HTC Kaiser is nice. That's the only I was looking at.
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Originally Posted by Cpt K View Post

ditto here... looked into "touch" and "wizard" both made by HTC. I currently have iMate JAM. Nice phones. The whole "touch" thing is basicly a shell running atop WM06 which will annoy most.

My phone currently does everything iPhone does. But I will not resist that "glass of ice-water". Believe me when I say that I waste soo much time figuring out HOW to get my phone to do all these things (movies, corp email, internet, etc).

I also have been a MAC/PC user at work and all my life.

MAC = my work
PC = my games
post #47 of 89
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Originally Posted by Cpt K View Post

my IT DEPT is not supporting IMAP (BUMMER) only Exchange.

They (APPLE) must have a solution up thier sleeve otherwise they are loosing a large chunk of thier supposed demographic.

You can't loose what you don't have yet, can't you?
post #48 of 89
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Originally Posted by S10 View Post

You can't loose what you don't have yet, can't you?

not following you.
post #49 of 89
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Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post

Perhaps you would like to join in:

Voice-Unlimited night/weekend 1000 minute voice, unlimited internet

Ajhill - $69
Abster2core - $66
Addabox - $79, at the lowest, no more than $99
Hobbes - 1000 min voice (unlimited night/weekend) + limited data plan $79, + unlimited data plan $99[
Kavik - $99/month for 450 voice minutes w/ unlimited data + 1500 text messages

Sure.

I say the voice plans will be the same and the data plans will be as mentioned above for $19.99, $29.99 and $39.99. A little lower than other plans for the same services.

I think the lower cost per service is the reason Apple and AT&T have not disclosed the data plans at this point. I expect this is just another stock and PR booster just prior to it's launch.


PS: What is the easiest way for people to switch carreir while still maintaining their number?
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post #50 of 89
Sprint just moved up on my lame companies list. LOL, they just want to make themselves feal better. What **** ******S. All their phones are crap so who cares even if they do have the best coverage, you cant even use any of the features.
post #51 of 89
"The iPhone is an Apple product and has some nice features. It also has a nice price. Do you really need all those features in one device?"

post #52 of 89
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Originally Posted by Ireland View Post

I'm sure that didn't offend him

Of course not, why would it offend? (I keeed, I keeed!)

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post #53 of 89
wow just contacted cingular, and since i started a contract with them 2 months ago, i asked them if i could buy the iphone and they told me, i sure can and all i have to do is extend my contract to 2 years again, and pay $599 for the 8gb model, they also said, you can only get it at ATT stores or apple stores or apple online, and that they wont even have them at the ATT online stores for sale or take orders on the phone from anyone
post #54 of 89
Every sales training class or school I was ever sent to (in a former life) always stressed one common point. If you say one word about the competition the potential customer will have their interest peaked. If you disparage the competition the customer will surely check them out because it means you are concerned about them.

This is gonna be fun to watch. The world changes again this Friday and a lot of people are already freaking out. Sprint especially I guess.
post #55 of 89
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

No, US carriers don't make the phones, but they are a limiting factor since they choose what phones to offer with their services, and those phones are what are subsidized.

Exactly right.

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Sprint launched their service in October 2005. The only thing Sprint changed in recent months is the price of the tracks, Sprint was absurd with their old pricing.

Amen to that. $2.50 a track was hilarious. And tragic.

The instant Sprint announced the original pricing, I immediately visualized the Hindenburg... flying into a mountain... while being struck by a meteor shower. I mean... how does Sprint not see that failing?

Its things like that that make me think being a top-level executive must not be that hard. Literally, any idiot can do it... and apparently does.

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post #56 of 89
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This is gonna be fun to watch. The world changes again this Friday and a lot of people are already freaking out. Sprint especially I guess.

Absolutely. All the carriers are on guard now, but Sprint is especially freaked out, because they've been doing so badly of late, even without the iPhone to worry about.

