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post #121 of 128
6/27/07 at 5:50am
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Originally Posted by Haggar View Post

Then there are 2 other questions:

1) Can the SIM card from the iPhone be used in other AT&T phones? For example, if you are replacing your iPhone, can you take the card from the iPhone and stick it in the new phone without having to go through an activation process like Sprint and Verizon?

2) Can the iPhone use a SIM card from another AT&T phone? If I am already an AT&T customer, can I just take the SIM card from my current phone, stick it in the iPhone and have it start working right away without having to give Apple my credit card number and sign up for an iTunes store account?

1) at&t has already said that the iPhone SIM will be specially provisioned (set up and identified in at&t's system) so that it *will not* allow you to use the iPhone data plan on *any other* phone on the at&t network. Your voice plan, however, will work on another phone.

2) You can put a T-Mobile SIM card (or any other SIM card for that matter) in the iPhone, however since the iPhone is *SIM-locked* (as most contract GSM phones from at&t and T-Mobile are), it can't *use* that card for service.
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post #122 of 128
6/27/07 at 9:16am
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Originally Posted by DaveGee View Post

I give up...

Why? You were right. I was wrong. My apologies to all.

(Incidently, I now understand that the SIM card is in the middle at the top of the iPhone and can be removed using a paper clip. As well, I learned a lot about the SIM lock from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIM_lock
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post #123 of 128
6/27/07 at 12:11pm
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Originally Posted by ecking

Holy shit those are really impressive rates! I already pay close to that in Canada and get next to nothing. No wonder why rogers can't reach a deal with apple.

Hmm, i do not agree with you that the rates are impressive. Here in Finland you can use the EDGE/3G-networks as much as you like for 10/month. Unlimited surfing that is. Dunno how much you are prepared to pay, but that's like 6x the price we pay here. :P I hope the phone will be unlocked here in europe, because those prices aren't that good at least not here.

My bills will stay @ something between 20-30/month. The montly fee you have to pay is 0.66. Calls are 0.69/min and sms-messages, 0.69/message.

Finally I could add one more thing. :P It is possible here to use the old NMT-network for mobile broadband. (Smartphones) 2Mbps is 29.90/month. Compare that to the prices you seem to have in the US and Canada.
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post #124 of 128
6/27/07 at 1:43pm
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Originally Posted by m0RrE View Post

Hmm, i do not agree with you that the rates are impressive.

It's all relative. For the US, the rates are very competitive.
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post #125 of 128
6/27/07 at 4:30pm
And they make us Canadian users cry.
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post #126 of 128
6/27/07 at 7:59pm
AT&T is neither subsidizing the iPhone or discounting their rate plans for the iPhone.

However, you can purchase a subsidized smartphone and agree to a discounted two year contract with AT&T (if you are eligible to use a corporate partnership discount) that provides the same service level as the iPhone Rate Plan of your choice. Further, you will be allowed to drop SMS messaging or limit your data package later if you prefer.

Of course the other smartphones that AT&T can and will sell you will not provide you with visual voicemail or any of the other revolutionary features of the iPhone, which is much more than a smartphone.

If you want an iPhone, then you need to accept that having and using an iPhone for two years requires you to pay the full price for the iPhone and the full price for the AT&T rate plan of your choice for the whole two years.
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post #127 of 128
6/27/07 at 8:44pm
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Originally Posted by dapple View Post

AT&T is neither subsidizing the iPhone or discounting their rate plans for the iPhone.

However, you can purchase a subsidized smartphone and agree to a discounted two year contract with AT&T (if you are eligible to use a corporate partnership discount) that provides the same service level as the iPhone Rate Plan of your choice. Further, you will be allowed to drop SMS messaging or limit your data package later if you prefer.

Of course the other smartphones that AT&T can and will sell you will not provide you with visual voicemail or any of the other revolutionary features of the iPhone, which is much more than a smartphone.

If you want an iPhone, then you need to accept that having and using an iPhone for two years requires you to pay the full price for the iPhone and the full price for the AT&T rate plan of your choice for the whole two years.

I don't think this is really a big deal, really. I mean, part of the reason cell phone companies have been able to get away with terrible customer experience, crippled phone feature sets, crappy software and everything else that's wrong with the industry, is because the perceived cost savings are so great that people put up with it.

If the iPhone is going to offer phone and internet service the way it really should be, I think people will be willing to pay for it. After all, we do in every other market. Does your cable company subsidize your TV purchase? Or your IP your computer?

Apple is simply redefining the whole paradigm to what, I believe is a much healthier one. Where marketplace response to phones is felt directly by the manufacturer of the phone, and the customer experience is not dictated by the service provider.
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post #128 of 128
6/30/07 at 2:41pm
. wrong forum
Hard-Core.
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