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I think this also means that the SIM is hardwired into the phone?

For the nine-millionth time, there is a removable SIM-card slot on the top of the phone. Steve showed it the very first time the iPhone was displayed.
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I think this also means that the SIM is hardwired into the phone?
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I would expect that other carriers will soon follow with similar plans(at least for smartphones).

I am not too sure about that.

Firstly, there are major differences between the iPhone and so-called smart phones. If anything, the simplicity of the iPhone to use, activate and support would dictate that overhead costs for the former are significantly lower. Most of the support will undoubtedly fall in Apples bailiwick.

Having viewed the iPhone videos, and especially the 'activation' virtually eliminates having to go to or contact the carrier. Even to change plans. Thus reducing a significant proportion of the costs.

Equally, the functionality of the iPhone is significantly different, the ability to update via iTunes and most obvious, Apple's intent to make it even better just can't be replicated by the others in capability, cost and ease.

As most of us have experienced, purchasing a mobile plan for the old style mobiles was a frustrating experience. Servicing and support equally daunting. Likewise using whatever product we had.

As Steve stated right from the beginningthe iPhone will revolutionize the phone. So far, there is little doubt that he overstated his proclamation.
post #44 of 128
iPhone subsidized afterall?

Considering these prices are about $10 to $30 a month less than a comparable plan with another provider, that equals a two year savings of about $240 to $720, which really helps off-set the initial cost. Not bad.
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I think this also means that the SIM is hardwired into the phone?

what if the sim card is inserted after the phone as is purchased and the account information is recorded to the card by the phone during activation

one more thing.......

can someone help me get my head around this, currently itunes will not let you sync two ipods to the same itunes library, are we going to be able to sync the same library to both an ipod and an iphone?
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currently itunes will not let you sync two ipods to the same itunes library, are we going to be able to sync the same library to both an ipod and an iphone?

I think you're mistaken. You can sync an unlimited number of iPods to one library. What you can't do is sync one iPod to more than one library.

You will be able to use an unlimited number of iPhones and iPods with one library.
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post #47 of 128
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You all need to read the fine print on these things.

Taken from the AT&T site on their data connect plans. I highlighted the good parts.

So, it does mean we could connect to this forum (and other forums) and read/post using the iPhone -- right?

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One thing you FAMILY PLAN folks will want to consider...

Each additional iPhone line is $29.99 per month and not 9.99... The extra $20 is for the unlimited data... I didn't realize this at first and also the iPhone FAMILY PLAN PRICES only include ONE SINGEL LINE... I could swore they used to include TWO lines in the base price...

So the $80 iPhone family plan will cost you...

$89.99 for 1 iPhone and 1 non-iPhone (80+9.99)

OR

$109.99 for 2 iPhones (80+29.99)

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Dave, AT&T family plans used to include two phones/phone numbers. At this page: www.apple.com/iphone/easysetup/rateplans.html it says that the family plan "includes one line. Additional iPhone lines are $29.99 each." Unless this is a typo... possibly they put that rate in for each additional iPhone line AFTER two included iPhones. (if they meant the family includes the one individual line and one extra line on the family plan)

Still, the way it looks as it is printed now, two iPhones on the family plan save you $10 a month over two individual iPhones on two individual plans.

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I think this also means that the SIM is hardwired into the phone?

I doubt it's hardwired, but the fact that it's activated at home definitely seems to mean that you won't have to deal with it at all. Probably they just sell them already in the phone.

This line is interesting to me too:
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Minimum new 2-year wireless service plan and activation fee required to activate iPhone features, including iPod;

It looks like this is one way Apple is "locking" the iPhone to AT&T: You can't even use it with iTunes unless you get the contract. They don't even want you to buy it and use it for an iPod with wifi internet unless you get the contract.
post #49 of 128
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Originally Posted by tcbritt View Post

what if the sim card is inserted after the phone as is purchased and the account information is recorded to the card by the phone during activation

one more thing.......

can someone help me get my head around this, currently itunes will not let you sync two ipods to the same itunes library, are we going to be able to sync the same library to both an ipod and an iphone?

This is what I am trying to figure out.

Does the phone come with sim card already inserted?

I will be a new user, so if not, then [new accounts] will have to make a visit to a at&t store for a sim card.
post #50 of 128
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This is what I am trying to figure out.

Does the phone come with sim card already inserted?

I will be a new user, so if not, then [new accounts] will have to make a visit to a at&t store for a sim card.

In the past, I have always had new SIM cards in the box along with my contract handsets. I've never had a PAYG, but as I understand it, they come SIM free if you buy from a generic retailer.

I imagine that the iPhone will come with a new SIM in the box.
post #51 of 128
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I think this also means that the SIM is hardwired into the phone?