Sprint's merger with Nextel has been going poorly, and a lot of customers are walking out on them- their churn rate is quite high right now, highest of all the national and large regional carriers, except possibly T-Mobile (who competes mainly on price, not coverage, and is used to having high churn).

Sprint is especially reliant on data customers and 'high end phone' customers, the exact ones who may be tempted most by the iPhone. So, while all the carriers are a bit worried, Sprint is probably the one who's dropping the largest fudgie in their drawers right now.

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post #57 of 89
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Originally Posted by fraklinc View Post

wow just contacted cingular, and since i started a contract with them 2 months ago, i asked them if i could buy the iphone and they told me, i sure can and all i have to do is extend my contract to 2 years again, and pay $599 for the 8gb model, they also said, you can only get it at ATT stores or apple stores or apple online, and that they wont even have them at the ATT online stores for sale or take orders on the phone from anyone

So... are you getting one?

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post #58 of 89
I currently dont have a plan so i dont have to switch if i get an iPhone
post #59 of 89
They forgot one...

"If you are a fan of any NASCAR driver that isn't Jeff Burton, then you should stay with Nextel/Sprint. The official sponsor of NASCAR as a whole."

Hey it worked for Winston... oh wait.

But who needs an iPhone when one of these bad-boys are available for over $100 cheaper...

http://nextelonline.nextel.com/NASAp...=Other+Devices
post #60 of 89
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Originally Posted by iCare View Post

I currently dont have a plan so i dont have to switch if i get an iPhone

I have been waiting 2 years to get an iPhone. I have been able to get by without a cell until about 6 months ago, and I've been able to borrow one for when I need one. I may buy an iPhone if the plan is <$50/month. However, without GPS, I may have to wait. I need GPS and don't want to buy a $200-300 device that doesn't support Macs when I can buy an iPhone that has built in Apple support.

Garmin has announced Mac support for 2 years and still hasn't produced. I would have bought one right away, but forget it if it's available on a phone (like most good phones out there).
post #61 of 89
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Originally Posted by fluidinclusion View Post

I have been waiting 2 years to get an iPhone. I have been able to get by without a cell until about 6 months ago, and I've been able to borrow one for when I need one. I may buy an iPhone if the plan is <$50/month. However, without GPS, I may have to wait. I need GPS and don't want to buy a $200-300 device that doesn't support Macs when I can buy an iPhone that has built in Apple support.

Garmin has announced Mac support for 2 years and still hasn't produced. I would have bought one right away, but forget it if it's available on a phone (like most good phones out there).

Im looking for something under $50 too
post #62 of 89
Since the legal problems right now concerning 3G networks, I'm kinda glad that the current iPhones are on Edge (up to a point obviously). Otherwise we wouldn't have them come out now since no new devices can be produced and sold (if they haven't appeared before) with 3G capabilities - at least until we hear further from the courts on this that is. But that's where the love ends.

Having said that, does anyone (with technicall know-how, no guessing please) know what it would take to upgrade a phone from something like, say, I don't know, an Edge network to a 3G network? Can it be done via a firmware upgrade or would it require all new hardware?

I'm just wondering if they planned on releasing the intitial iPhone knowing what was going on with the 3G legal woes and then waiting until it was legally resolved to introduce a phone either on the 3G network, an equivelant or something faster.

Any thoughts?
post #63 of 89
Well, as much as I like the iphone, you can't knock my plan from Sprint.

$25.00 (with taxes) for:

500 anytime minutes
6 PM Nights/Weekends
Unlimited SMS messages/picturemail/videomail
Unlimited roaming
Unlimited Power Vision high speed (which is very fast, connected to laptop 900k down)
Unlimted Sprint/Nextel calls
Telenav, Gmail, GMaps, etc

So, $300 a year. Similar AT&T plan $960+ a year plus a $500 - $6000 phone.

You tell me if Sprint is so bad?
post #64 of 89
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Originally Posted by TitoC View Post

Since the legal problems right now concerning 3G networks, I'm kinda glad that the current iPhones are on Edge (up to a point obviously). Otherwise we wouldn't have them come out now since no new devices can be produced and sold (if they haven't appeared before) with 3G capabilities - at least until we hear further from the courts on this that is. But that's where the love ends.