No no no... a GSM phone (which is what the iPhone is) must have a SIM card otherwise it's NOT a GSM phone. Having a SIM lot is MANDATORY for all GSM phones... (if the wiki is right that is)

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post #52 of 128
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I could see how some people would want more than 200 text messages, though.

Specialy with a family plan, 200 text messages can go very quickly.
post #53 of 128
Rate Plans, ease of activation - all is universally as good as people hoped / much better than people feared.

So why is the stock taking a hit today? Are there leaks of mediocre reviews about to come out?
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Rate Plans, ease of activation - all is universally as good as people hoped / much better than people feared.

So why is the stock taking a hit today? Are there leaks of mediocre reviews about to come out?

Buy on rumors, sell on news.
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Anyone think it would be possible to run some version of Skype on this phone? I've never used it, but remember it being an actual program that had to be installed. It might be interesting if someone could adapt this to run on the iPhone or if a web version was created so users could call other people on Skype for free using the unlimited data plan. Realistic or crazy?

Not legally. First Skype is a full application which you would somehow have to install around Apple's restrictions. Then if you read the plan disclaimers listed above: Prohibited III) says no VOIP allowed.
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No no no... a GSM phone (which is what the iPhone is) must have a SIM card otherwise it's NOT a GSM phone. Having a SIM lot is MANDATORY for all GSM phones... (if the wiki is right that is)

Dave

Not exactly. GSM refers to the recnology used for the radio transmitter, if it uses that, it is a GSM phone. If the sim is "hardwired" then it isn't a sim, by definition.

So while it wouldn't meet all of the criteria of what a GSM phone must have, it would still be a GSM phone.
post #57 of 128
I really wish that the iPhone would allow the use of "REAL" iChat when going between two iPhones or between iPhones and iChat users. Using SMS is pure crap and it needs to die.

With a standard phone SMS was the only way you could get a e-mail message to the user but you don't need that any more if they're a iPhone user.

Ok, e-mail does not push but who really gives a rip. When someone wants to contact me they send a SMS then you use e-mail back and forth. You don't have the text window but it does not cost me anything either.

So as I said, iChat on the iPhone should be real iChat and dump SMS unless your talking to someone that only has SMS.

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Specialy with a family plan, 200 text messages can go very quickly.
post #58 of 128
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Originally Posted by Cpt K View Post

I think this also means that the SIM is hardwired into the phone?

The iPhone has a freakin' 'SIM tray' ... the damned thing is removable.

Despite saying that, I'm certain that the question will be asked countless additional times.

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post #59 of 128
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This is what I am trying to figure out.

Does the phone come with sim card already inserted?

I will be a new user, so if not, then [new accounts] will have to make a visit to a at&t store for a sim card.

i think the phone will come with the sim card, this will make the transfer even easier when iphone v2.0 comes out
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e-mail does not push

It will via Yahoo.

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so let me get this straight, there's no sim, the size is actually 80 gigs, and it DOES have gps?
ohh, and it comes preloaded with word and excel?

now i'm really gonna have to go wait in line to "try the thing out" and "see what it does". all i have to do now is grab a sharpie, make the worst looking sign i can, and drive into the city.
post #63 of 128
Can we dump all of this talk about SIM cards. Steve said the card can be removed. The sim card is at the top of the iPhone next to the headphone jack.


So repeat after me:

THE iPHONE HAS A SIM CARD THAT CAN BE REMOVED!, repeat,
THE iPHONE HAS A SIM CARD THAT CAN BE REMOVED!, repeat,
THE iPHONE HAS A SIM CARD THAT CAN BE REMOVED!, repeat,
THE iPHONE HAS A SIM CARD THAT CAN BE REMOVED!, repeat,
THE iPHONE HAS A SIM CARD THAT CAN BE REMOVED!, repeat,
THE iPHONE HAS A SIM CARD THAT CAN BE REMOVED!, repeat,
THE iPHONE HAS A SIM CARD THAT CAN BE REMOVED!, repeat,
THE iPHONE HAS A SIM CARD THAT CAN BE REMOVED!, repeat,
THE iPHONE HAS A SIM CARD THAT CAN BE REMOVED!, repeat,
THE iPHONE HAS A SIM CARD THAT CAN BE REMOVED!, repeat,
THE iPHONE HAS A SIM CARD THAT CAN BE REMOVED!, repeat.


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Not exactly. GSM refers to the recnology used for the radio transmitter, if it uses that, it is a GSM phone. If the sim is "hardwired" then it isn't a sim, by definition.