There's no legal problems with 3G networks, just with Qualcomm's chips that violate some patents. Phones that don't use the chips don't have problems.
post #65 of 89
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Originally Posted by lkrupp View Post

Every sales training class or school I was ever sent to (in a former life) always stressed one common point. If you say one word about the competition the potential customer will have their interest peaked. If you disparage the competition the customer will surely check them out because it means you are concerned about them.

This is gonna be fun to watch. The world changes again this Friday and a lot of people are already freaking out. Sprint especially I guess.

These are talking points when people ask about the iPhone. Not something you're supposed to be talking about the second someone comes into the store. And if someone asks about the iphone, they already know about it and want to know answers. By your logic, the sales people are supposed to go "iWhat? iPhone? Can't say I've ever heard of it." Yeah, that's as believable as anything any rep has to say about a competitors product. Do you think Apple's going to be all "Oh, the N95, that's a great phone too, you should look into it!"

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They forgot one...

"If you are a fan of any NASCAR driver that isn't Jeff Burton, then you should stay with Nextel/Sprint. The official sponsor of NASCAR as a whole."

Hey it worked for Winston... oh wait.

Winston was replaced because of some stupid law passed that prevents cigarettes companies from putting their name on anything that's in the public space, because all it does is drive kids to smoke. Thank god they went to the Nextel cup. Now they're all smoking while glued to their stupid phones texting and calling all hours of the day and night.
post #66 of 89
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Originally Posted by PeterLobl View Post

Will 'A' in AT&T stand for 'Apple' ?

As soon as the country is renamed United States of Apple........ (which, I am told, will happen as soon as Al Gore -- Apple board member, and blowhard-in-chief -- becomes our next president).

post #67 of 89
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Originally Posted by fraklinc View Post

wow just contacted cingular, and since i started a contract with them 2 months ago, i asked them if i could buy the iphone and they told me, i sure can and all i have to do is extend my contract to 2 years again, and pay $599 for the 8gb model, they also said, you can only get it at ATT stores or apple stores or apple online, and that they wont even have them at the ATT online stores for sale or take orders on the phone from anyone

At least, with the iPhone keyboard, you'll have the excuse of not having an obviously placed "shift" key (which, fyi -- or is it FYI -- appears immediately to the left of the "z" key on a regular keyboard).

(OO)PS: I noticed that you did capitalize "ATT." My apologies!
post #68 of 89
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Originally Posted by Wojciechowski View Post

They forgot one...

"If you are a fan of any NASCAR driver that isn't Jeff Burton, then you should stay with Nextel/Sprint. The official sponsor of NASCAR as a whole."

Hey it worked for Winston... oh wait.

But who needs an iPhone when one of these bad-boys are available for over $100 cheaper...

http://nextelonline.nextel.com/NASAp...=Other+Devices

Did my dad write that e-mail? Mr. Nascar, is that you?

Highlight of my day.... ha ha ha
post #69 of 89
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Originally Posted by Louzer View Post

Winston was replaced because of some stupid law passed that prevents cigarettes companies from putting their name on anything that's in the public space, because all it does is drive kids to smoke. Thank god they went to the Nextel cup. Now they're all smoking while glued to their stupid phones texting and calling all hours of the day and night.

I remember all that happening, but didn't remember if that was the only reason the name changed.

Guess they changed the name because cigarettes kill... when you are in your 40's, 50's, 60's, or never... and giving people the idea that a major sport being sponsored by an addictive substance is bad.

But no harm could possibly come from putting giant advertisements of Budweiser, Miller, Crown Royal, Jack Daniels, and Jim Beam on the hoods of glamorized cars traveling at high speeds.

post #70 of 89
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Originally posted by Louzer. There's no legal problems with 3G networks, just with Qualcomm's chips that violate some patents. Phones that don't use the chips don't have problems.