So while it wouldn't meet all of the criteria of what a GSM phone must have, it would still be a GSM phone.
post #64 of 128
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Originally Posted by Timon View Post

Can we dump all of this talk about SIM cards. Steve said the card can be removed. The sim card is at the top of the iPhone next to the headphone jack.


So repeat after me:

THE iPHONE HAS A SIM CARD THAT CAN BE REMOVED!, repeat,
THE iPHONE HAS A SIM CARD THAT CAN BE REMOVED!, repeat,
THE iPHONE HAS A SIM CARD THAT CAN BE REMOVED!, repeat,
THE iPHONE HAS A SIM CARD THAT CAN BE REMOVED!, repeat,
THE iPHONE HAS A SIM CARD THAT CAN BE REMOVED!, repeat,
THE iPHONE HAS A SIM CARD THAT CAN BE REMOVED!, repeat,
THE iPHONE HAS A SIM CARD THAT CAN BE REMOVED!, repeat,
THE iPHONE HAS A SIM CARD THAT CAN BE REMOVED!, repeat,
THE iPHONE HAS A SIM CARD THAT CAN BE REMOVED!, repeat,
THE iPHONE HAS A SIM CARD THAT CAN BE REMOVED!, repeat,
THE iPHONE HAS A SIM CARD THAT CAN BE REMOVED!, repeat.

What does your post have to do with my reply to Dave?
post #65 of 128
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Originally Posted by CosmoNut View Post

I think you're mistaken. You can sync an unlimited number of iPods to one library. What you can't do is sync one iPod to more than one library.

You will be able to use an unlimited number of iPhones and iPods with one library.

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even songs bought from the itunes music store? i was thinking that this was not permitted on DRMed media
post #66 of 128
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

Not exactly. GSM refers to the tecnology used for the radio transmitter, if it uses that, it is a GSM phone. If the sim is "hardwired" then it isn't sim, by definition.

So while it wouldn't meet all of the criteria of what a GSM phone must have, it would still be a GSM phone.

GSM is a standard (more than just technology used for the radio transmitter) and as such I was under the impression that in order for your product to claim GSM as a feature you had to follow the standard. I can't imagine the cellular operators allowing devices that don't follow the standard exactly as it was approved. We're not talking about web browsers that CLAIM to support HTML when in reality is pale comparison only somewhat resembling the spec.

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One of the key features of GSM is the Subscriber Identity Module (SIM), commonly known as a SIM card. The SIM is a detachable smart card containing the user's subscription information and phonebook. This allows the user to retain his or her information after switching handsets.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subscriber_Identity_Module

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"The use of SIM cards is mandatory in the GSM world. The equivalent of a SIM in UMTS is called the Universal Integrated Circuit Card (UICC), whereas the Removable User Identity Module (RUIM) is more popular in CDMA phones."


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post #67 of 128
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Not legally. First Skype is a full application which you would somehow have to install around Apple's restrictions. Then if you read the plan disclaimers listed above: Prohibited III) says no VOIP allowed.

The legality of VOIP can't be helped, but a simple web app would be simple an robust enough to serve most needs.
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post #68 of 128
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GSM is a standard and as such I was under the impression that in order for your product to claim GSM as a feature you had to follow the standard. I can't imagine the cellular operators allowing devices that don't follow the standard exactly as it was approved. We're not talking about web browsers that CLAIM to support HTML when in reality is pale comparison only somewhat resembling the spec.

Unlike what Timon seems to think in his misguided response to my post to you, I'm not claiming that the iPhone does not have a sim. I'm well aware it does.

But, GSM is a method of encoding transmissions, and the particular frequencies used.

Phone manufacturers, and governmental agencies, in Europe got together to form a standard for the *phones* in Europe, and for the carriers using them.

But, GSM is GSM. It has nothing to do with all of that. CDMA has its equivalent, but it's not required here. A sim may be required here, but I've never been interested enough to find out. It's irrelevant to me.
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even songs bought from the itunes music store? i was thinking that this was not permitted on DRMed media

It is allowed. The license says that up to 5 computers and unlimited iPods are authorized to play iTunes DRMed tracks.
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The no VOIP thing can't be helped, but a simple web app would be simple an robust enough to serve most needs.

Now it supported Flash, we could do some fancy voice/video conferencing

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Not too bad. The 200 SMS isn't that good but unlimited data is great. I'm paying 75 bucks a month for 450 minutes and a data plan for 15.99. This is a pretty good deal. The deal is nothing to cheer about, nor is it nothing to jeer about.

I pay $35/month with T-Mobile and I have 99 text messages, 99 web page views, and 300 minutes of talk time. Beats the heck out of this deal, however, it reinforces the notion of the iPhone being a premium brand that will appeal to consumers without price sensitivity. Makes sense for the first round.

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But, GSM is a method of encoding transmissions, and the particular frequencies used.

GSM is much more than that...

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Phone manufacturers, and governmental agencies, in Europe got together to form a standard for the *phones* in Europe, and for the carriers using them. But, GSM is GSM. It has nothing to do with all of that.

This is incorrect...

GSM has EVERYTHING to do with that...

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The growth of cellular telephone systems started in the early 1980s, particularly in Europe. The lack of a technological standardization prompted the European Conference of Postal and Telecommunications Administrations (CEPT) to create the Groupe Spécial Mobile (GSM) in 1982 with the objective of developing a standard for a mobile telephone system that could be used across Europe.[4] In 1989, GSM responsibility was transferred to the European Telecommunications Standards Institute (ETSI), and phase I of the GSM specifications were published in 1990. The first GSM network was launched in 1991 by Radiolinja in Finland.[5] By the end of 1993, over a million subscribers were using GSM phone networks being operated by 70 carriers across 48 countries.[6]

And the SIM is part of that GSM Specification.

If you have a GSM device then it will have a SIM. It has to since it wouldn't be a GSM device if it didn't.

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Did anyone notice in the bottom of the listing of pricing for existing customer in grey it say activation and two year contract required to access all features INCLUDING IPOD. Does this mean that if you can buy an iPhone from someone who decides to cancel their contract or after their contract expires that you can't even use it as a PDA type device or iPod? This would basically leave you holding a brick even if you were to live out your contract and upgrade to a newer model in the future. Let's face it, the iPhone is going to be a pretty desirable PDA device even without cellphone service, especially given it's WiFi capabilities.
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GSM is much more than that...



This is incorrect...

GSM has EVERYTHING to do with that...



And the SIM is part of that GSM Specification.

If you have a GSM device then it will have a SIM. It has to since it wouldn't be a GSM device if it didn't.

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Ok, I see where our confusion is coming from.

Generally, GSM is referred to as a technology. It's also the overall standard.

It differs here in the US, because the European standard is not law here in the US as it is over there.

For example, GSM here uses different frequencies than used in Europe. That makes US "GSM" phones, not GSM phones in Europe. Get what I mean? They aren't compatible, therefore they don't meet the standard, but they are still GSM phones.

The similarity is the data transmission method that GSM uses both here, and there.

Any phone that uses GPRS is therefore considered to be a GSM phone.

Not having a sim card would fall under the same category.

If GSM is a standard that formalizes service across the countries of the EEC, then any phone that won't work within that standard, isn't a true GSM phone, if thats how you want to look at it.

Therefore, both ATT and T-Mobile aren't GSM operators at all, but some sort of hybrid, as they neither use the standard GSM frequency bands, nor require a sim in their phones (which doesn't mean that the phones may not have them).

See what I'm saying?
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i think the data plans are amazing, i am currently an at&t customer and i have a 450minute plan with 5000 night and weekend minutes for 39.99, i would have no problem to add on $20 bucks for the added functionality of the iphone, i dont use alot of minutes, so the $59.99 plan would be perfect for me, i am completely sold on all the iphone features, options, intergration, service plans, etc, etc, and have been eagerly anticipating this device for years, i want this phone more than anything in the world right now, but still find it difficult to drop 500-600 on this item, am i the only one who feels this way? i am torn on whether to take the plundge or to wait for the first price drop
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\\Let's face it, the iPhone is going to be a pretty desirable PDA device even without cellphone service, especially given it's WiFi capabilities.

i guess not according to the service agreement that will leave it non functional without at&t service
post #77 of 128
The data plans turned out a little lower than I thought (I expected around $99 for 900 min w/ unlimited data), so I'm pleasantly surprised.

It's still more for 900 minutes ($79) than I what I currently pay T-Mobile (1000 minutes with unlimited data for $69), but not that much more that it would stop me from potentially switching at at&t.

I'm now waiting to hear if it is SIM-locked to AT&T, or can be used on any GSM network...
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i am torn on whether to take the plundge or to wait for the first price drop

You'll be waiting for a long time. Nothing from the competition even comes close at this point.

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The activation video shows that you can add 1500 SMS msgs for $10/month and unlimited SMS for $20/month.

I was wondering is the sms like a text cost each time I send or a session.. like in Ichat..
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Still, the way it looks as it is printed now, two iPhones on the family plan save you $10 a month over two individual iPhones on two individual plans.

It should be noted, though, that based on my (possibly mistaken) reading of the chart, it looks like you only get 700 daytime minutes between two people, rather than 450x2 daytime minutes. On the other hand, you get unlimited night/weekend minutes.
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