Well, the point is the same. You're right. The legal problems are NOT with the networks, but rather with the 3G chipsets. Yes, I know, it is an ongoing legal battle between Broadcom and Qualcomm, yeah, yeah, I know . . . but what I was referring to was that if Apple was to have announced in January that instead of using the Edge network, it would instead be using the 3G network (hence a 3G chip). So, then several months later, it is announced that there is a lawsuit that states NO NEW 3G chips are to be used in any new phones**. So what do we have then? Well we don't have the iPhone. At least not now. But who knows when.

So my point is still the same. Many analysts as well as people in the industry had predicted this. Or at least saw the possibility of it. So it wouldn't be too far of a stretch that AT&T as well as Apple thought "Hey, this seems to be too much of a gamble right now (for the iPhone to use only a 3G system). Why don't we use Edge for now and have the iPhone upgrade to a 3G system when the litigation settles."

And my question is still the same. Can this be done in a firmware upgrade?

**Last week, the ITC banned the import of future models of 3G mobile broadband handsets containing Qualcomm chipsets and software. - Internetnews.com June 11th, 2007
post #71 of 89
I would use the following bullet points to stop someone from getting an iPhone.

Uh, yes its a great innovative device, now you don't want every thug mugging you to get yours do you?

Hey, its $600, think of all the starving children you could feed with that money!
post #72 of 89
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Hey, its $600, think of all the starving children you could feed with that money!

Mmmm... Did somebody say calamari?
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Originally Posted by Wojciechowski View Post

Mmmm... Did somebody say calamari?

Zing!
post #74 of 89
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Originally Posted by TitoC View Post

Well, the point is the same. You're right. The legal problems are NOT with the networks, but rather with the 3G chipsets. Yes, I know, it is an ongoing legal battle between Broadcom and Qualcomm, yeah, yeah, I know . . . but what I was referring to was that if Apple was to have announced in January that instead of using the Edge network, it would instead be using the 3G network (hence a 3G chip). So, then several months later, it is announced that there is a lawsuit that states NO NEW 3G chips are to be used in any new phones**. So what do we have then? Well we don't have the iPhone. At least not now. But who knows when.

So my point is still the same. Many analysts as well as people in the industry had predicted this. Or at least saw the possibility of it. So it wouldn't be too far of a stretch that AT&T as well as Apple thought "Hey, this seems to be too much of a gamble right now (for the iPhone to use only a 3G system). Why don't we use Edge for now and have the iPhone upgrade to a 3G system when the litigation settles."

And my question is still the same. Can this be done in a firmware upgrade?

I doubt Apple saw the Qualcomm chip ban coming, or at least it happening right around the time of the iPhone launch. Stuff like that is incredibly unpredictable. It's also likely that the chip ban will be settled fairly quickly... basically the parties involved are playing chicken with one another. Stupid, but that's what happens when a lot of money's involved.

And no, a firmware upgrade alone won't make the iPhone 3G. There has to be specific hardware in there, i.e. a separate 3G radio. Doesn't seem to be in there (Apple's made no mention), but we'll know soon enough, as someone will soon do a teardown of an iPhone.

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post #75 of 89
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I doubt Apple saw the Qualcomm chip ban coming, or at least it happening right around the time of the iPhone launch. Stuff like that is incredibly unpredictable. It's also likely that the chip ban will be settled fairly quickly... basically the parties involved are playing chicken with one another. Stupid, but that's what happens when a lot of money's involved.

And no, a firmware upgrade alone won't make the iPhone 3G. There has to be specific hardware in there, i.e. a separate 3G radio. Doesn't seem to be in there (Apple's made no mention), but we'll know soon enough, as someone will soon do a teardown of an iPhone.

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Well, you need special hardware to do 802.11n wireless, too. Apple didn't officially announce it at the time (worst kept secret in history for anybody running Windows XP on their machines), but that hardware was always present and physically enabled in its Core 2 Duo Macs; all that was needed for Mac OS X users was a driver update.

Mightn't the same also be true of the iPhone and 3G?
post #76 of 89
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Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post

Perhaps you would like to join in:

Voice-Unlimited night/weekend 1000 minute voice, unlimited internet

Ajhill - $69
Abster2core - $66
Addabox - $79, at the lowest, no more than $99
Hobbes - 1000 min voice (unlimited night/weekend) + limited data plan $79, + unlimited data plan $99[
Kavik - $99/month for 450 voice minutes w/ unlimited data + 1500 text messages

From Macworld

http://iphone.macworld.com/

"In the comments section of this very blog (and in a follow-up conversation with me), Mac radio host Shawn King reports that AT&Ts monthly unlimited data plan for the iPhone will be $20. AT&Ts current SmartPhone Unlimited plan is you guessed it $20.

Meanwhile, Boy Genius Report says that according to a pretty high up source the iPlan will be around $34.99-$44.99.

Put them both together and it sounds like were talking about $55-65 a month for your iPhone service. Not dirt cheap, but not at all out of line with what people are paying for existing data phone plans."
post #77 of 89
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Originally Posted by DisneyEcho View Post

I just came from my AT&T store and the sales rep as well as the manager gave this news:

1) The voice plans will be the standard ones AT&T offers. See the AT&T website for the different plans and options.

2) The data plans will be at the exact cost of $19.99, $29.99 and $39.99 per month -- and you do NOT have the option of getting no data plan.

3) It is Apple which won't let AT&T disclose what is in these data plans until 6 pm local time Friday. (So they say...)

4) There is a huge banner outside our store saying that unlimited text messages has arrived at AT&T. Obviously this is being added because of Friday's launch of iPhone. When asked if the unlimited text message plan is one of the three that will be offered with iPhone, they could not say.

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My guess:

$39.99: Unlimited texting and data

$29.99: Some limit on the amount of data used each month, but unlimited texting

$19.99: Limits on data and texting.

For the lower cost two plans, if you go over the limit you'll have to pay a certain amount extra based on how much over you are.

Sound right to y'all?

I was wrong, and I'm glad!

"...All three plans include unlimited data, Visual Voicemail, 200 SMS text messages, roll-over minutes and unlimited mobile-to-mobile calling..."

Discussion on this forum about it, along with the complete news, is here

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post #78 of 89
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Originally Posted by DisneyEcho View Post

I was wrong, and I'm glad!

Uh.... did you check the prices?

How is $59.99 for 200 texts and unlimited data better than $39.99 for unlimited texts and data? And how is $59.99 minimum contract better than $19.99 minimum?
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post #79 of 89
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Originally Posted by Socrates View Post

Uh.... did you check the prices?

How is $59.99 for 200 texts and unlimited data better than $39.99 for unlimited texts and data? And how is $59.99 minimum contract better than $19.99 minimum?

$59.99 includes voice. It's not just the data plan.
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Well, you need special hardware to do 802.11n wireless, too. Apple didn't officially announce it at the time (worst kept secret in history for anybody running Windows XP on their machines), but that hardware was always present and physically enabled in its Core 2 Duo Macs; all that was needed for Mac OS X users was a driver update.

Mightn't the same also be true of the iPhone and 3G?

Probably not, sad to say. \

The likely reason why Apple released a software update for 802.11n AFTER including the 802.11n hardware in later model notebooks was that the 802.11n standard wasn't finished yet (still isn't, it's in 'draft' form right now, but I guess its firm enough that Apple can work with it now).

3G/HSDPA isn't in the same state. As a standard, it's been done for awhile. So there's no reason there for Apple to include the hardware, then do a software update later.

I think people who are hoping for 3G on the first version of the iPhone are engaging in some wishful thinking (I know, I do it too).

Apple will make a 3G iPhone eventually (definitely in time for the Asian release in 2008, because the iPhone will crash and burn in Japan and Korea if it doesn't have it), but this first version just does not seem to have it. Sorry.

PS- I would absolutely love to be wrong about this.

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